[HN Gopher] The Presocratic Philosophers [pdf]
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The Presocratic Philosophers [pdf]
Author : andsoitis
Score : 37 points
Date : 2023-02-18 12:42 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| jbaber wrote:
| Peter Adamson's History of Philosophy without any gaps podcast
| takes you from the pre-Socratics to... let's see, he's up to
| Montaigne.
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| https://historyofphilosophy.net/
| cf100clunk wrote:
| I'll look through this (the Internet Archive's full version that
| fero14041 mentioned) but Bertrand Russell's ''History of Western
| Philosophy'' has always been a personal favourite overview,
| covering this same topic and continuing to the late 19th
| century's major philosophers.
| hodgesrm wrote:
| Bertrand Russell is great. He's an outstanding philosopher in
| his own right and thus equipped to be a great interpreter of
| others. If you tire of that there are always his tart opinions
| on philosophers like Nietzche.
| spindle wrote:
| For people reading Russell: it's important to know in advance
| that he's funny! I've known an expert (specifically, on Plato)
| disparage Russell's history until I showed him which of his
| sentences were jokes, and then they came around to my view that
| his history is okay (although very condensed).
| daseiner1 wrote:
| should be noted that Russell's HoWP has some major
| interpretative issues. Most notoriously he wrote prior to
| Kaufmann's rehab of Nietzsche's image in the Anglosphere;
| Russell interprets him entirely improperly.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| For convenience:
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| https://archive.org/details/TheHistoryOfWesternPhilosophy
| davidhay wrote:
| +1 for "History of Western Philosophy".
| swatcoder wrote:
| Nietszche was also a philologist first and foremost and wrote
| extensively on the topic, albeit in his own irascible style
| rather than the dry and paternal register of Russell and
| similar.
|
| Which is no accident in either case, as their rhetorical and
| philosophical heritage trace precisely to the pre-Socratic and
| Socratic traditions that they identify with.
| endorphine wrote:
| The reason Socrates is considered a point-in-time reference, is
| because he was (supposedly) the first philosopher that was
| thinking about how one should live (e.g. ethics) whereas before
| him philosophers were concerned about what the world was made of.
| endorphine wrote:
| To clarify, Wikipedia[1] describes it better:
| The term ["Presocratics"] was coined to highlight a fundamental
| change in philosophical inquiries between the
| philosophers who lived before Socrates, who were
| interested in the structure of nature and cosmos
| (i.e., the universe, with the implication that the
| universe had order to it), and Socrates and his
| successors, who were mostly interested in ethics and
| politics. The term comes with drawbacks, as several of
| the pre-Socratics were highly interested in ethics and
| how to live the best life.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-
| Socratic_philosophy#Termin...
| kar5pt wrote:
| Also Plato is the earliest (Western) philosopher for whom we
| have full dialogues. For most of the presocratics we only have
| fragments of their works.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _ethics_
|
| Well, the common stance before him would remain
|
| "Investigate".
|
| Already Thales is attributed the "Know thyself" (so we start
| from the beginning); then one may think of Heraclitus (e.g.
| "Evil witnesses are eyes and ears for men, if they have souls
| that do not understand their language"). And of course,
| Pythagoras - the studies "on good and evil" are reported by
| Aristotle.
| fero14041 wrote:
| Caveat lector: This PDF version (from the 1962 ed.) misses
| several pages and only contains some ~130 of the ~460 claimed
| from the table of content.
|
| For a complete book but from its 1957 ed., go eg. to the Internet
| Archive: https://archive.org/details/presocraticphilo033229mbp
| (PDF and EPUB available for download).
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| PS: This is not my knowledge domain, so above dates are retrieved
| from theses PDF and related editions assumption is mine.
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