[HN Gopher] Linux 6.2 and Apple Silicon clarification
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Linux 6.2 and Apple Silicon clarification
Author : jasoneckert
Score : 120 points
Date : 2023-02-26 17:16 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| quasisphere wrote:
| Just to make sure that people understand the clarification
| correctly: This is about upstreaming the work by Asahi Linux
| team. In particular, Linux on Apple Silicon macs is quite usable
| already if you use their own Arch-based distribution which
| includes yet-to-be-upstreamed patches. I run it on my M1 Air and
| the only major (to me) things with no support yet are the builtin
| speakers (afaik support is coming soon) and the webcam.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| on my m2 power levels and sleep don't work right : if i close
| the lid, it heats up and smells like model airplane glue, and
| that's super annoying. if i leave the lid open, or just power
| down, it's fine.
| Gigachad wrote:
| They don't have support for putting the cpu to sleep yet. A
| recent update switches it to its lowest frequency when the
| lid is closed but it's still not off like with macOS. It
| sounds like they are pretty close to having it sorted though.
| jasoneckert wrote:
| Ditto here - I run Asahi on my Mac Studio, and all features I
| require work perfectly (HDMI, GPU driver, Bluetooth, sound, 10G
| networking, WiFi, etc.):
| http://triosdevelopers.com/jason.eckert/stuff/AsahiSwayM1Ult...
| nilsbunger wrote:
| Funny that they didn't mention it! Seems like an obvious thing
| for them to plug their own distribution.
| zamadatix wrote:
| They tend to be very cautious about advertising it as usable
| vs in testing itself. E.g. GPU acceleration is an opt in to
| the edge packages of Asahi, which they consider at alpha
| stage itself. Even with that approach there is still a
| surprising number of users that join IRC confused it's not
| further along, largely because there is a huge variance in
| what one considers usable.
| mikae1 wrote:
| Regarding the speakers:
| https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109917995005981968
| Gys wrote:
| Does support for the M1 automatically mean support for the M2 as
| well?
| dagmx wrote:
| It depends what you're talking about specifically. There are
| differences in how input devices are handled etc... and there
| may be other component differences.
|
| So in that sense it's the same as Linux on any other arch.
| It'll support the arch but support for other pieces may vary.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| Asahi supports M2, but I don't think there's a clear patch
| parity in both for what's been merged upstream.
| Gigachad wrote:
| It does look like they had to do extra work for the M2 so it
| wasn't just a for free feature.
| skrrtww wrote:
| Interested to see how the page size issues are worked out. Coming
| down on one side or the other seems detrimental. I've watched
| some of marcan/lina's work on GPU stuff, but I haven't heard
| their vision for resolving those issues yet.
| cf100clunk wrote:
| From the tweet: ''There is an ongoing news cycle about Linux 6.2
| being the first kernel to support the M1, started by @ZDNET. This
| article is misleading and borderline false. You will not be able
| to run Ubuntu nor any other standard distro with 6.2 on any M1
| Mac. Please don't get your hopes up.''
|
| The ZDNet article at the core of the controversy:
|
| https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-6-2-the-first-mainstream...
|
| SVN getting overenthusiastic, it would seem.
| jiripospisil wrote:
| Could anybody provide more context about the issue regarding the
| page size?
| jasoneckert wrote:
| Check out the IOMMU section here:
| https://asahilinux.org/2021/10/progress-report-september-202...
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I can see why people will end up disappointed by the way this is
| being reported. Support for a machine in a kernel means the thing
| boots without crashing if you pick the right configuration. You
| can probably get to a bash shell in Debian with the upstream
| kernel if you get the build script. For non-x64 devices, building
| a kernel that works and boots can be a disappointingly tricky
| experience.
|
| ZDNet should know that a vast amount of people think "Ubuntu" or
| maybe "Debian" when they hear Linux being mentioned, because
| there are no common desktop operating systems where the kernel
| and the thing you're actually using are entirely separate things
| managed bg separate entities. You can't add macOS to the Windows
| kernel or use the Windows 7 desktop on a Windows 11 kernel (as
| much as I'd wish that to be possible), it's just not a concept
| most people, even Linux users, can easily wrap their head around.
|
| This is still great news for people who buy M2 machines for use
| as a server, because you don't need Bluetooth/WiFi/keyboard/touch
| pad support for that. I doubt many people will use their
| expensive Macbook as a NAS that way, though.
| brundolf wrote:
| > I doubt many people will use their expensive Macbook as a NAS
| that way, though
|
| Maybe a Mac Mini though. Could be an interesting server option
| in the long run, the AS ones are a pretty decent bang for the
| buck
| jeroenhd wrote:
| That's true. You'd probably still need at least ethernet
| and/or thunderbolt acceleration for that use case. And to be
| honest, not using the GPU/ML hardware would be a waste of
| expensive hardware in my opinion.
|
| I'd go for a high end NUC over a Mac mini, but if energy
| efficiency is important for your use case then Mac Mini is
| definitely something to consider.
| Kon-Peki wrote:
| Asking for a friend...
|
| If you wanted to use a Mac mini as a NAS, what would you use
| for the disks? Is there a decent Thunderbolt/USB disk chassis
| that would work well, use very little electricity, and make
| no noise? IE, be a perfect pair for a Mac mini?
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