[HN Gopher] Video games for dogs aim to help aging canine brains
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       Video games for dogs aim to help aging canine brains
        
       Author : cpeterso
       Score  : 43 points
       Date   : 2023-02-26 18:27 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | evolve2k wrote:
       | > He notes that Joipaw's games are not meant to be a replacement
       | for spending time with your dog.
       | 
       | I read this as 'child'.
        
         | drekipus wrote:
         | Dogs have replaced children for most people.
        
           | SapporoChris wrote:
           | Sorry, this is wrong in multiple ways. People that own dogs
           | are a small percentage of any countries population. About 20%
           | in USA, far lower than the number of people that have
           | children. Additionally, cat ownership is higher quite a few
           | countries, certainly not all.
           | https://www.petsecure.com.au/pet-care/a-guide-to-
           | worldwide-p...
        
       | fourseventy wrote:
       | On some level this is in the same category as getting a
       | psychologist for your chickens.
        
       | ipsum2 wrote:
       | > run on a custom saliva-resistant touch-screen console
       | 
       | So a standard resistive touch screen?
        
         | blensor wrote:
         | Not sure about their product but resistive touch screens can
         | require quite a bit of pressure which is a separate step of
         | training the pet to overcome this.
         | 
         | Another product in that space was CleverPet, I backed that on
         | Kickstarter and our dog enjoyed it quite a lot but it also
         | required some pressure
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/tU5tMOIJfpo
        
         | extrememacaroni wrote:
         | should've called it a lick screen
        
           | KMag wrote:
           | Side note: when I was basically doing browser emulation in
           | Google's indexing pipeline 20 years ago, I ripped through a
           | billion of the 4 billion top web pages and counted HTML tag
           | attributes found in the wild, in order to prioritize
           | emulation efforts.
           | 
           | "onlick" was a surprisingly common misspelling of "onclick".
           | There must have been quite a few web developers wondering why
           | their click handlers weren't working, but I imagined them
           | furiously licking their screens, attempting to debug what was
           | wrong with their taste-o-vision enabled webpages.
        
             | ben_w wrote:
             | On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. Well, except
             | for the furries; I recognise at least one username here
             | from my IRC days.
             | 
             | I had a similar thing where I kept spelling things
             | "folating" pallets instead of "floating". I kinda miss the
             | days where floating pallets were a standard UI item.
        
             | 867-5309 wrote:
             | even worse if you have a tight font kerning that blends the
             | _c_ and the _l_..
        
       | ScipioAfricanuz wrote:
       | What determines whether a dog can understand screens? Mine don't,
       | yet i've seen videos of dogs watching tv shows
        
       | raydiatian wrote:
       | > saliva-resistant touch-screen console
       | 
       | Had me laughing out loud in public like a fucking jackass
        
       | ww520 wrote:
       | Here's a business idea. Create a robotic dog as a dog companion.
       | Large language models that can fool adult human can certainly
       | converse with dogs. Couple it with Boston Dynamic's dog robot and
       | you have workable version.
        
       | jacobgorm wrote:
       | Another company with a shipping product in this space;
       | https://go-dogo.com/
        
       | rapind wrote:
       | Honestly, just talk to your dog. I will talk to her like she's a
       | real person but with a slightly more exaggerated tone and she
       | loves it. I.e. "Did you sleep all day again!?"
        
         | ambientenv wrote:
         | Exactly this. Talk to them. At length. Take them out for walks
         | and runs. Let them explore and sniff and meet other dogs. Let
         | them chase a ball or a stick. Hide a treat and let them find
         | it. Cuddle them. Oh, but wait. That requires work and
         | involvement. Better to stick 'em in front of a screen, just
         | like we do with kids.
        
           | vasco wrote:
           | You can do both, HN of all places to find luddites is weird.
           | If there's something my doggo can do while I'm working that
           | just seems great.
        
             | cameronfraser wrote:
             | I think their response is motivated by virtue signaling
             | instead of being adverse to technology, but yeah I agree
             | you can do both.
        
       | sourcecodeplz wrote:
       | Meanwhile some people still don't have access to clean drinking
       | water.
        
         | aaron695 wrote:
         | [dead]
        
         | messe wrote:
         | Presumably, you're donating 100% of your own efforts to remedy
         | that? (With the occasional and understandable break to comment
         | on HN, of course)
        
         | serf wrote:
         | everyone else is replying with 'Yeah, and whatabou-you?!?' ,
         | which I think is non-constructive.
         | 
         | i'd just like to remind _everyone_ that when you see something
         | that represents an effort that you feel is trivial , it doesn
         | 't represent an opportunity to add effort elsewhere.
         | 
         | A thousand dog exercise machines won't fix world thirst. The
         | people that work on dog exercise machines aren't going to
         | suddenly divest all their effort from exercising dogs and throw
         | themselves into tackling world-thirst should their company
         | dissolve tomorrow.
         | 
         | 'World effort' isn't one big commoditizable sum.
        
