[HN Gopher] Ask HN: What do you call technical debt, but for you...
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       Ask HN: What do you call technical debt, but for your career?
        
       How do you overcome it?
        
       Author : asasidh
       Score  : 10 points
       Date   : 2023-02-25 19:27 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
       | surprisetalk wrote:
       | _> How do you overcome it?_
       | 
       | What an interesting way to frame it.
       | 
       | Debt is not something to "overcome". Debt is generally a tool to
       | trade time for value. If you're accruing career debt, it should
       | hopefully pay dividends. This is what people call "career
       | capital".
       | 
       | Hard work does not automatically generate career capital. You
       | have to be hard-working and/or smart and/or charismatic and/or
       | lucky.
       | 
       | The only honest way to make money is _to convince others to give
       | you money_. My personal advice is to (1) learn what people want
       | and (2) hone your ability to create useful goods and services.
       | 
       | [1] https://taylor.town/make-money
       | 
       | I highly recommend reading So Good They Can't Ignore You for more
       | perspectives on building career capital.
       | 
       | [2] https://www.amazon.com/Good-They-Cant-Ignore-
       | You/dp/03494158...
       | 
       | Also consider reading How to Win Friends and Influence People for
       | guidance on how to create charisma.
       | 
       | [3] https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-
       | People/dp/0...
        
       | iamflimflam1 wrote:
       | I guess a couple of examples of this could be:
       | 
       | Having experience in some tech stack or industry that is no
       | longer relevant but makes up a large part of your CV.
       | 
       | Having some role (eg support or QA) on your CV that unfairly
       | makes it seem like you are not as technical as other people.
       | 
       | Being stuck in the same role for a long time with no progression
       | - limiting then seniority of roles you can apply for.
       | 
       | Being in an industry and getting pigeon holed - eg crypto,
       | finance, insurance. Hard to get into a different industry as
       | people will perceive you to be a certain type of developer.
       | 
       | Not sure what it would be called - I guess "career limiting
       | choices".
        
         | warrenm wrote:
         | re: "Having experience in some tech stack or industry that is
         | no longer relevant but makes up a large part of your CV"
         | 
         | I "solved" this for myself (switched from PS on a particular
         | product line to an entirely different realm of PS about 6y ago)
         | by formatting my [currently 4-page] resume thusly
         | 
         | First page:
         | 
         | - Summary
         | 
         | - Recent Experience (show experience since my switch)
         | 
         | - Featured Articles
         | 
         | - Proficiencies
         | 
         | - Certifications/Accreditations Held
         | 
         | Second page:
         | 
         | - Featured Speaking Experience
         | 
         | - Education
         | 
         | - Previous Career History (with less detail going back through
         | my career history)
        
         | channel_t wrote:
         | In recent years I have definitely found my career history as
         | technical tester to be a bit of a wart on my CV. Having
         | originally come from scrappy fast-moving companies where the
         | line between Dev/QA and even Ops to some degree get blurry,
         | it's been a little bit of culture shock find that in many
         | companies such roles are expected to operate in less-technical
         | silos, and where even trying to have important technical
         | discussions outside of the silo are often met with skepticism
         | at best or outright dismissal at worst. I have also seen a
         | strong trend towards outsourcing this kind of work, often
         | further intensifying the silos. My awareness of this whole
         | implicit sort of caste system has made me want to give up on my
         | career in testing altogether and just try to climb the hill of
         | selling myself as a traditional software engineer instead, even
         | if testing/testability/test infra are still my passion and area
         | of expertise.
         | 
         | It's a tough call to make because I'm opinionated enough about
         | how testing should be done that I also don't want to end up
         | working as a software engineer in a company that treats QA like
         | drones either.
        
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       | dgunay wrote:
       | A decent example from my own career (if we're going with the
       | "debt as short-term gain, long-term loss" metaphor): I spent 3
       | years at a DoD consulting firm for my second job.
       | 
       | The pros:
       | 
       | - Boost in pay ($40k -> $85k a year)
       | 
       | - Boost in my credibility and resume (I had no STEM degree)
       | 
       | - More professional development resources (I was able to do a
       | master's while working and got to witness a lot of engineering
       | in-the-large)
       | 
       | The cons (at least in my mind, since I can't be sure what I would
       | have done elsewhere):
       | 
       | - A lot of the stuff I did there is unmarketable. No one is
       | writing new code in Perl. And static analysis, while technically
       | very interesting, is not a ginormous market.
       | 
       | - I feel "behind" in the world of cloud computing since I didn't
       | do much of it while I was there. Most of my next steps look like
       | places that demand a lot of skill building big systems in the
       | cloud. I'm doing it a lot right now but I feel like my team and I
       | are learning a lot of lessons the hard way.
       | 
       | - If I had succeeded in moonshotting my way into a top tier tech
       | company earlier, I would have earned enough capital to take
       | advantage of a couple critical periods (cheaper housing, various
       | opportunities in the stock market, etc)
        
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       | mooreds wrote:
       | I've heard this called "10 years of work doing the same year 10
       | times", but I don't know a catchy word or phrase. Maybe the
       | Germans among us have a word?
       | 
       | > How do you overcome it?
       | 
       | How do you overcome technical debt in a project?
       | 
       | * identify it
       | 
       | * prioritize the issues; you can't tackle them all at once
       | 
       | * work on one issue at a time over time
        
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