[HN Gopher] My Friend, Stalin's Daughter (2014)
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       My Friend, Stalin's Daughter (2014)
        
       Author : samdung
       Score  : 102 points
       Date   : 2023-02-25 14:38 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | ClapperHeid wrote:
       | [flagged]
        
         | pabs3 wrote:
         | Works without JS/CSS/cookies. Also try the paywall bypass
         | plugin.
         | 
         | https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean
        
         | blowski wrote:
         | HN FAQs:
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         | > It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have
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         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989
         | 
         | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=paywalls%20by:dang&dateRange=a...
        
         | LinuxBender wrote:
         | Here is an archive of it from 3 years ago. [1] Unsure if it's
         | still up to date.
         | 
         | [1] - https://archive.ph/NIArx
        
         | therealdrag0 wrote:
         | Writers need paid. Do you prefer paywalls or ads? There doesn't
         | seem to be consensus ;)
        
           | avhception wrote:
           | If there was a simple "pay 10c to read" button, I'd click
           | that. If there was a subscription that I could have that
           | would give me ad-free access to all the random news articles
           | that get shared with me, I'd buy that (at a reasonable price,
           | that is).
           | 
           | But there isn't. Subscribing to 283894 newspapers isn't an
           | option. Dear Newspapers, please accept the new reality. The
           | days of people subscribing to exactly one newspaper died with
           | the paper editions. Stop blaming your failure to offer a
           | reasonable product on "Internet freeloaders".
        
             | usrusr wrote:
             | Exactly my thoughts, going back to the paper-age pattern of
             | reading only that one publication or two that you subscribe
             | to isn't a customer experience that feels like money well
             | spent now that we have been spoilt by two decades of
             | everything available via ads.
             | 
             | We absolutely _should_ find a way of returning to paying
             | about as much of our income for news as we did before (and
             | not indirectly via ads), but those big fat one-publication
             | subscriptions aren 't the way. Even less when they get
             | peddled with that "first 3 months only x" lure that's
             | essentially a promise that they'll make unsubscribe harder
             | than a fitness studio.
             | 
             | What I'd love to see instead isn't a "Spotify for news"
             | (with all the power imbalance that would come with that)
             | but a "federated subscription" where being a subscriber at
             | your "home publication" would give you some form of guest
             | access at "cooperating competitors", with a fixed part of
             | the fee passed on based on tracked cross-publication usage.
             | The organization running the thing would ideally be a non-
             | profit cooperative, enforcing uniform rules about what
             | exactly would be included in "guest access" (perhaps 24h
             | latency + ads?). The biggest issue I see with this would be
             | that it would kind of rule out pricing competition, but we
             | already see a very limited amount of price variation
             | amongst consumer online subscriptions anyways. (for some
             | reason they are almost universally just marginally lower or
             | higher than "one Netflix", no matter what's offered).
        
               | ClapperHeid wrote:
               | >Writers need paid...
               | 
               | The thing is that so little of what you read in various
               | online news sources was actually "written" by reporters
               | in the classical sense of the man in the beige raincoat
               | with a "Press" ticket in his hat-band, frntically
               | scribbling shorthand in a notebook, before phoning in his
               | story.
               | 
               | The vast, vast majority of news articles concerning
               | national and international news are pretty much
               | copy/pasted from news agencies like Reuters [0] or AP [1]
               | 
               | [0] https://www.reuters.com/
               | 
               | [1] https://www.ap.org/en/
               | 
               | So, yes, writers deserve to get paid. And, through news
               | agency licensing fees, the original writers of such
               | articles are. But how much does the person who bascially
               | copy/pastes that into another site deserve to get paid?
               | 
               | Ironically, where the stereotype reporter, actually
               | writing original content [that I portrayed above] does
               | still exist, it tends to be in very local news gathering
               | where the likes of a news agency has no interest. For
               | example; your local village flower show, or the traffic
               | congestion on the high street. And yet those very local
               | news outlets are almost exclusively non-paywalled.
        
               | usrusr wrote:
               | And those seem to be the ones struggling the hardest with
               | ad-funding, at least that's what my sample suggests: full
               | of bottom-level outbrain-level shit because their
               | "natural" ad market (local stuff) is all gobbled up by
               | map platforms (well, usually exactly one map platform)
               | and the occasional "still advertises on Facebook". If
               | being a subscriber to the local publication would take
               | care of transparent microtransaction guest access to most
               | of the stuff you find linked I the wide web it would be a
               | no-brainer to subscribe.
        
             | therealdrag0 wrote:
             | I sympathize with that. Reminds me of Braves "attention
             | token" wasn't it trying to solve a similar problem in a
             | similar way as you suggest?
        
         | _emacsomancer_ wrote:
         | There's a useful Grease-/Fire-/Tamper-/Violent-Monkey
         | userscript for HN marking paywalled articles and providing
         | alternate sources:
         | https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/452024-hacker-news-anti-pa...
        
