[HN Gopher] I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I'm Blowing t...
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I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I'm Blowing the Whistle
Author : jtbayly
Score : 88 points
Date : 2023-02-11 15:35 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| netmonk wrote:
| This woke lgbt ideology leading to the existence of those clinics
| is just contemporary version of inter class predation and
| interclass war.
|
| A small fraction of upper class lead this movement, and lower
| classes peoples mass follow and adopt theses behaviour and
| ideology to elevated themselves. Funny fact is that whatever the
| number of scientific research a and experiment, homosexuality,
| transgenderism are all sterile, and leads to less class
| reproduction.
|
| Funny. Mass predation by ideology. Without a declared war, and
| real military peoples in the game.
|
| But well, vast majority of people were told to put a mask and
| stay at home and they did. Just to illustrate how dumb they are.
|
| May be something related to sugar consumption.
|
| Btw obesity has all the characteristics of a transition therapy.
| Now wonder why most trans are ugly fat.
| dang wrote:
| " _Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents._ "
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
|
| This topic is flameprone enough as it is, even if people don't
| pile on the firestarter.
| AussieWog93 wrote:
| Interesting she mentions Autism.
|
| I've definitely noticed a trend of people on the spectrum
| suffering from mental health problems, self-diagnosing as gender
| dysphoric and then launching themselves down a one-directional,
| miserable path that ends in their suicide.
|
| Being Autistic myself, and having goine through complete
| dysregulation as a 15-16 year old (it's way more common than
| you'd think, especially as most government support just stops
| when the kids turn 18), I completely understand the mental
| processes that both lead to the depression/anxiety/emotional
| dysregulation as well as the absolute certainty with which the
| epiphany of gender dysphoria is reached.
|
| Hearing the specific linguistic choices common on trans
| reddit/twitter/tttt, and knowing the exact state of mind that
| cause this language to be used just sends a shiver down my spine.
| All it would have taken is for me to have been born 5 years
| later, and I'd be a dead trans woman rather than a fulfilled
| husband and father of two.
|
| If there's anyone reading this who's on the spectrum themselves,
| or has a kid on the spectrum who's talking about gender issues,
| feel free to reach out and I can elaborate a bit more on exactly
| how this specific failure works.
| j-krieger wrote:
| > To begin transitioning, the girls needed a letter of support
| from a therapist--usually one we recommended--who they had to see
| only once or twice for the green light. To make it more efficient
| for the therapists, we offered them a template for how to write a
| letter in support of transition. The next stop was a single visit
| to the endocrinologist for a testosterone prescription.
|
| This is exactly what parents have been fearing. They were told
| that cases like this are non existent. What these clinics are
| doing to children is criminal.
| sixblossom wrote:
| > This is exactly what conservatives and parents have been
| fearing
|
| I'm as left leaning as they come and I'm also very worried and
| irritated by what is happening here. I hate that I have to make
| a new account for plausible deniability as well.
|
| I don't really understand what doctors and a section of society
| is playing at. This is an issue that needs therapy not surgery.
| I'm sorry you feel you're in the wrong body, welcome to the
| club of the ugly short bald people who have a similar problem.
| You can do xyz but you'll never be what you want to be. It's
| tough but there is is, let's do some things to make you more
| comfortable and make life more positive.
|
| See feelings don't have to be dismissed, but they also don't
| have to be pandered to. Using state funded medical services (or
| insurance funded if you're USA) is immoral imo. Sure if you're
| rich enough you can do whatever bizarre things you like to
| yourself, I don't care.
| longcommonname wrote:
| More research should be done around detransitioners. Doctors need
| to evaluate the whole patient and in the case of informed consent
| they should confirm that the patient is aware of all the
| potential changes.
|
| That being said, gate keeping what I do with my body is wrong. I
| knew all the potential side effects when I transitioned. I read
| the wpath in full. I was comfortable with all the risks.
|
| This type of critical judgment of children's health care is
| needed and I hope the doctors are being more rigorous than what
| the author suggests.
|
| I feel terrible for the girls who made a decision they regret and
| lost parts of their body that made them happy. Their doctors, and
| parents failed them. I am also happy that so many people were
| able to successfully transition.
|
| The timing of the article is concerning with so many states
| trying to withhold life saving care I worry that the nuance of
| this article will be lost.
| philwelch wrote:
| Gatekeeping is one of the central aspects of modern medicine.
| Maybe a hundred years ago, when we had a free country and you
| could buy heroin over the counter, there was nobody gatekeeping
| what you did to your own body. But now we've corrected a pretty
| long way in the other direction.
|
| In principle I think consenting adults should be able to do
| whatever they want with their own bodies, but consent needs to
| be informed and the person needs to be mentally capable of
| consent. You need some degree of gatekeeping just to reach that
| bar. And this is going to be an even bigger concern with
| children.