         | xenospn wrote:
         | Assuming you're on your way to deliver them much-needed clean
         | drinking water while typing this comment?
        
         | favaq wrote:
         | They've had the same time we've had to build a system to
         | deliver clean water to themselves - if they haven't it's their
         | fault and they deserve what they have (or don't have).
        
           | dopidopHN wrote:
           | Ah yes. The << they should have work harder at school >>
           | argument.
           | 
           | I struggle with this one. People are not idiot, if water is
           | scarce, it's usually due to external factors.
           | 
           | Having grow up in a major colonial power, I sure benefits for
           | the extraction of resources that happened since the late
           | 17's.
           | 
           | On the receiving end, societies being reduce to mere shadows
           | of themselves by force does not exactly help.
           | 
           | Moreover, Some existing irrigation systems have been abandon
           | during colonial times for lack of workers. ( workers being
           | either diverted to slavery or other more lucrative endeavors
           | for the colonial power )
           | 
           | Finally, modern pollution is a thing.
           | 
           | Are the resident of Ohio responsible for their newly polluted
           | water?
           | 
           | Or the one of Jacksonville, Ms, they should have voted
           | differently to avoid flooding of their system?
           | 
           | Same for Flint, Mi. They had a working infrastructure.
           | Distributing water just fine. It was broken for years. Is it
           | their fault?
           | 
           | I struggle to see the benefit of finger pointing here, as
           | opposed to human empathy and << yep, that sucks >>
           | 
           | Finally, and the examples above were hitting at that :
           | drinking water is not a problem in country lacking propers
           | infrastructure anymore.
           | 
           | The list of US cities having issues is growing; and the
           | causes are diverse. From negligence to poor location ( haha;
           | Las Vegas )
           | 
           | My point : saying << they should have a infrastructure by now
           | >> is silly.
        
         | anigbrowl wrote:
         | True. But if you know a bit about programming and a lot about
         | dogs, that won't necessarily translate into being able to help
         | with infrastructure.
        
         | kwhitefoot wrote:
         | Are we to have no fun at all because people suffer elsewhere?
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | You make a fairer point than people realize. In 2023 we need
         | less 'dog video game' disruption and more impact. Trying to
         | commodify increasingly stupid things is a direct product of the
         | startup culture this site (and Twitter + the community at-
         | large) promotes.
         | 
         | This will look more embarassing than a professional history
         | with fushigi balls if you put it on your resume. It doesn't
         | matter if you're Joipaw-scale or DogTV.
        
           | swatcoder wrote:
           | Agreed. What we really need is a new payroll system with an
           | API that uses GraphQL instead of Rest.
           | 
           | But seriously: niche products always look uninteresting and
           | stupid to someone, and niche products trace all the way to
           | folk crafts. cottage industries, and open air markets. Making
           | video games for dogs is neither embarrassing nor a "product
           | of startup culture". It's just something somebody thought was
           | cool and put some time and money into. It's great.
        
           | int_19h wrote:
           | There's no "we". Different people need different things.
        
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       | b1c1jones wrote:
       | Time for smellovision.
        
       | qiller wrote:
       | All of my dogs pretty much ignored screens, with studies
       | suggesting reasons from the refresh rate to lacking smell and
       | tactile feedback - wonder if playing video games can be taught
        
         | mertd wrote:
         | As a scent hound owner, if something doesn't smell, it might as
         | well not exist. He also ignores mirrors. They live in a very
         | different sensory world. I wish I could experience his and he
         | could experience ours.
        
           | bitwize wrote:
           | Also a scent hound owner here, can confirm. For her, the
           | sniffer is The Source of Truth(tm). When I enter the house,
           | she comes up and gives me a thorough sniffdown, as if she
           | weren't confident in me being me until she confirmed that I
           | smell like me.
        
         | nyjah wrote:
         | Not mine. My rotty left a massive smudge on a 32 inch screen
         | when a lion crossed and she decided to attack or at least
         | investigate. Now I have a german shepherd and a much bigger
         | screen. She's not super into TV, but I'll catch her high
         | focused and attentive to the screen from time to time. Just
         | depends whats on.
         | 
         | Dogs are all different. That same rotty would chase flashlight.
         | And that same flashlight is invisible to my german shepherd.
         | Any toy or activity is going to vary dog to dog.
        
         | matwood wrote:
         | One of mine will see a dog on the tv and start growling. My
         | other two only respond to barking on the tv, then look around
         | like they are being punked.
        
         | joshu wrote:
         | my dog will ignore screens, usually, but if you pause it with a
         | person on the screen, she will EVENTUALLY (like 30 minutes
         | later) notice there is a person in the living room and start
         | growling. or maybe she just doesn't appreciate Jupiter
         | Ascending
        
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