[HN Gopher] Ford halts production, shipments of F-150 Lightning ...
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Ford halts production, shipments of F-150 Lightning over possible
battery issue
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 55 points
Date : 2023-02-14 19:44 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.reuters.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.reuters.com)
| osamagirl69 wrote:
| They are also recalling packs in the field, my truck is currently
| at the dealer getting a new pack.
| Whatarethese wrote:
| "We are not aware of any incidences of this issue in the
| field," Ford spokesperson Emma Bergg said in an email.
| osamagirl69 wrote:
| I am not sure what you are trying to say. My f150 pack did
| not explode (presumably what an 'incidence' would be in this
| case) but is still being recalled.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Would you be willing to provide the recall number from
| NHTSA based on your VIN? Exposing your VIN is unnecessary.
| Ford might have provided it directly in their
| communications to you.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| BMW replaced my battery pack to analyze the cell chemistry
| where the "incident" was rate of degradation (2014 BMW i3
| pure electric in this case), so it's not necessarily
| something dramatic, but might be just engineering analysis
| and iterative improvement.
| stcroixx wrote:
| [flagged]
| MoreSEMI wrote:
| How is hoping they fail going to improve things? Wouldn't you
| rather hope they fix it and then maybe lower their prices as a
| way to get back customers?
| stcroixx wrote:
| No second chances on price gougers from me. They knew the
| ethics of that before they chose to do it. Maybe other
| manufacturers can learn something from their demise.
| willnonya wrote:
| Most of this "gouging" is at the dealership level where
| prices are raised above the mfg prices. Hoping the company
| fails just seems asinine as a response.
| dang wrote:
| Please don't do this here. You may not owe price-gouging
| megacorps better but you owe this community better if you're
| participating in it.
| hk1337 wrote:
| I wonder what the new Ram 1500 REV is going to be like?
| labcomputer wrote:
| Certainly not premature.
| YVoyiatzis wrote:
| Not a HEMI, that's for sure.
| bozhark wrote:
| HEVI
| lspears wrote:
| My truck was supposed to be delivered last week and mysterious
| got pushed back three weeks. That explains it.
| Seanambers wrote:
| If only there was a company with experience in electric cars..
| cmh89 wrote:
| You mean the one that famously has terrible quality control?
| stephbu wrote:
| Post-production QA is an industry problem in general - the
| difference between systems is who does the QA.
|
| In the dealership model - after transit, they do a once over
| and post-production/transit repairs before the car appears on
| the lot. So much so that most states wrote legislation to
| limit repairs allowed while still being called "new". (often
| ~5% of the retail value of the car). Note that dealers also
| pay wholesale rates on the cost estimate for that, so this
| can be quite large repairs.
|
| The T* direct-model should put the SC in that same spot. Bug
| is they're not doing the work - probably the emphasis on
| throughput incentivizes the wrong behavior. All too often the
| the SC tries to palm-off problems and/or the consumer has to
| do drive QA. Fixing it means the customer is on point -
| obviously YMMV.
|
| IMHO this is a huge gap and flaw. Unfortunately OEM
| dealership behavior is so predatorily atrocious that even
| this flaw isn't enough to overcome the otherwise positive T*
| sales experience. I now know how few signatures are needed to
| buy a car in my state. I have zero intention of participating
| in the "sit outside of a finance office for an hour, no I
| don't need Scotchgard, interest rate manipulation" routine
| ever again.
|
| Dealerships often talk about "relationships" - this BS sales
| talk - we're just prey to them.
| [deleted]
| leesec wrote:
| Is this the same car that is famously about to be best seller
| even tho it's 2-3x the price of the current best seller?
| rtkwe wrote:
| Slow down the oblique shots have gotten so vague I've lost
| track.
| stephbu wrote:
| Doesn't matter if you like or dislike the T-word or EM-himself.
| Fact is they have built one hell of an
| experienced/industrialized muscle in this field. That
| experience is priceless right now - Ford, VW, GM etc. don't
| just need to run-as-fast, they need to run faster. All the
| while not repeating the mistakes that others were allowed to
| make when there were less optics on the problem. This
| technology change is going to be a capital-intensive, painful
| experience for the incumbents.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Incumbents thought they were going to be bin assemblers as
| they've always been, not an engineering first org with
| cutting edge battery technology experience. Oops. Can't MBA
| way your way to the lead, physics cannot be fooled. I hope
| they catch up, the space needs robust competition.
|
| This is also why Tesla is building and selling 40GWh/year of
| stationary storage from their Lathrop Megapack manufacturing
| facility; their battery management systems are proven under
| the harshest conditions vehicles see. Utility storage demands
| are comparatively benign compared to high end powertrain duty
| cycles in top trims.
| Arrath wrote:
| Like Toyota (Prius), Nissan (Leaf), or Chevy (Bolt)? Among
| others.
| kotaKat wrote:
| Like GM, who had their EV packs fail and catch fire? Like
| Toyota, who had their HEV software fail in extreme cold and
| need an update?
|
| No automaker is perfect.
| mtmail wrote:
| You mean Toyota? Or is Telsa implied? Model 3 had 15 recalls in
| 2020, 14 in 2021, 9 in 2022 with basics like "One or both
| taillights may intermittently fail to illuminate."
| beambot wrote:
| What fraction of the recalls were fixed via OTA software
| updates?
| ggreer wrote:
| For my 2020 Model 3, all but one of them. There was a
| recall to replace a cable in the trunk that could break,
| disabling the backup camera.[1] I still haven't taken mine
| in to get the free replacement, but my backup camera has
| been fine.
|
| 1. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-
| defects/every-si...
| leesec wrote:
| Most (all?) of these 'recalls' were fixed over the air
| LightDub wrote:
| I don't mean to be mean, I know there's still a tendency to
| worship Musk and his companies, but pretty please ... just
| get with it. Tesla are just another vehicle manufacturer.
|
| https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-recalls-16-vehicles-
| involved...
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| They are just another vehicle manufacturer that fixes
| many recalls OTA without making you take time off work
| and go into the shop so they can upsell you on something
| else?
|
| That seems kind of unusual to me, but I drive a 22 year
| old car.
| leesec wrote:
| They're not but OK. Also what you posted agreed with what
| I posted.
| ajross wrote:
| All. At least for the Y since summer of 2021. There's a
| spectrum of car recalls from "we'll push it in the next
| update" to "bring it in or die".
|
| FWIW, battery replacements really aren't that far to the
| right. The worst possible case is a battery fire, and those
| really aren't very dangerous in context (e.g. would you
| rather your car burn, or your powertrain or brakes fail
| suddenly?).
|
| But they _are_ extremely expensive for the manufacturer if
| they involve replacements. Not good business news for Ford
| if so, but we don 't know yet.
| willnonya wrote:
| If only any of them made good EVs...
|
| Or even better weren't trading one ecological disaster for
| another.
| themitigating wrote:
| Which is less of a disaster? That's all that matters and you
| making it a binary situation is overly simplistic and likely
| done on purpose due to your political beliefs
| LightDub wrote:
| Yes, Hyundai/Kia are out there!
| doubled112 wrote:
| Hyundai/Kia seems to be having a fair amount of recalls about
| potential fires in things that don't normally catch fire.
|
| The idea of packing them full of lithium is not drawing me in
| right this moment.
| rattlesnakedave wrote:
| Hopefully in a secure location.
| sunshinekitty wrote:
| Thank god for the free market and competition, choice is in the
| interest of consumers.
| whalesalad wrote:
| competition is the fuel of our entire economy
| [deleted]
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