[HN Gopher] The Holocaust shouldn't be a catch-all metaphor for ...
___________________________________________________________________
The Holocaust shouldn't be a catch-all metaphor for hate
Author : webmaven
Score : 25 points
Date : 2023-03-18 15:55 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (theconversation.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (theconversation.com)
| Vecr wrote:
| I have showdead on, why can't I see fear_and_coffee's post?
| seattle_spring wrote:
| I'm pretty sure he just wrote "[dead]". Either way, based on
| his previous comment history, it's probably for the best.
| favaq wrote:
| These people are going to live off the holocaust forever.
| fear_and_coffee wrote:
| [dead]
| pfisherman wrote:
| The holocaust is not necessarily unique as an instance of ethnic
| cleansing or genocide. But it was unique in that it was the first
| instance of industrialized genocide, and was carried out with a
| degree of bureaucratic process and precision not often observed.
| Thus it generated a volume of documentation that gives unique
| insight into how humans might be capable of these sort of
| atrocities against their neighbors.
|
| Something similar exists for slavery (and Jim Crow) in the US,
| but we as a nation do not have the fortitude to confront our past
| in a way the Germans have.
| cultofmetatron wrote:
| It was the biggest genocide committed against white people in
| recent memory. people in general dont' care about what happens
| to black people (beligan congo, rwanada), cambodians (kumir
| ruge), or palestinians (witheld to avoid being downvotes to
| oblivion).
|
| closest thing we can get to a genocide/culturcide of a people
| currently that anyone in teh west cares about is the uighurs
| and thats mostly just a half hearted straw grasp to justify
| anti china sentiments.
| meany wrote:
| What do you think countries did differently in the
| 1930s-1940s to help Nazi victims that they're not doing for
| these other cases of genocide? I doubt the Allied countries
| would have done anymore to stop it then we do today, if they
| hadn't been forced into war by the Axis. Race has much less
| to do about the lack of action then the enormous cost of
| action. I think where race does play in is not just the
| ethnicity of the victims but also the ethnicity and perceived
| civility of the perpetrators, prior to the war. Germany was a
| liberal democracy that turned to unimaginable darkness. You
| don't see the same reaction to the Soviet Gulags, which
| killed more people, because the Soviets were already viewed
| as brutal.
| comfypotato wrote:
| This isn't correct. Your statement regarding gulag numbers
| being higher comes from Maier's report and is generally
| refuted. The death rates in the gulags were much lower than
| Maier reported. The gulags did contain many more prisoners
| than the holocaust camps. [1]
|
| The holocaust is the world's go-to genocide because it has
| by far the largest rate of death and has the highest total
| death count. It was also carried out by a relatively small
| country.
|
| [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/152781
|
| Sorry for the JSTOR paywall if you don't have access to an
| institution. Perhaps you can find it elsewhere. The first
| two tables compare the total deaths (and also deaths over
| time) between the holocaust and the gulags.
| evv555 wrote:
| >Something similar exists for slavery (and Jim Crow) in the US,
| but we as a nation do not have the fortitude to confront our
| past in a way the Germans have.
|
| Germans have no such fortitude. It was imposed on them through
| a victory that cost tens of millions of lives. Even then for
| many Germans its a surface level confrontation for the sake of
| political correctness.
| localplume wrote:
| [dead]
___________________________________________________________________
(page generated 2023-03-18 23:02 UTC)