[HN Gopher] Intel graphics chief Raja Koduri leaves after five y...
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Intel graphics chief Raja Koduri leaves after five years battling
Nvidia and AMD
Author : oumua_don17
Score : 40 points
Date : 2023-03-21 20:28 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| 29athrowaway wrote:
| I have heard Arc is unstable
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| I've been using it as a daily driver. Lots of rough edges,
| especially with older software, but it's relatively fine if
| you've comfortable with tweaking. I'd say I've had a
| significantly smoother experience with it than I did gaming on
| Linux five years ago. I'd probably be a lot more frustrated
| with it if it wasn't so inexpensive compared to NVidia's
| offerings.
| matt_daemon wrote:
| Seems like it might be a bad sign so many execs are leaving
| Intel.
| newaccount2023 wrote:
| its a GREAT sign - it means Gelsinger is serious about making
| progress and is willing to replace ineffective leaders
|
| I would be more concerned by the opposite - presuming to fix
| the company using the same people who were responsible for the
| decline
| Entinel wrote:
| This sounds like you are trying to gaslight yourself.
| Gelsinger did not get rid of an "ineffective leader." Koduri
| left to go do something else.
| throw_m239339 wrote:
| > its a GREAT sign - it means Gelsinger is serious about
| making progress and is willing to replace ineffective leaders
|
| Or it means they are giving up. If Intel recruited the best
| in the industry and still failed, it doesn't bode well for
| the future of GPU at Intel... the problem is Intel, not these
| people... the ineffective leader here might be Gelsinger
| themself...
| vkdelta wrote:
| He must be charming personality and great interviewer for people
| to lure him everywhere :)
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| In fairness, regardless of his actual competence, if you're a
| company looking to hire a VP with experience in shipping
| powerful GPUs for graphics and general compute, then your
| pickings are very slim in terms of candidates. The fingers one
| one had are probably enough to fill the list of candidates.
| outside1234 wrote:
| "battling" - what a failure Intel's graphics strategy has been
| m00x wrote:
| It's almost as if it's incredibly difficult to come out the
| gates with a competitive GPU.
| bsder wrote:
| It's really not that "difficult" to come out with a
| competitive GPU.
|
| However, it is really _expensive_. Even worse, from Intel 's
| point of view, that enormous expense is almost all in
| _software_ --which must be maintained for an extended amount
| of time and looks like a pure expense that will never be
| recouped.
|
| Even AMD is struggling with this.
|
| If Intel wanted to win this space, they needed to embed a
| bunch of staff in every major gaming company to make sure
| their engine runs well on the card.
|
| If Intel _really_ wanted to displace Nvidia, they needed to
| completely open the specs and fund every single academic ML
| /AI/Graphic research team for the next 10 years if they used
| Intel cards.
| worrycue wrote:
| IMHO the real target is the enterprise market - and no one
| really cares about the gaming market anymore; look at
| Nvidia and AMD, both pretty much gave the middle finger to
| gamers with their high prices.
|
| The cynic in me feel that Intel is targeting the gaming
| market now because they have no shot in the enterprise
| world and they need _someone_ to fund their GPU
| development. Still it's welcomed competition. Enjoy it
| while it last I guess.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| They gave NVIDIA and ARM many years of advantage. Now they
| are battling for their lives.
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| I take a very different impression. Is the latest Intel GPU the
| best in class? Nope, not even close. Does it show strong
| potential after so little time? Absolutely. While I have my
| grievances with Intel, I wish them nothing but success so we
| are not stuck with a two-party GPU monopoly.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| > Does it show strong potential after so little time?
| Absolutely.
|
| GamersNexus laughed them out of the room and said the drivers
| were unreliable, the software featureless, and performance
| was beyond underwhelming.
|
| As someone else pointed out: Intel has been in the GPU market
| for _nearly three decades._ They have a massive amount of in-
| house talent and fab ability.
|
| They're also arriving right as the market has collapsed -
| it's completely saturated and a huge amount of demand
| evaporated overnight. There's little to no market for current
| consumer or even workstation class GPUs in terms of "AI" -
| growth in that sector is almost entirely in datacenter-tier
| products, which Intel offers nothing for.
| worrycue wrote:
| Not from what I have seen. GN is pretty encouraging and
| frequently reports on Arc driver improvements.
| BrentOzar wrote:
| > Does it show strong potential after so little time?
|
| (Checks watch) Uh... Intel has been working on graphics for
| over _twenty-five years_. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_
| of_Intel_graphics_process...
|
| It seems like every 5 years, they say, "This is it, we're
| gonna be competitive this time," and ... they never are. Not
| even close.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| _> Intel has been working on graphics for over twenty-five
| years_
|
| Yeah but integrated graphics and dedicated desktop/server
| class GPUs for graphics, multimedia and general compute are
| two completely different beasts in terms of HW and SW.
|
| Qualcomm, ARM, Imagination also have been making GPU IPs
| since forever, but I doubt any of them can jump in the ring
| with Nvidia and AMD. Do you think they wouldn't like a
| piece of that lucrative market share? But they know that
| dislodging the Nvidia-AMD duopoly so late in the game is an
| exercise in futility.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| They're not "completely different beasts", and one area
| Intel fell flat on their faces with was drivers.
|
| A company that has been making GPU drivers for so long
| shouldn't be releasing the utter dumpster fire that was
| their discreet GPU drivers. Reviewers found features were
| missing, didn't work, or were horribly unreliable.
| asdff wrote:
| It wasn't much of a battle, as anyone who had been saddled with
| trying to run a game on their intel graphics has seen.
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| Arguably we haven't yet seen the final outcome of his efforts,
| given the time frame to release a new card, unless Intel gives
| up on it.
| throw_m239339 wrote:
| True. I have a cheap Ryzen laptop with no discrete GPU and I
| can play a lot of AAA games at 30FPS, do accelerated video
| encoding and even GPU raytracing. Intel APU are getting a bit
| better with the 11th generation, but Intel neglected the space
| for a decade... AMD earned its place while Intel survived off
| brand recognition for way too long.
| ParksNet wrote:
| Intel should scour Jensen Huang and Lisa Su's family tree to find
| more GPU Executives.
|
| (Jensen is the CEO and founder of Nvidia and the uncle of the CEO
| of AMD, both are from Taiwan.)
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| _> Jensen is the CEO and founder of Nvidia and the uncle of the
| CEO of AMD_
|
| IIRC this myth has been debunked. Jensen and Lisa are not
| related.
| ganoushoreilly wrote:
| I though it was more that Lisa Su's own grandfather is
| actually Jen-Hsun Huang's uncle or something. So related but
| not like it was published.
| mrb wrote:
| Indeed, that Su's grandfather would be Huang's uncle is the
| claim:
| https://www.techtimes.com/articles/253736/20201030/fact-
| chec... The source is this video:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovdss5CBrxU No idea if this
| was verified or debunked.
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