[HN Gopher] Mapping hidden corridors and chambers in the Great P...
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Mapping hidden corridors and chambers in the Great Pyramid of Giza
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 58 points
Date : 2023-03-02 23:43 UTC (23 hours ago)
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| jmclnx wrote:
| It is too bad Egypt does not try and restore the external layer
| the Pyramids had. From ancient text it said the Pyramids would
| glisten bright from the sun.
|
| IIRC, they had a smooth limestone covering that was bright white.
| jfengel wrote:
| I think "bright" is relative. There are plenty of limestone
| structures in the world, including some modern-built pyramids
| (of much less grand scale). Limestone is soft and porous and
| will never glisten the way marble does.
|
| It would have been very impressive, to be sure. But I don't
| think it's going to match the experience you have in mind.
|
| Since any such modern facing would completely hide all of the
| authentic material, you might as well just build a completely
| modern structure elsewhere. With modern building techniques it
| wouldn't take all that long.
| methodin wrote:
| That would actually be a pretty amazing thing to recreate the
| pyramids relatively close by as modern structures and
| replicate it so people could experience everything in it.
| saalweachter wrote:
| I've wondered if you could build a stone pyramid -- using
| modern machinery -- financed as a time capsule.
|
| For $X dollars, you can pay to have a cubic foot of stuff
| interred in the pyramid, for future historians to find. If
| a pyramid-sized pyramid can hold Y such lots, can you sell
| enough to pay for the construction?
|
| It doesn't have to be anywhere specific, just pick a spot
| that's relatively dry and has appropriate stone nearby. Run
| it as a tourist trap afterwards to pay for whatever ongoing
| costs are needed to keep people from disassembling it for
| raw materials.
| jfengel wrote:
| There's not really anything inside a pyramid. It's just a
| pile of rocks. There are a few chambers, but you don't need
| the entire pile of rocks for people to experience those.
|
| If you want to stand inside a big pyramid shape made of
| modern materials, you can go to Las Vegas. From inside it
| looks like any other building, though I suppose the rooms
| with the slanting windows are faintly neat.
| justinator wrote:
| _> It's just a pile of rocks_
|
| So the outer sides of the pyramid are these very precise
| steps with amazing accurancy, and it's just filled in
| (where there aren't chambers) with... piles of rocks?
| smallnix wrote:
| They are so old, even the damages are of historic value.
| hammock wrote:
| When I visited the pyramids, I was so blown away that they were
| stair-step - and decaying, since I have always seen depictions
| and imagined them to be smooth-sided. I had to learn that the
| outer layer was removed (pillaged?)
| detourdog wrote:
| They don't know what tools were used... or really much else.
| The pyramids and most ancient architecture is what you see is
| what you get. How or why can't be answered. Much less what the
| result looked like.
| moffkalast wrote:
| Because it's whole lot of effort to make the entire structure
| appear less authentic? The limestone being removed and used for
| other buildings around it is part of its history too. Makes
| most sense to just preserve it as-is as much as possible and
| stop it from deteriorating further.
| zelphirkalt wrote:
| Conservator restoring things to their original state take great
| pains and sometimes use the original methods. I imagine that to
| be infeasible for the pyramids. Doing it differently would be
| changing the original thing. On the other hand it could serve
| to protect what still remains of the pyramids.
| cbzbc wrote:
| And a gold capstone.
| xg15 wrote:
| I read the original article about the muon imaging project and
| remember being surprised that there is actually a scientific
| endeavour that involves exotic elementary particles, advanced
| physics, cosmic rays from deep space and ancient Egyptian
| pyramids and which was not thought up by the Stargate SG1
| writers.
| jhalderm wrote:
| The muon imaging idea originates with Luis Alvarez, who also
| flew on the mission that dropped the first atomic bomb,
| discovered what killed the dinosaurs, and won a Nobel Prize for
| contributions to particle physics. Truly the kind of mind that
| inspires science fiction.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Walter_Alvarez
| tedd4u wrote:
| This other article [1] currently on the front page actually has a
| large photo of the inside of the chamber. The Ars Technica
| article linked here sadly does not.
