[HN Gopher] How New Ideas Arise
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How New Ideas Arise
Author : marban
Score : 67 points
Date : 2023-02-05 09:59 UTC (13 hours ago)
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| jschveibinz wrote:
| I would also add that ideas are EMERGENT, i.e. the underlying
| components of an idea "self-assemble" into a picture either in
| one person's imagination or in the collaborative imagination of
| two or more individuals, such as in a conversation or a joint
| white board session.
|
| I believe that the process of emergence is fundamental to our
| sense of perception.
| thenerdhead wrote:
| Strange to not see one of the most common ones:
|
| Ideas arise from physical movement.
|
| I believe Nietzsche was famous for saying this, but is true for
| many brilliant thinkers such as Aristotle & Plato(School of
| Athens shows this), Kierkegaard, Seneca, and Kant to name a few.
|
| > Sit as little as possible; do not believe any idea that was not
| born in the open air and of free movement -- in which the muscles
| do not also revel... Sitting still... is the real sin against the
| Holy Ghost.
| amelius wrote:
| However, new ideas almost never arise from walking through a list
| about how new ideas arise.
| lioeters wrote:
| Generally, new ideas do not arise from trying to think of new
| ideas. It's like entrepreneurs searching for a profitable
| business idea, without having a need or problem to solve.
| svnt wrote:
| Right, but if someone weren't aware of how it happens, reading
| this could enable them to put themselves in idea-arising
| situations more often.
| samsquire wrote:
| For me there's a spiritual element to it too. Some people just
| "get ideas from somewhere".
|
| The more ideas you have, the more you get. I expressly try to
| have ideas and combine different things or inspirations together.
|
| I use "writing is thinking" to develop ideas, I've been
| journalling ideas since 2013 and they're all computer software
| related. I am up to 700 entries. Links are in my profile.
|
| I also publish submit ideas on halfbakery.com under the user
| chronological.
|
| One thing I learned recently though is that to follow through
| with an idea requires 100s of skills. I don't want to get stuck
| in a local optimum of trying to create say, a perfect piece of
| futuristic piece of software perfectly or a new programming
| language perfectly on first try. I need to just go out and do
| stuff and explore by doing things with my ideas. Sure I'll have
| digressions where I explore an interesting idea, but the
| important thing is I try to keep doing different tasks that get
| me nearer the ideas' aims.
| agentwiggles wrote:
| Good comment, I've been struggling with the "100s of skills"
| thing a bit recently. I have a small side project I've been
| working on but have somewhat stalled as I keep running up
| against the limits of what I already know. The only solution to
| this is to just keep grinding and trying new things as I keep
| trying to build the thing, but the loss of momentum every time
| I find the next brick wall is demotivating.
|
| Anyway, I'm currently procrastinating on that exact side
| project (I try to sit down and put an hour in on it at least
| once a day).
|
| So, back to it, to learn something new!
| samsquire wrote:
| Would love to read about what you worked on and learned.
|
| Thanks for your reply. Really encouraging.
| agentwiggles wrote:
| Good thing I didn't keep procrastinating, ha!
|
| My project is a Phoenix app, and the thing that's been
| stalling me lately is that the feature I'm working on
| seemed like a good candidate to be built with Liveview,
| which I have almost no experience with. The screen in
| question is where a user can put together a routine from
| their exercises (it's an app for organizing your practice
| routine for a musical instrument).
|
| I want users to be able to drag and drop the exercises they
| add to a routine into their preferred order. So I spent my
| hour and change today reading through the 4th chapter of
| the LiveView book and then hooked up a live route to a page
| in my app.
|
| As of right now it's not even close to done, but I do have
| a basic scaffold in place now, and I started putting
| together a basic HTML page in another file to experiment
| with the look and feel of the thing.
|
| I'm not much of a frontend guy so another stumbling block
| has just been trying to piece together things that look
| halfway decent. Phoenix 1.7 ships with Tailwind so I've
| also been trying to wrap my head around that.
|
| It wasn't all that much really, but I'm one step further
| along, and hopefully have a little less friction for the
| next session.
|
| So far, I've clocked 12 hours on the project, with a goal
| of putting in 162 hours over the next few months (to match
| the amount of time I spent playing Factorio last year). 12
| hours doesn't feel like that much to me, but I've learned a
| good amount about Phoenix so far. A lot of the first few
| hours was spent learning about Ecto (the main
| Elixir/Phoenix database framework).
|
| Anyway, it's often frustrating - I want to be at the point
| where I can just sit down with an idea and make it happen.
| But it does feel good to "put the reps in," and hopefully
| the time I'm investing will pay off in a more accessible
| set of skills.
| samsquire wrote:
| Wow - that sounds really interesting. Well done for
| persevering :-)
|
| I think LiveView is a really interesting idea and can be
| extremely powerful to building responsive applications.
|
| I've always wondered how LiveView scales when you add a
| load balancer to the mix and what you need to do to cause
| it to work at scale.
|
| I'm not much of a frontend (css/html) person either!
|
| I just set myself a task and work until it's done, it's
| not part of an overreaching project but sometimes they do
| join up together and I merge the work together.
| stephencoyner wrote:
| "Too much imagination is much rarer than too little; when it
| occurs, it usually involves its unfortunate possessor in
| frustration and failure-unless he is sensible enough merely to
| write about his ideas, and not to attempt their realization."
|
| Arthur C. Clarke
| moremetadata wrote:
| https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10154775 Creative minds 'mimic
| schizophrenia'
|
| "Some companies have "skunk works" - secure, secret
| laboratories for their highly creative staff where they can
| freely experiment without disrupting the daily business."
|
| Smoking Skunk weed does this to the brain as well, which is
| perhaps a stealth reference to skunk works.
|
| Too much Skunk can lead to psychosis.
| https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31480234
|
| Main property of Skunk weed is, extremely high levels of THC
| and low levels of CBD.
|
| Psychosis is also seen in pregnant women or post partum due
| to the strain on their body. If ever you wanted an example
| look no further than Ridley Scott's Alien Chestburster
| destroying the host or even this https://www.reddit.com/r/rai
| sedbywolves/comments/j5ky8t/ridl...
|
| So what does Psychosis tell us? Its a brain immunological
| issue. Clues from the Skunk THC:CBD ratio.
|
| Psychosis can be treated with Omega-3's namely EPA as it
| helps increase the size of neutrophils by upto 38% and
| increase duration of cells. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
| articles/PMC6834330/#sec3-i... https://www.sciencedirect.com/
| science/article/abs/pii/009069...
|
| Neutrophil's are the first (innate) immune cell response to
| be recruited to sites of inflammation in order to engulf
| pathogens. The increased size of neutrophils helps to engulf
| larger pathogens, including bacteria biofilms which will
| plague people towards end of life.
|
| Omega-3's are a precursor to endocannabinoids aka the phyto
| CBD seen in weed and other food sources.
|
| Hence why the military have developed skunk, you get a double
| whammy punishment of breaking the law whilst also being
| psychologically cracked in order to give up secrets for law
| enforcement purposes via medical centres, like something out
| of a MK Ultra mind control programme adapted and coerced on
| the wider population today.
| gumby wrote:
| > The more ideas you have, the more you get.
|
| I like to think that this comes from an attitude of
| _recognising_ ideas as they emerge, and being willing to
| tolerate seemingly bad ones, chewing on them a bit until they
| either get better or are recognized as ones worth dropping.
|
| I think most people are afraid to acknowledge their ideas, or
| at least afraid to let them out
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