           | ClapperHeid wrote:
           | Thanks. A helpful response, instead of the just pointing out
           | that paywalls are allowed!
        
           | ornornor wrote:
           | Thanks
        
         | jonstewart wrote:
         | A New Yorker subscription is well worth your money. Their own
         | app is kind of crappy but you can also get it through the
         | Kindle app.
        
       | chasil wrote:
       | She was very lonely as her life went on, and longed for her
       | homeland.
       | 
       | This much I know about Svetlana, many who bear that name.
        
         | thriftwy wrote:
         | I don't believe that family had any kind of homeland.
         | 
         | What king of homeland feeling can you have if you only ever
         | live in guarded mansions?
        
         | chasil wrote:
         | There was a story about Ayn Rand's sister.
         | 
         | She came to visit in New York, and was bewildered by the vast
         | array of toothpaste in a local grocery store.
         | 
         | She was so accustomed to shortages, and expected queues, that
         | she could not accept the immediacy and availability of commerce
         | in the U.S.
         | 
         | She did not stay long.
        
           | jjtheblunt wrote:
           | I'm born in the United States and had a Russian girlfriend
           | for a year+ in grad school: same thing, went to modern
           | supermarket and she was freaked out with choices overload. I
           | understood when she described it, but it was something i had
           | tuned out unknowingly since being a little kid.
        
           | rasz wrote:
           | There seems to be a common theme to those. When Ceausescu
           | visited NY he and his stupid wife (huge scientific fraud
           | story on its own, including lot of reputable western
           | universities going along with it) were sure Macy was just a
           | show stocked specifically for them. I seem to remember him
           | reacting by ordering to open a store just for show to western
           | dignitaries/press.
           | 
           | https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/22/archives/ceausescu-
           | gets-9...
           | 
           | https://paperpile.com/blog/elena-ceausescu-scientist-fraud/
           | 
           | Similar story with Yeltsin visit to a small local grocery
           | mart in Texas in 1989.
        
             | euroderf wrote:
             | I've read a longer story that that grocery visit gave
             | Yeltsin quite a eureka moment.
        
               | bee_rider wrote:
               | He'd been shifting in the direction of liberal reform for
               | a while. I'm sure he was happy to (over)emphasize the
               | degree to which he was shocked.
               | 
               | Not to cast doubt on his overall goal there, liberal
               | economics clearly are pretty dang effective!
        
           | Prbeek wrote:
           | People who conquered space but running an economy was where
           | they drew the line.
        
       | cm2187 wrote:
       | On Stalin, I recommend the HBO movie "Stalin" with a Robert
       | Duvall playing a very realistic Stalin. The movie also covers his
       | tortuous relationship with his daughter.
       | 
       | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105462/
        
         | narrator wrote:
         | Montefiore's "Young Stalin" which covers his life from birth to
         | the revolution is a wild book. I like Montefiore because he has
         | a real respect for the maniac genius and energy of the guy.
         | What kind of person does it take to overthrow a whole society?
         | 
         | "Court of the Red Tzar" is less fun and more of a portrait of
         | him using his enormous capacity to work and execute to
         | relentlessly grind out his plans to take over the world in the
         | name of Marxism/Leninism and absolutely steamrolling over
         | anyone or anything in the most brutal way possible that got in
         | his way.
         | 
         | One of the things that people miss about Stalin is that more
         | than any leader in the past centuries, he wasn't a puppet for a
         | shadowy cabal, or a front man for someone else, he was fully
         | totally in charge and running the whole thing totally
         | outmaneuvering Trotsky and anyone else who would attempt to
         | grab power away from him. He could do this because he had a
         | legendary memory for people and their personalities. He was
         | able to take over the government by remembering thousands of
         | people who he considered loyal to him and placing them in key
         | posts throughout the government after he was appointed party
         | secretary. There have been very few leaders with that sort of
         | raw cognitive capability.
        
           | akomtu wrote:
           | Stalin's cognitive ability was dismal. His strength was his
           | ability to connect with the infernal side of human nature.
           | This made him an adept manipulator, this gave him the unusual
           | energy spikes after such "connections" and this gave him a
           | depressing aura that bent people's will. The price for such
           | abilities is being a "puppet of the shadowy cabal", using
           | your metaphor.
        
             | narrator wrote:
             | Who controlled him? Absolutely nobody. He had anyone who
             | attempted to executed.
             | 
             | He was a maniac for sure, and a total jerk, but a brilliant
             | one. In "Court of the Red Tzar" after he achieves all his
             | narcissistic glory by winning world war II he starts
             | torturing his inner circle making them drink to the point
             | of passing out on a regular basis trying to find any flaws
             | in their loyalty.
             | 
             | The real hero of that book is Anastas Mikoyan. The guy
             | survives Lenin, Stalin and even Khrushchev and Brezhnev
             | kept him around. He keeps his dignity, plays a key role in
             | defeating fascism and his brother ran a damned good
             | aircraft design bureau the whole way through.
        