| landemva wrote:
| > heroin over the counter, there was nobody gatekeeping
|
| I wasn't there, though I have learned that generally the
| local pharmacy would do the gate-keeping. Now the local
| pharmacy does what the computer says to do based on whatever
| regulations were input by the back office.
| tomnipotent wrote:
| The local pharmacy at that time didn't look anything like
| its current counterpart. Let's not forget that the 1920s
| was the start of the "Soda Fountain Pharmacy" thanks to
| prohibition, so I wouldn't put much stock into the quality
| of professional pharmacology at the time. It would be
| decades before regulation caught up.
| corbulo wrote:
| > This type of critical judgment of children's health care is
| needed and I hope the doctors are being more rigorous than what
| the author suggests.
|
| If you look critically at the research papers being published
| on these topics as a means to champion it, your hopes will be
| dashed.
| CommanderData wrote:
| Children do stupid things. Gate keeping them from touching a
| flame or walking off a balcony or any other experience they
| have no concept of is what parents do. It is to indoctrinate
| until children learns their own way and that generally happens
| once they understand the world better.
|
| If we let children do as they do because it was their body then
| where would we be as responsible parents.
| [deleted]
| robjwells wrote:
| Interesting to note that very similar concerns have been raised
| by staff at the GIDS youth clinic in the UK.
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51806962
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56539466
| eahoeig wrote:
| [dead]
| beecafe wrote:
| Entire article ignores trans experiences, elevates a cis "ally"
| who feels trans people are icky, doesn't mention that
| detransitoners make up a very small fraction of all cases and the
| vast majority of people who transition are glad to have done so.
| Hand wringing about the effects of T on young girls from seeing
| the female body as a sexual object that is "ruined" by it. The
| only thing the article gets right is that puberty blockers are
| generally bad, but they're used because doctors are reticent to
| prescribe hormones, so they delay the choice.
| aaplok wrote:
| > elevates a cis "ally" who feels trans people are icky
|
| Are you talking about the author, who says at the start of the
| article that she is married to a trans man and spent years of
| her life working with and helping trans people? No matter what
| you think of the article, that claim is obviously wrong to
| anyone who read it.
| spurgu wrote:
| > the vast majority of people who transition are glad to have
| done so
|
| According to a study with a ~12 month follow-up period after
| transitioning? I read something similarly misleading recently.
| Ekaros wrote:
| 12 months? What about 3, 5 or 10 years? Wouldn't that be more
| reasonable period to consider.
| spurgu wrote:
| So you would think and the prospect doesn't necessarily
| look that rosy when you do.
| tonfreed wrote:
| Suicide rates are the same before and after transitioning.
| There's something else going on that needs to be addressed, and
| simply screaming at and attempting to gaslight critical voices
| is going to end with the unnecessary deaths of a lot more
| people.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Please don't spread misinformation.
|
| How you would ever imagine the author thinks "trans people are
| icky" is beyond me. That's pure character assassination. Also I
| can't imagine where you're imagining "hand wringing" about
| "ruining" of "sexual objects". There's utterly nothing in the
| article even remotely related to any of that.
|
| You're clearly not interested in engaging with points actually
| made in the article at all, because you're instead making up
| falsehoods out of thin air.
| dang wrote:
| You've broken the site guidelines in several places here.
| Please don't do that, regardless of how wrong someone is or
| you feel they are. Those are the moments when it matters most
| to follow them.
|
| If you wouldn't mind reviewing
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking
| the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be
| grateful.
| devmor wrote:
| [flagged]
| willcipriano wrote:
| What was false in the Twitter files?
| rapsey wrote:
| Nothing. But when you are from a specific political spectrum,
| before they came out it was "this is a conspiracy". After
| they came out it was "well of course that is how it works
| this is nothing new."
| ethanbond wrote:
| Who would've been shocked to hear that governments
| (including the US) make requests of private companies?
|
| Even Third Party Doctrine, which is a way more direct
| attack on people's rights, is so well established that it
| has a name with capital letters and its own Wikipedia
| article and whatnot.
| Animats wrote:
| _" Until 2015 or so, a very small number of these boys comprised
| the population of pediatric gender dysphoria cases. Then, across
| the Western world, there began to be a dramatic increase in a new
| population: Teenage girls, many with no previous history of
| gender distress, suddenly declared they were transgender and
| demanded immediate treatment with testosterone."_
|
| That's what's so striking. Why is that happening? There's a
| controversy over this.[1] It's been observed in (at least)
| Australia, Canada, the UK, France, Sweden, and the US. People
| involved in studying this have been attacked, and as a result,
| there's not much new data since the big controversy in 2018.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-
| onset_gender_dysphoria_c...
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