[HN Gopher] Qatar bugged secret meeting between Swiss Attorney G...
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Qatar bugged secret meeting between Swiss Attorney General and FIFA
President
Author : geox
Score : 128 points
Date : 2023-03-12 17:47 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| Nobody cares. They have monay!!!
| system16 wrote:
| I've been really enjoying MLS since Apple launched their Season
| Pass. Sure, the skill level isn't what you'll find at the EPL or
| European league level, but it's nice to support football/soccer
| that isn't governed by overly corrupt organizations like FIFA and
| UEFA. There is also a lot less diving and dramatic acting which
| helps keep the pace exciting, and Apple's production is top
| notch.
| teerak wrote:
| How long are we going to keep filling their pockets and let them
| do whatever. Oil money already owns much of European soccer and
| now they started doing the same with golf. And we're just sitting
| here watching it happen.
| 14 wrote:
| It is 2023. You should pretty much assume you are on camera or
| being tracked some how unless you are taking steps to avoid that.
| If you want to talk about something criminal, assume your phone
| or computer is listening and don't talk beside them. There have
| been countless stories about client and lawyers being spied on
| and assuming anything otherwise is foolish if you have something
| to loose. Basically need to go stand in the ocean while the waves
| wash past you with your back to the shore so no once can read
| your lips and have a private conversation.
| palata wrote:
| Or you can be those rich and powerful assholes, get recorded
| and face no consequences at all. Sounds much easier.
| greatgib wrote:
| And now, in the world we live in, they know that they can do what
| they want and there will not be any consequence for them.
|
| Look, their neighbor killed and chopped a journalist in a foreign
| country, and except a few "offended letters" from some
| ambassadors, it is like forgotten.
|
| I really count the days until the middle east countries will run
| out of petrol or that we will not need that anymore!
| mertd wrote:
| Saudis have 200 years of oil left. Another scenario is oil
| becoming a minor source of global energy supply. The time
| horizon of both events is likely decades if not a century.
| erenyeager wrote:
| I mean US still has the torture chambers of Guantanamo bay, not
| to mention all the war crimes and "collateral" damage from the
| wars and "special operations" over the years. So really at
| least Saudis got backlash and had to absolve their king, US
| ignored the backlash and continues injustice. At least the Iraq
| and Afghanistan wars are over, but every day the US military
| apparatus gains blood on its hands, even if indirectly (I'm
| thinking specifically sanctions targeted at Afghanistan, among
| other unjust things the US supports).
| m9321 wrote:
| [flagged]
| recuter wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict.
| ..
|
| Millions of casualties in Syria and Yemen and so forth are
| entirely self contained to Arab countries and regimes.
|
| No shortage of atrocities performed by muslims on muslims in
| that part of the world, lets not be coy.
|
| The US for its part never took Iraqi oil. Once that stuff
| runs out not much will stand in the way of a massive increase
| in poverty and violence.
| eric-burel wrote:
| This is low quality commenting
|
| What's the point of involving Saudis in the discussion? Are you
| a renewable energy researcher, investor or at least hobbyist?
| Don't you think it's important that countries around the world,
| despite major differences of human development, keep trying to
| build relationship? It's important to point out unacceptable
| behavior from any country, this article is very great in this
| respect But such bland generalizations (your comment, not the
| article) are good for family dinner not for sharing on the web
| holoduke wrote:
| Unfortunately they probably also contain lots of lithium. Just
| recently in Iran second biggest reserve is found. And lithium
| is the new black gold.
| mr90210 wrote:
| Everybody is doing something that goes unpunished, just look
| closer.
| palata wrote:
| You misunderstood the parent. Not everybody can do whatever
| they want. But those guys kind if can.
| frereubu wrote:
| As to anyone with power caring, you're probably not far wrong,
| but it's not forgotten in the English Premier League, where one
| of the long-standing teams, Newcastle United, who've been
| playing in one form or another since 1892, were bought by the
| Saudi sovereign wealth fund:
| https://icdn.empireofthekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/S...
| Fans feel pretty powerless (and many Newcastle fans are
| dismayed too) but these protests are ongoing.
| markdown wrote:
| I mean, the US invaded two countries under false pretences and
| killed hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were
| disintegrated into dust, and instead of "offended letters" from
| some ambassadors, had many other countries show strong support.
|
| But it's the middle east countries that are a problem.
| recuter wrote:
| Yes sadly, it is in fact the middle east countries that are
| the problem. That's why they got invaded.
| dontlaugh wrote:
| The US-backed Middle Eastern countries can be a problem also.
| richwater wrote:
| Why we continually engage with the Middle East outside Israel is
| beyond me.
| recuter wrote:
| Realpolitik. Goes back to FDR. Reportedly he once said (in a
| different context): He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our
| son of a bitch.
|
| Disengaging or virtue signaling would be a mistake. The world
| is filled with unpalatable regimes that the US needs to handle
| somehow.
|
| Frankly, if we follow your attitude to its natural conclusion
| you'd disengage from most of South America, Asia, Africa, and
| Eastern Europe.
| vkou wrote:
| Is there any reason why we should engage with an apartheid
| state?
| avgcorrection wrote:
| Implying that Israel is neutral or good?
|
| Some people argue that Israel is an Apartheid state.[1] Why
| should "we"/you(plural) engage with that?
|
| [1] Chomsky argues that even _that_ is a compliment
| https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/03/chomsky-israel...
| [deleted]
| albertopv wrote:
| Oil and gas, what else?
| user070223 wrote:
| Suez canal, arms sales, preventive measures
| newyankee wrote:
| Being in Qatar Govt higher position is like finding interesting
| ways to throw money and do something fun at the expense of other
| countries/ groups/ people. Too much easy money and not many
| things to do to feed your own ego.
| boeingUH60 wrote:
| These middle eastern countries may be scum, but I have some
| admiration for them. At least, they achieved something with their
| oil resources and built wealth, unlike let's say, Venezuela and
| my country Nigeria that are so rich in resources yet poor in
| money, intellect and morals.
| ejanus wrote:
| I agree with you to some extent concerning Nigeria. But Nigeria
| oil reserve and output is not in the same league as Saudi. This
| is very fundamental. Another one is population. Nigeria is 9
| times more populated than Saudi.
| avgcorrection wrote:
| Venezuela is so useless. Won't even allow the US to coup them.
| ejanus wrote:
| How is that 'useless'?
| steponlego wrote:
| So? We knew they were doing all kinds of shady stuff long before
| the World Cup. Why did FIFA go ahead with the World Cup in Qatar
| if all this stuff was happening? An organization with actual
| balls would have called the whole thing off and banned the
| offending country from international football for 10 years.
| kreeben wrote:
| FIFA probably used to be about balls at some point in time. Now
| they're all 'bout tha moneh, after funeh, in a rich man's
| wierld.
| palata wrote:
| And supporters with actual balls would have boycotted the World
| Cup in Qatar.
|
| Turns out (almost) nobody gave a shit, it was business as
| usual.
| yborg wrote:
| Because FIFA is IOC-level corrupt? Any governing body of a
| high-value competition structure becomes corrupt to one level
| or another, a very small number of individuals can be bribed to
| obtain a desired outcome, and when the desired outcome is
| prestige the multiplier is almost infinite.
| markdown wrote:
| [flagged]
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