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Microsoft just announced a media event taking place tomorrow with
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Date : 2023-02-06 20:44 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| sublinear wrote:
| If it turns out to be Office + ChatGPT does it mean the return of
| Clippy?
|
| Can Clippy auto-reply to my emails when I'm out with good answers
| based on replies I've already given and stuff I've documented on
| SharePoint that people never bother reading? That would be
| awesome.
| arthurcolle wrote:
| Make him cool, give him shades and a vape, a broccoli haircut,
| call him Lil Clip, put him on TikTok (acquisition pending)
| dougmwne wrote:
| ROFL, Lil Clip it is. Also he is ace now and goes by
| Cle/Clim. We obviously had clim mis-gendered from the start.
| Why the hell did we need to force gender on a paperclip?
| sadjad wrote:
| How do you do, fellow kids?
| dougmwne wrote:
| It looks like you're trying to relate to teenagers. Would
| you like a slang glossary PowerPoint template?
| generalizations wrote:
| That is a ballsy move. Sounds like they're going to try and steal
| Google's thunder on the 9th. Wonder what they have planned - a
| version of chatgpt that isn't behind a login wall? Something that
| integrates with Bing? They probably have the compute
| infrastructure to pull it off.
| ape4 wrote:
| Is the underdog move. If it fails, well, they are still far
| from the leader. But if it works...
| ChildOfChaos wrote:
| Google already announced there AI today though, so looks like
| they are trying to one up each other.
| 1024core wrote:
| Related to this? https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-
| ai-search-upda...
| rvz wrote:
| Microsoft magnificently coordinates a move once done by Facebook
| who also stole Snap Inc's thunder before announcing their
| conference years ago and applies that same move on to Google to
| finish them off.
|
| This announcement is hyping around ChatGPT on Bing, GPT-4, and
| potentially generative videos from images which is already around
| the corner. Google has the same set of this research and I expect
| this to be applied on to Google Search. But rather than to join
| the chorus of calls for the end of Google in two years because of
| ChatGPT, it is better to wait for what research Google has done
| before all of this, since right now, ChatGPT's capability is no
| better than a clever sophist unable to transparently explain
| itself.
|
| It is not over for Google. They are fine. It is _only_ over for
| both OpenAI and Google when an open source LLM that is better and
| smaller than ChatGPT is released; just like what Stable Diffusion
| did to DALL-E 2.
|
| That is the _real_ requirement that will change everything
| permanently.
| thewataccount wrote:
| > It is only over for both OpenAI and Google when an open
| source LLM that is better and smaller than ChatGPT is released;
| just like what Stable Diffusion did to DALL-E 2.
|
| Man imagine a text model running local on your device. Plus it
| doesn't even need to be as good as the state of the art stuff -
| just "good enough" for the average person to care.
|
| Stable diffusion already runs on iPhones (I'm sure android too)
| albeit slowly - I don't think its unrealistic. Stable
| diffusion's model is only ~2.4gb pruned. Sure we aren't quite
| there yet but I think it's totally possible.
| 2snakes wrote:
| Blood in the water since Google themselves said ChatGPT could
| kill them in a few years.
| dougmwne wrote:
| This is a real grab-the-popcorn moment. If Microsoft is about to
| slam GPT into Bing it could be their best moment to steal market
| share from Google in decades. Few a few glorious weeks, the world
| would be talking about Bing search. Google is desperately trying
| to get ahead of that. You can practically see them pushing each
| other out of the way to get through the door first.
| asim wrote:
| End consumers don't care. This is the thing. We live in a total
| bubble. While for us this is really interesting, the long tail
| don't care. We're going to see over the coming years how this
| plays out. Redefining the search format is a good first step,
| whether or not it will lead to stronger adoption of the Bing
| search product is not clear.
| qwertox wrote:
| My 70+ year old mom has been talking about ChatGPT these last
| 2 weeks as if she were a fanboy (I think she absolutely loves
| the sound of the name), she wouldn't know if she had Edge
| open and doesn't know that one can use browser tabs.
|
| When asked if she tried it, she not only didn't even realize
| that it was accessible to her, but didn't even bother to
| register to actually try it.
|
| If Microsoft is smart about it, they call it "Microsoft
| Search with ChatGPT", do their "we'll place you a shortcut on
| your desktop without asking"-thing with an icon named
| "ChatGPT" which launches Edge even if Chrome or FFX is the
| default, and shows the "Microsoft Search with ChatGPT" page
| with an auto-submitted question like "If animals could talk,
| which species do you think would be the funniest to have a
| conversation with and why?".
|
| Let them ask a few questions and finally ask them if they
| want to set Edge as their new default browser.
