[HN Gopher] Free Software / Open Source: Getting Back to a Socia...
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       Free Software / Open Source: Getting Back to a Social Frame
        
       Author : p4bl0
       Score  : 16 points
       Date   : 2023-02-07 15:53 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | abetusk wrote:
       | This is why I use the term "libre". It's unfortunate that we have
       | to import French words into English in this way as it sounds
       | pretentious but at least it's getting closer to being
       | unambiguous.
       | 
       | I also tend to pair it with "free" as in "libre/free". I used to
       | say "free/libre" until someone thought I was saying "free labor"
       | because of the word ordering.
       | 
       | I also found the terminology behind "free as in speech" vs. "free
       | as in beer" so confusing. What did free beer have to do with
       | anything? Why are you able to hear speech without cost but have
       | to pay for beer? For some reason, I always found it more
       | confusing then enlightening.
       | 
       | Now, to clarify, I say "free as in freedom" vs "free as in
       | gratis".
        
         | stonemetal12 wrote:
         | >I also found the terminology behind "free as in speech" vs.
         | "free as in beer" so confusing. What did free beer have to do
         | with anything?
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         | Maybe it is because of my US perspective, but I find the
         | confusion around it confusing.
         | 
         | Free speech being a constitutional right and the first entry in
         | the bill of rights makes it the quintessential textbook example
         | of libre in the US. If you aren't in the US and someone talks
         | about "free speech" does it not refer to libre speech?
         | 
         | Free in "Free beer" must imply no cost, because there is no
         | lessening of the rules and responsibilities around alcohol
         | consumption no matter how you acquire it. Are there places with
         | different rules and responsibilities around alcohol consumption
         | such that "free beer" might imply libre beer?
        
       | ergonaught wrote:
       | Yes, what native English speakers hear is seldom what is meant,
       | but I found it amusing to examine the definition of "free" here:
       | https://www.dictionary.com/browse/free
       | 
       | The sense of "provided without payment" is the 11th definition,
       | "without cost" is the 36th definition, both quite far from the
       | leading definitions. The first 8 listed involve liberty and
       | autonomy, for example.
        
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