[HN Gopher] Anaximander and the Nature of Science
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Anaximander and the Nature of Science
Author : diodorus
Score : 35 points
Date : 2023-02-20 20:06 UTC (1 days ago)
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| fidrelity wrote:
| Helgoland by Rovelli is probably my all-time favourite book. I
| have recently finished 'The beginning of infinity' by David
| Deutsch (another bestseller), another quantum physicist and was
| deeply disappointed.
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| While Rovelli seems curious to me Deutsch seems certain about his
| conclusions. Did anyone have the same experience with those two
| authors that are seemingly talking about the same topics and are
| to some degree saying the same thing?
| dotsam wrote:
| Deutsch is not certain that his conclusions are true. But he
| does know that he has reached them in the best way: by making
| explanations that are hard to vary, that solve problems and
| that have withstood severe criticism. If any of his conjectured
| explanations were refuted, he would change his conclusions. If
| he didn't he would be authoritarian, which he would abhor.
|
| His books are dense and benefit from multiple readings. I came
| back to them recently after reading Karl Popper's works, which
| helped me understand his position better.
| antognini wrote:
| Shameless plug, but if you're interested in learning a bit more
| about Anaximander (along with the other philosophers of the
| Ionian School), I did a episode about him in my astronomy history
| podcast a little while back:
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| https://songofurania.com/episode/010
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| (And if you don't like listening to podcasts, there's a
| transcript, too.)
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| Also on the BBC at https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jc11
|
| "Ancient knowledge Start the Week
|
| Carlo Rovelli, Ann Yee and Kapka Kassabova discuss ancient
| knowledge, radical thinking and watery worlds with Adam
| Rutherford."
| nyc111 wrote:
| "The Miletus of 2,600 years ago was a time and place in which the
| ability to read and write moved beyond a limited circle of elite
| scribes."
|
| Interesting. Any time access to knowledge becomes cheaper a
| revolution occurs. Or anytime a monopoly on knowledge disappears.
| I guess the next revolution occurred with the printing press. And
| the last, with the internet. Did I miss any other?
| devindotcom wrote:
| The telegraph was an enormous change, especially laying the
| trans-Atlantic line.
| moh_maya wrote:
| Radio and television, I think. They were a medium for non-
| literates to also participate in learning and exploration, in a
| way they couldn't if the only way to do so was through reading.
| anonymouskimmer wrote:
| The students of early universities (Bologna, etcetera) were
| often troublemakers.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Could you please elaborate? What I gather is that Bologna
| started as a "club" of students, hence "university" (Bologna
| started the term) should be interpreted as "a collective"...
| The union suggests a creation of some power (not just an
| organization), but I do not know what <<trouble[some]>>
| objectives should such guild pursue.
| roughly wrote:
| Carlo Rovelli's books are absolutely fantastic - he's deeply
| passionate and writes with an artistry that very few other
| science writers do. "The Order of Time" is my favorite, but I've
| not been disappointed by anything of his I've read.
| college_physics wrote:
| "Each time that we - as a nation, a group, a continent or a
| religion - look inward in celebration of our specific identity we
| do nothing but lionize our own limits and sing of our stupidity"
|
| Good things tend to happen at the interface. Monocultures (large
| numbers of brains synchronized in identical thought patterns)
| stifle these orthogonal, non-conforming dimensions that help
| expand our perceptive abilities.
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| At the same time identity that looks outwards and engages with
| others in confidence is like a wellspring that doesn't stop
| giving. I like to think that Carlo Rovelli carries the torch of
| such open and inquisitive Italian minds, from Antiquity through
| Renaissance and Enlightenment.
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