| aikinai wrote:
| She loves the sound of the name? Is there a clever way to
| say it I'm missing? I've never heard it out loud and always
| assumed it's Chat Gee Pee Tee.
| icepat wrote:
| I think it's just an endearing quirk of his (likely)
| elderly mother.
| bombela wrote:
| And this is why we need an ethical code of conduct for
| programmers.
| LesZedCB wrote:
| i heard random old folks in the cafe i like to work at
| talking about chatGPT.
|
| it's not a niche topic in the slightest little bit. if the
| defacto location for using chatGPT becomes bing.com (or
| whatever rebranding) that's huge.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| My friend's college age kids are using ChatGPT for dating
| app conversations. Illinois and Iowa colleges.
|
| Bringing ChatGPT to Bing would be similar to what GitHub
| did for MS' DevRel.
| HDThoreaun wrote:
| My dad is a doctor who is now using chatGPT to respond to
| questions from his residents. It only works half the time
| or so, but he will consistently put their question in to
| see how ot does.
| dougmwne wrote:
| I love that because I have heard similar anecdotes about
| using ChatGPT to respond to coworkers. In the end it will
| just be ChatGPT talking to itself on Tinder and Slack.
| lern_too_spel wrote:
| It would be substantially better than Google search, so it
| would grab share quickly. I don't see it happening though.
| According to Sundar's blog post, even Google doesn't have the
| hardware to run ChatGPT at web search qps scale.
|
| If they pull it off, Sundar's Bard blog post would be a huge
| egg-on-face moment for Google, even bigger than when DeepMind
| said it would make a Go announcement soon and Zuck tried to
| steal its thunder.
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/28/go-
| playin...
| hrez wrote:
| ChatGPT hits estimated 100 million monthly active users.
|
| Pretty sure every student heard of it and many of them tried
| it.
|
| Consumers don't care what it's called, but they surely will
| use it. Especially if it's built into a familiar search
| engine.
| tamrix wrote:
| You're right. End consumers don't care. Which is why
| Microsoft will stuff it into the desktop search. Users will
| just type and ChatGPT has customers. They won't know what
| it's called or care that it even exists but they'll be using
| it.
| seydor wrote:
| called something better than Cortana probably
| vitorgrs wrote:
| Bing with ChatGPT-4 already leaked so just a matter of time.
|
| https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-wit...
| dougmwne wrote:
| Holy hell. If that is real then Google is FUUUCKED.
| Kukumber wrote:
| People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website
|
| People will still look for ChatGPT website
|
| They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT
|
| It's similar with Edge, even after they moved to Chromium, most
| people use it to download Chrome
|
| Google will soon release their own ChatGPT, so it's already
| game over for Bing
|
| Microsoft didn't make ChatGPT, so there is no brand fidelity
| among ChatGPT users
|
| And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google,
| it's just a web app; once you found it, you don't need to look
| for it again, you bookmark it, or it's in your browser history
| and accessible from your address bar
|
| I don't understand this movement to promote Microsoft/Bing,
| when the star of the show is ChatGPT itself, ChatGPT makes
| Google/Bing useless to begin with
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| nonethewiser wrote:
| >People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will
| still look for ChatGPT website
|
| On that note, couldnt Google just show bongs ChatGPT results?
| I suppose there are probably some legal issues there.
| spinningslate wrote:
| > They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT
|
| No insider knowledge, but it would seem a marketing snafu to
| go down that route. ChatGPT has brand awareness: Microsoft
| has exclusive access to ChatGPT. They've been canny with
| Github by _not_ branding it Microsoft.
|
| >And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google
|
| Indeed. So how can Microsoft disintermediate Google given
| they don't own either the browser or current internet search?
| Windows is one possibility: integrate ChatGPT direct into
| Windows search. The market certainly isn't as big as mobile -
| but it's not small either.
|
| All speculation obviously. I'll have the popcorn out too.
| kranke155 wrote:
| Microsoft being good at marketing! What a dreamy world that
| would be eh.
|
| MS being MS I believe they will take the stupidest decision
| possible. And Google will take over with their Bard.
|
| I mean this chatGPT thing isn't even that useful. I find it
| super weird that people are using it. Considering it's not
| accurate and the amount of guardrails, I find it a bit odd.
| But I love writing and I know how to write so maybe that's
| on me.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Perhaps they could anthropomorphize the language model
| through some kind of playful character related to office
| tasks.
| vuln wrote:
| How about a paper clip?
| candiddevmike wrote:
| Cortana in a gender agnostic suit?
| meeks wrote:
| Chat-Clippy-T
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| If they bring back Clippy, I might return to Windows.
| bandyaboot wrote:
| The thing is, before it'll answer your first question, it
| makes you apologize for making fun of it all these years.
| And the words you give it had better resemble sincerity.