         | rasz wrote:
         | The Death of Stalin (2017) is great, and wont bore younger
         | audience.
        
           | cm2187 wrote:
           | Agree, but highly unrealistic (and barely covers Stalin).
        
             | IngvarLynn wrote:
             | The whole point of the movie is to show that part of soviet
             | union that is not covered by historical facts. So most of
             | it is a fiction but a very realistic one and intentionally
             | so.
        
             | vlabakje90 wrote:
             | It's obviously very unrealistic, but I read Robert
             | Service's biography about Stalin and it's interesting to
             | see how many details in the movie are inspired by real
             | events. I recommend the biography by the way, it's
             | engrossing.
        
               | cm2187 wrote:
               | And also Iannucci managed to make a comedy while
               | addressing the horror and brutality of his regime which I
               | didn't think was possible (though there was also
               | Benigni's Life is Beautiful). It's a comedy with an
               | execution every 10 minutes.
               | 
               | The last season of the Revolutions podcast from Mike
               | Duncan, mostly focuses on the Lenin era but does cover
               | the ruthlessness of Stalin from way before he got even
               | close to power, all the way to his accession to power.
        
       | lapama wrote:
       | Just asking: is there a possibility that this could be a cold-war
       | era PR story? I ask because I feel it is all totally perfect.
        
       | zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
       | Her daughter https://nypost.com/2016/03/17/stalin-granddaughter-
       | is-an-all...
        
         | the_omegist wrote:
         | ...living the American Dream...
        
           | ozim wrote:
           | Isn't it point of American dream that anyone can make it?
        
             | hn_version_0023 wrote:
             | _That 's why the call it the American Dream. Because you
             | have to be asleep to believe it._ -- G. Carlin
        
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       | Kokouane wrote:
       | I actually live near that small town of 1600 people she resided
       | in. I assure you that most locals do not know she lived here for
       | most of her life.
        
         | lapama wrote:
         | Another clue that indicates that it all could be just cold War
         | PR.
        
       | ido wrote:
       | Thanks for linking this article, what an incredible read.
        
       | orgels_revenge wrote:
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         | boppo1 wrote:
         | Sounds more like he was a typical human dad with affection for
         | his daughter. I've seen some pretty dangerous military guys
         | behave like goofy golden retrievers in front of their daughters
         | during playtime. Because, you know, kids like that.
        
         | adzm wrote:
         | That's a pretty ridiculous blanket statement.
        
         | chmod600 wrote:
         | What other evidence supports that theory? Are there
         | counterexamples?
        
           | orgels_revenge wrote:
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             | 10u152 wrote:
             | So this is just a pet theory of yours?
        
             | duggan wrote:
             | Then perhaps consider keeping your weird sexist fantasies
             | to yourself.
        
             | hutzlibu wrote:
             | Facts would be enough. There are plenty of dictators and
             | there are plenty of stories of them around, from their
             | mistresses. So sure in some cases influence definitely
             | happened, but nothing to my knowledge support the idea,
             | that the evil in the dictators comes all from women.
        
       | trissylegs wrote:
       | Theres a podcast on iHeartRadio called Svetlana! Sventlana!
       | 
       | I haven't listened to it yet. But I have heard the Ad too many
       | times. (Outside the US podcast ads are mostly for other podcasts)
       | 
       | https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-svetlana-svetlana-107693...
        
         | andrew_mason1 wrote:
         | > (Outside the US podcast ads are mostly for other podcasts)
         | 
         | You're not missing out much these days; most ads in the US are
         | for other podcasts now, too.
        
           | mathattack wrote:
           | Or for Athletic Greens. :-)
        
       | neonate wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/NIArx
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | What an incredibly interesting read. I'm gonna have to read more
       | about Wright's widow, who seems ... curious. And I'm not sure
       | what to take away from this other than what a dynamic and
       | complicated life. I can't imagine being married so much and
       | abandoning children or a tattle tale sibling causing a partner to
       | be sent off to a prison camp. She seems more complicated than her
       | own family and never seemed to find a purpose or peace, captured
       | by her own idiosyncrasies and the politics of her life which she
       | hated so much for people to bring to her attention but what
       | herself could not stop thinking about.
       | 
       | I wish the article had pictures, and I found the author a bit
       | cold. When he reduced his frequency of writing, because he had
       | finished his book and gotten what he needed, this seemed a bit
       | distant.
        
         | kranke155 wrote:
         | The book about her life is heartbreaking. It's clear she was
         | extremely traumatized and also could hardly deal with her
         | father's crimes both to the country and to her family. She was
         | in a way a victim but also a troubled person. A fascinating
         | crazy life.
        
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