[HN Gopher] Is this painting a Raphael or not?
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       Is this painting a Raphael or not?
        
       Author : prismatic
       Score  : 23 points
       Date   : 2023-02-21 00:57 UTC (22 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.wsj.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.wsj.com)
        
       | joosters wrote:
       | Whoever painted the work, the picture is clearly too ugly to
       | bother including a decent photo of it in the article. No-one
       | cares what it looks like, and everyone cares about what name they
       | can attach to it.
       | 
       | [edit: I might be too harsh, I'm reading through the archive.ph
       | link and maybe that is dropping some of the images?]
        
         | jwilk wrote:
         | The archived copy is indeed missing most of the images.
         | 
         | Direct links to images from the original article:
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-687788
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-725753
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-725755
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-719540
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-719542
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-721673
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-719532
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-719537
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         | https://images.wsj.net/im-722308
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | bretpiatt wrote:
         | Here's another source with better quality image, WSJ did fancy
         | stuff putting it in the vault which doesn't give you a great
         | look at the artwork itself.
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         | https://news.artnet.com/art-world/a-cabinetmaker-spent-30-ye...
        
           | ksherlock wrote:
           | That's how it looks today but this:
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           | https://images.wsj.net/im-687788
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           | is how it looked 30 years ago. With this or Salvator Mundi,
           | it seems like a Ship of Theseus to me.
        
       | yamtaddle wrote:
       | AI fine art forgery detection is the way a certain important
       | character in Horizon: Forbidden West made her initial reputation
       | and fortune.
        
       | neonate wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/WZZtL
        
       | pavlov wrote:
       | Relying too much on ML models seems risky. If an AI model is
       | established as authoritative in the field, a forger who gets
       | access to the model data could create adversarial fakes that look
       | absolutely genuine to the AI. Bribe the right person and nobody
       | knows that the ML data has leaked, so the fake's credibility
       | isn't easily challenged.
        
       | kinderdemon wrote:
       | This is so not a Raphael it is painful. Raphael was particularly
       | known for his convincingly realistic babies (and for breaking
       | with the tradition of making the child Christ look like a tiny,
       | dignified adult). These babies look nothing like Raphael's babies
       | in any of his many Madonnas, and are expressly tiny dignified
       | adults.
        
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