| dougmwne wrote:
| It's because Microsoft bought half of OpenAI. Practically
| speaking, OpenAI is Microsoft's AI product development lab.
| If Microsoft wants Bing to be the sole public interface to
| GPT, I promise you they have the leverage to make that
| happen.
| nonethewiser wrote:
| This is how I thought askjeeves worked when I was 10.
| thom wrote:
| What's really funny about this is that the answer to "what's
| the meaning of life?" on Ask Jeeves about 20 years ago was an
| Eliezer Yudkowsky essay on AI saying that if we're too dumb
| to know the meaning of life, we should build machines that
| are smart enough to work it out.
| ganoushoreilly wrote:
| Not surprising Google announced their AI ambitions with _BARD_
| , they're feeling the heat. I love the competition, I just hope
| it doesn't end up lopsided with a clear winner that takes all.
| mc32 wrote:
| Definitely! It would be nice to be back where there was no
| dominant search player and you had half dozen "able"
| solutions. In this scenario maybe some would have different
| biases (general, business, parental supervision, no-
| guardrails, etc)
|
| Out of curiosity would this the one one of the emps
| characterized as "sentient"?
| bfeynman wrote:
| that's exactly opposite of consumer behavior, people want
| simple experience they can trust. That's why google and
| amazon are so popular, even with their flaws, no one wants
| to scan multiple different providers to get a simple
| answer/item.
| mc32 wrote:
| I guess. But many people shot NewEgg and ebay as well.
|
| Not everyone want's the "correct" version of the internet
| either. Some or many will want a firehose for themselves
| and a filtered version for their kids, etc.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| I've been defaulting to Bing over Google for non-programming
| queries for a while now. The results are objective and clearly
| devoid of whatever bias filter Google applies before returning
| what it _thinks_ I 'm asking for.
| jsnell wrote:
| Announcements of announcements are historically considered
| offtopic on HN. Let's at least wait until there's some kind of
| details to discuss.
| binarymax wrote:
| People seem to think that this integration will turn the tables
| on Google. But the fact is that Google has such a wide reach by
| default on browsers and devices, that this will likely not make a
| difference.
|
| Google has a staggering 92% of searches globally[0]. Most people
| don't know how to change their search engine. Bard can be a slow
| rollout, and if done right their search platform is not at risk.
|
| [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
| mirekrusin wrote:
| People said same kind of things in the past, ie. about Nokia
| when iPhone came out etc.
| threeseed wrote:
| Except that this is not even remotely comparable.
|
| ChatGPT on its own is not a replacement for Google Search and
| spending more than a few minutes with either makes it pretty
| obvious that it isn't.
|
| Integration with Bing would get you part way there but still
| it simply hasn't got the rich database that Google has e.g.
| Map POIs, YouTube, Ad partner data sharing etc.
| impulser_ wrote:
| The big difference here is that you had too buy either the
| Nokia or the iPhone.
|
| Google is preinstalled on billions of phones for free, and
| this will not be changing anytime soon.
|
| How are you going to get millions of old folk that dont care
| about Bing vs Google to change the default search engine on
| their smartphone if you are Bing?
| goodlinks wrote:
| Dont microsfots pockets run deep enough to offer the same
| deal?
|
| Until now it may have been futile..
| threeseed wrote:
| Apple cares about experience just as much as money.
|
| Their own search engine isn't that far off Bing and both
| are way behind Google.
| binarymax wrote:
| I'll admit anything is possible, but it's highly unlikely.
|
| It's not like Google was caught completely unaware and
| incapable, they've been refining this tech for a while
| internally.
| nonethewiser wrote:
| If it werent for google maps I'd probably happily switch to
| bing.
| binarymax wrote:
| Sure. I don't use Google either and haven't for years. But
| most of the world is not us. We are a very small minority.
| Most people are using Google by default, and will continue to
| do so for many reasons, not least of which is that they are
| so entrenched. Every mobile device in the western world
| defaults to Google search...and changing it is not trivial
| for most people.
| pkaye wrote:
| I need a Google Home type of device with ChatGPT level of AI. I
| which Microsoft would do this.
| erulabs wrote:
| Oh my god imagine a home assistant that could keep track of
| _two_ kitchen timers simultaneously. Truly we live in the
| future.
| nonethewiser wrote:
| Cortana goes to college
| htrp wrote:
| ChatGPT integrated knowledge graph and instant answers in bing.
| deely3 wrote:
| Verifiable answers? Or just ChatGPT answers with some random
| facts?
|
| I could be wrong but first one is not yet implented and second
| one doesn't make sense.
