[HN Gopher] Flow Manifest(o)
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Flow Manifest(o)
Author : alexzeitler
Score : 39 points
Date : 2023-02-12 18:36 UTC (4 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (flowmanifest.org)
| lkrubner wrote:
| I enjoy these parodies very much, but on a deeper level, we need
| a good analysis of why this keeps happening. We've had many
| movements that have aimed for simplicity and commonsense and
| ended up a bureaucratic nightmare. Is there a way to actually
| achieve simplicity and commonsense?
| hedora wrote:
| I am a fan of making sure each process is necessary to solve a
| specific problem encountered by this organization, and then
| periodically revisiting each process to see if the organization
| still has the problem it addresses.
| beefman wrote:
| Reward individuals for getting things done. Not itself an easy
| task, but as long as everyone makes roughly the same salary...
| and as long as those jobs are gated in the first place by
| credentials and ridiculous interviews...
|
| Most everywhere I see progress, there's some kind of figure of
| merit or leaderboard. Yes, optimizing to a metric leads to
| problems, but it's better than optimizing to nothing. And those
| problems can be mitigated
|
| https://twitter.com/clumma/status/1329862461151997952
| lmm wrote:
| > Yes, optimizing to a metric leads to problems, but it's
| better than optimizing to nothing. And those problems can be
| mitigated
|
| Citation needed. Elsewhere I've seen it claimed that
| actually, most people want to do a good job, and so any
| metric ends up doing more harm than good. And half of the
| suggestions in that twitter thread (keeping the metric
| private, changing it over time) seem to point in the
| direction of actually not having a metric and relying on
| human judgement instead.
| ilumanty wrote:
| It's capitalization that turns a pure idea into a bureaucratic
| nightmare. Other than making someone pay for courses and
| certificates, how would they prove that they have achieved
| wisdom? /s
| 1attice wrote:
| The problem with 'commonsense' is that it's neither a sense,
| nor terribly common. It is, rather, that sweet spot where
| intuitions are useful.
|
| Which is to say, when you make a 'common sense' judgment, you
| are typically making a judgment based on gut/intuition. You are
| accessing your onboard neural network, which was trained
| against the corpus of your entire life, rather than some rule
| you don't feel in your bones.
|
| There are many problems with this, but for now, let's notice
| that intuitions honed at one level might not work on another.
| For example, intuitions about household debt are famously bad
| intuitions to apply to U.S. federal debt. So looking for e.g.
| commonsense solutions to the U.S. debt will probably not work
| -- you simply won't find one that feels right. This is because
| you (dear reader) are stochastically unlikely to have much
| experience in running a country.
|
| An analogous problem occurs in software. And what the intuition
| cannot usefully reason about, it must cede to systems and
| algorithms, all of which, by definition, feel 'un-intuitive',
| because they are literally substituting for your nonexistent
| and/or offtopic intuitions.
|
| Simply put, most peoples' intuition cannot scale, because the
| training corpus of most people does not include examples of
| sufficient scale, so they are stuck blindly applying rules and
| hoping for the best.
|
| There's just no substitute for experience, but scrum
| afficionados try anyway ;D
| matonias wrote:
| Ponzi?
| hedora wrote:
| You laugh, but there is a certification very similar to this,
| except it isn't a parody, and requires you to make sure all
| your suppliers have the certification.
|
| One give away that a company is certified is that it forces
| them to block merging of all unreviewed pull requests
| (including ones that were revised after last review).
| mahopa wrote:
| Definitely not laughing, the Agile Industrial Complex kills
| souls.
| mahopa wrote:
| Parody
| airtonix wrote:
| [dead]
| joaonmatos wrote:
| I love that this website is just Wordpress with the default 2020
| theme. Even I did more CSS tweaking when I was building out a
| business site for my father.
| e12e wrote:
| They might want to enable caching?
|
| http://web.archive.org/web/20230212185150/https://flowmanife...
| nickpeterson wrote:
| Every company I've ever worked at talked about how new hires
| should be familiar with agile and scrum, and then proceeded to
| completely ignore either. Then hire coaches to try and make it
| happen and it didn't.
|
| It not a knowledge problem, it's a culture problem.
| beders wrote:
| Culture eats processes for lunch.
|
| It is incredibly frustrating to join a new team, point out the
| very obvious misalignment between agile and what they are
| doing...
|
| and then become assimilated and just march on becoming part of
| that same culture.
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