[HN Gopher] Reasons Not to Use Google
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Reasons Not to Use Google
Author : mdwalters
Score : 43 points
Date : 2023-03-21 21:22 UTC (1 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (stallman.org)
| ftxbro wrote:
| I'm not defending Stallman, or Google for that matter, but it was
| last updated 2019.
| Soykaf wrote:
| Good ol' RMS
| alex_lav wrote:
| Surprised to find Stallman's content still showing up on this
| site. Surprised in a negative way.
| vlunkr wrote:
| It's pretty lame to assume that everyone has the exact same
| moral views as you. Most people would probably agree that he's
| said some highly questionable things, but what about the age-
| old question of separating the art from the artist? It seems
| that your position is to entirely cancel rms from history, but
| not everyone is going to agree. He's one of the most important
| figures in computing history, should we really just throw it
| all away regardless of any context?
| alex_lav wrote:
| > It's pretty lame to assume that everyone has the exact same
| moral views as you.
|
| What can I say, I categorically reject pedophilia and those
| that approve of it. A controversial opinion on this site,
| apparently. Which is, again, unfortunate.
| ergonaught wrote:
| Why be surprised?
|
| He had a point and a bunch of kneejerkers emoted everywhere.
| You appear interested in doing that, and so do the commenters,
| but that's hardly the only thing that happens on HN.
|
| Obviously.
|
| There are areas where his opinions probably come close to
| qualifying as facts, and he's relevant, so he'll continue to
| show up.
|
| If that's "problematic", I assure you that RMS is not the
| actual problem.
| [deleted]
| regularjack wrote:
| Why? Stallman has been an influential figure in open source
| software for decades, and this post seems to discuss topics
| many HNers care about.
| alex_lav wrote:
| Supports pedophilia.
| ergonaught wrote:
| Prove that RMS supports sexual intercourse with
| prepubescent children or stop breaking the law slandering
| the man.
| alex_lav wrote:
| 1. https://stallman.org/archives/2006-may-
| aug.html#05%20June%20...
|
| 2. Slander doesn't apply to directly citing a person's
| own content.
| margalabargala wrote:
| What you linked to:
|
| > Many years after posting this note, I had conversations
| with people who had been sexually abused as children and
| had suffered harmful effects. These conversations
| eventually convinced me that the practice is harmful and
| adults should not do it.
|
| The position you claim he holds, is the opposite of the
| opinion he holds.
|
| Do you believe that people should be judged based on the
| worst opinion they have ever held in their past, or based
| on the opinions they hold now?
| Toutouxc wrote:
| You can find some 100 % Stallmanesque, extremely pedantic and
| tone-deaf quotes from him on pedophilia and rape. Some people
| are understanding, some are not.
| alex_lav wrote:
| To be extremely pedantic would be to point out that he was
| condoning pedophilia, which is (again pedantically) defined
| as a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. So, to be
| direct, assuming he was being pedantic is actually worse.
| unity1001 wrote:
| Therefore, his contributions in the field of Open Source
| and software freedom are null and void, is it. Because,
| everyone has to be a prophet who we can take as a 'role
| model'.
|
| ...
|
| This obsession with making Jesuses out of everyone to
| follow as 'role models' in the US is really alien to those
| of us who live elsewhere in the world.
|
| Its amazing how you people did not 'cancel' literally
| every. single. prominent figure in near and distant
| history. All of them had something that would require
| canceling at this very moment - Washington had dentures
| made of slaves' teeth, Edison stole inventions and
| electrocuted elephants, Schweitzer believed that black
| people were inferior and so on.
|
| ...
|
| In this particular topic, what is defined as 'pedophilia'
| isnt even clear: Is it prepubescent children? Or is it an
| 16 year old sleeping with a 18 year old? Even as 16 is a
| legal age for marrying and joining the military and dying
| in almost everywhere around the world, including various
| European countries? Or are 25 year olds still 'children'
| like how some lunatics are trying to popularize?
| dangwhy wrote:
| i think he was cancelled at some point. don't remember any
| details though.
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| Someone published some anonymous blog post to get him
| cancelled.
| alex_lav wrote:
| Or you can simply consult his actual words, which condone
| pedophilia.
| ftxbro wrote:
| He said some bad stuff and got cancelled on twitter and fired
| from his own company.
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| I am not a defender of Stallman, but I think it's useful to link
| to this subsequent 2019 article about his supposed "changing of
| mind" about Epstein and pedophilia [0].
|
| [0]: https://futurism.com/the-byte/mit-scientist-stallman-
| pedophi...
| dima55 wrote:
| It's not useful. The article was about google.
| enriquto wrote:
| This is an interesting list of reasons. Even if it is long, I'd
| say it's still somewhat incomplete...
|
| I was motivated by this list to stop depending so much on google.
| But it's harder than it seems. For example, if you purchase a
| fastmail account, you still need a google account to install the
| app in your non-google phone, because fastmail only provides the
| apk files via the google play store. There's so many such
| "roadblocks" in de-googlification that you inevitably give up at
| some point.
| smnrg wrote:
| You can use the Aurora store and no account.
| enriquto wrote:
| Thanks! I'm going to try it! But how can you be sure that you
| are getting the real thing? Fastmail does not publish
| checksums of their apks. I asked their user support (which is
| otherwise excellent) if they could publish apks or at least
| the checksums, and they basically said "thanks for your
| suggestion".
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