| NGRhodes wrote:
| Along with the ChatGTP enhanced search that is most likely to be
| announced soon, I've just (10 minutes before posting this)
| spotted https://www.bing.com/images/create which is AI image
| generation powered by DALL-E
| 2bitencryption wrote:
| If this announcement regards GPT+Bing, I hope MS is savvy enough
| to also use this as a rebranding moment for Bing.
|
| "Bing: now with GPT!" doesn't roll of the tongue.
|
| If this is truly an inflection point for Bing, give it a new
| branding. Leave Bing in the recycling bin.
| RajT88 wrote:
| BinGPT
|
| You're welcome.
| nonethewiser wrote:
| AskGPT. Although it would probably be good not to use GPT.
| taspeotis wrote:
| Microsoft Azure Bing Intelligence Search Engine Services,
| Ultimate Signature Edition [1].
|
| [1] https://kevinstreet.co.uk/2018/12/24/windows-vista-
| ultimate-...
|
| (I added Ultimate Signature Edition, the rest was brought to
| you by ChatGPT.)
| neodypsis wrote:
| You're missing the Millenium XP Service Pack 4 somewhere in
| the name.
| seydor wrote:
| Why would MS add it to bing? MS does not control the web
| browser anymore, but they do control the windows default search
| box. Why would they enter in competition with google when they
| can steal people's attention to their own ecosystem? It would
| be more valuable for them to add it there, and integrate it
| with windows applications. Windows would become a super-app.
| Google can still curate the web, which is now just a training
| dataset
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| I vote for the name "Open"
| subpixel wrote:
| Chat Chat Go?
| luckylion wrote:
| That would obviously be BinGo.
| pedalpete wrote:
| Not just branding, it's a category creation opportunity. What
| is past search. ChatGPT allows for a more fluid question,
| answer, discussion type experience than search.
| conductr wrote:
| A lot of the jokes/suggestions here still include GPT which
| seems like the least brandable acronym in the world
| EFreethought wrote:
| The joke is that "Bing" is an acronym:
|
| But It's Not Google.
| honkler wrote:
| should have been: "Bing Is Not Google"
| atgctg wrote:
| Clippy?
| cloudking wrote:
| Bing -> Bong
|
| https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Bing_Bong
| nonethewiser wrote:
| https://youtu.be/poz6W0znOfk
| preommr wrote:
| It's such a particularly bad name. Just absolutely awful.
|
| I genuinely think that there's some people that don't use it
| just because of the name, or at least are very resistant to it
| - and I say that because I am one of them.
| bombcar wrote:
| They could rebrand as Internet Explorer on the Edge. Sounds
| more like a search engine anyway.
| mc32 wrote:
| In this case, it's the internet but without the "edge" (which
| is good in most business instances)
| nonethewiser wrote:
| Dear god. This is a great idea. But obviously a terrible idea
| at the same time.
| jimkoen wrote:
| Just go with EdgeSearch. Then, instead of "googling
| something", we would be edging to get a result to a problem.
| system16 wrote:
| Exactly. It will be a huge misstep if they don't take the
| opportunity to do a rebranding here.
|
| It's not that Bing is terrible (well the name is, but that
| could be arguable). It's that after at all of these years Bing
| has become - deserving of it or not - synonymous with mediocre.
| When it comes to search, it's not even thought of as 'second
| best' - it's more like 'last resort' (or even "I'm feeling
| lucky")
| mc32 wrote:
| Bing, with a bang gives boom!
|
| When you do a bang! search it processes it through chatGPT and
| boom! (there it is)
| mirekrusin wrote:
| I think it's going to be about the new version of clippy.
| foobarian wrote:
| I wonder how they plan to monetize this, and what the compute
| costs look like.
| dougmwne wrote:
| That is the exact thing that the company playing catch-up can
| worry about later once the users show up. MS has plenty of
| money and not much to protect in the search space. It's Google
| that's facing an existential risk if this new information tool
| becomes popular and they can't figure out how to monetize it.
| kriro wrote:
| I suppose it's Bing -> "SearchGPT" or maybe GPT integration for
| office or both. Let's see how much hybe will be generated.
| Current stock price: 256.77
| nlstitch wrote:
| YES. This is great news. It's really time to shake up the
| competition and kicks things back into high gear.
| abudabi123 wrote:
| If it is true Microsoft has money in the war chest they should be
| looking at ideas twice the size of Twitter in value, $88B. OpenAi
| is Elon M's left behind project and it doesn't give the
| impression it has made rapid progress like the demos at
| Neuralink. Imagine the synergy from Twitter, Neuralink, Tesla for
| tackling large language models. Twitter has the SoT for how
| people interact. I dunno where OpenAi gets data and how fresh it
| is.
| neodypsis wrote:
| Does one really want to train ChatGPT using Twitter?
| wildrhythms wrote:
| What does this mean for the 'Cortana' uhh... feature?
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