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35007448
| ericvsmith wrote:
| I don't think that picture is about the new chamber they're
| referencing in the article. Note the caption "showing _an_
| empty corridor " (emphasis mine).
|
| I was hoping to see a picture, too.
| mcphage wrote:
| From seeing links elsewhere on the internet, I believe the
| picture in this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-
| middle-east-64825526 _is_ the correct one.
| simple10 wrote:
| The UnchartedX YouTube channel [1] has excellent in-depth
| analysis of possible tools and construction methods used for
| ancient megalithic structures, including the Great Pyramid. He
| hasn't released a video yet of the new discovery, but he's talked
| about the possibility of this chamber before it was officially
| confirmed.
|
| I particularly like his video [2] on the scoop marks around a
| partially quarried obelisk, and how the evidence might point to
| the use of yet to be discovered machinery. Not crazy stuff like
| alien tech or electrical power tools, but advanced engineering.
| Perhaps some sort of circular saw or device on a crane.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/@UnchartedX
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| [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tnrkahCLHw
| peterfirefly wrote:
| UnchartedX is a kook channel. History for GRANITE and
| Scientists Against Myths are not.
| bell-cot wrote:
| Note: The clicky title says "secret hidden corridor". But the
| article uses phrases like "a void space shaped like a corridor".
|
| Why? Unused, dead-end void spaces were a regular feature of large
| pyramids. If you pile rocks into a huge pyramid, with only
| ancient Egyptian engineering tech, then the weight of the higher
| layers concentrates in random places lower down - cracking some
| of the lower layers. Any cracking or ceiling collapses in parts
| of the pyramid that the pharaoh cared about could be unhealthy
| for the lead engineers. Well-placed void spaces helped re-
| distribute the stress, minimizing that risk.
| schuyler2d wrote:
| This is nitpicking but it's good engineering practice even
| today.
|
| Similarly, we don't have evidence that suggests lead engineers
| would be killed or anything if there were engineering problems.
|
| My main point is just to deexoticize the work and work
| environment. They were engineers -- clearly good ones!
| q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote:
| > Similarly, we don't have evidence that suggests lead
| engineers would be killed or anything if there were
| engineering problems.
|
| Sure, but they might not get promoted to Senior Lead Engineer
| in their next Pharaoh Performance Review, which is almost as
| bad.
| pvaldes wrote:
| Or be fired, but with real fire.
| hadlock wrote:
| The Pantheon in rome has a giant 150' diameter, unsupported
| concrete dome. It uses some density "hacks" as well. Turns out
| the top third of the dome uses concrete that's about 50% pumice
| (lightweight volcanic rock) by volume. Like ancient foam. Both
| structures are ancient at this point but the Panthon is
| particularly impressive in that the unsupported dome survives
| in a highly seismic area.
| smoyer wrote:
| Where are the ancient alien proponents when you need them (they
| can tell you what and where these corridors without expensive
| equipment).
| enricotrudu wrote:
| Synthetic aperture radar doppler tomograpy of Giza pyramid paper
| (Prof. Malanga/ Prof. Biondi):
| https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.00811.pdf
| uno6180338 wrote:
| Paper: Synthetic aperture radar doppler tomograpy of Giza pyramid
| by prof.Malanga & prof.Biondi at
| https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/14/20/5231
| vanattab wrote:
| I have been hearing about this chamber for years? Do we not have
| the technology to drill a small hole to it and stick some kind of
| endoscope like robot in?
| snypher wrote:
| The article states it has been imaged by endoscope/borescope.
| Here's another source;
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| https://www.newscientist.com/article/2362300-hidden-corridor...
| bhaak wrote:
| I'm not sure it's the same chamber. It's certainly not any of
| the spaces that the Upuaut bots explored.
|
| You also seriously underestimate the political landscape about
| the archaeology of the Pyramids.
|
| As the article states, this space was discovered in 2016 and it
| took them until now to drill a small hole in it and explore it.
| Certainly not because of not having the technology back then.
| detourdog wrote:
| It's a smaller chamber under the chevrons in the sort of
| gaping hole one can see about a quarter way up. Not a larger
| void that is also imaged by muons.
| partiallypro wrote:
| I was coincidentally thinking about this last night, that I
| remember growing up there would be live television events based
| on Egyptian discoveries, etc on network television. They don't
| even really do that on History or Discovery now. I still remember
| some of those segments, one even sent a camera down a shaft on
| live TV and they ran into a wooden block or something similar and
| couldn't go any further. Those were the days.
| aaron695 wrote:
| > An engineer named E.P. George used them to make measurements of
| an Australian tunnel in the 1950s.
|
| Seems true, but no confirmation if worked at all -
|
| https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword=...
| jhallenworld wrote:
| A very nice youtube channel is History for Granite:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryforGRANITE/videos
|
| I've learned from this channel that there is 4500 year old wood
| is still in place in some of the pyramids. There has been carbon
| dating on it, and ash in the mortar.
| hummus_bae wrote:
| [dead]
| robmerki wrote:
| Thrilled to see some love for History for Granite. That and
| Ancient Architects are fantastic if you're a specific type of
| history nerd.
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