[HN Gopher] Universal Summarizer
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Universal Summarizer
Author : simonebrunozzi
Score : 428 points
Date : 2023-02-03 19:13 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (labs.kagi.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (labs.kagi.com)
| est wrote:
| Doesn't seem to work
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://www.youtube.com/wat...
| probably_wrong wrote:
| I got that error when trying to summarize a dumb two-paragraph
| article I once wrote. If I had to guess I'd say that's what you
| get when the backend cannot identify what the main text is
| (which is a surprisingly hard problem).
| JonathanFly wrote:
| Not bad with a single out of context chapter from a genre web
| fiction serial that is hard to understand without context. The
| language and writing style sounds a LOT like ChatGPT. Feels like
| the model asked a bunch of different questions (what is
| interesting to note, what's important, etc.)
|
| >Jessica Yamada is a therapist working with a patient, Victoria,
| who is struggling with the possibility of uncontrollable,
| incurable plagues. Jessica is also dealing with a malfunctioning
| suit that has interrupted her sessions with her patient. She is
| also dealing with a colleague who is making her out to be a
| freak. Jessica is also trying to help a young woman, Lily, who is
| torn between fatalism and wanting to help her friends stick
| together. Finally, Jessica is talking to Eidolon, a powerful man
| who is losing his powers and is trying to fight a monster to the
| death. It is interesting to note that Jessica is trying to help
| her patients in a variety of ways, from providing coping
| mechanisms to offering moral support.
|
| https://parahumans.wordpress.com/category/stories-arcs-11/ar...
|
| Also, unintentionally got this line perfect (given later story
| stuff...)
|
| 'a powerful man who is losing his powers and is trying to fight a
| monster to the death'
| FeepingCreature wrote:
| If it's a LLM, it's probably read a lot of webfiction.
| [deleted]
| azubinski wrote:
| This is a great tool for survival in the face of the popularity
| of independent journalism.
|
| Perfect. Thanks!
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Based on a few samples and experiments on it:
|
| this tool should avoid trying to mimic structured speech - as
| real understanding does not appear from the outputs and
| "coherent" speech is consequently a dubious transvestity.
|
| It should instead, if based on "recognizing salient points in
| text", do that as well and possible and just highlight textual
| extracts from the original - leaving intelligent
| contextualization of the highlighted chunks to the intelligent
| skimmer.
| tanto wrote:
| I was an early paying Kagi user but started using !g more and
| more over the last few month. I am not sure what they changed.
| Recently I decided to switch my default search back to Google as
| basically in 90% of all search queries I found the result I
| searched for on Google instead of Kagi.
| malnourish wrote:
| I'm the opposite; I use Google less and less.
| sinuhe69 wrote:
| Strange! Sometimes, when I pasted the link directly, it just
| shows "no healthy upstream". Click the second time on this
| article has the same effect. And there is no way to go back to it
| home page.
| sinuhe69 wrote:
| For some articles, it showed "No summary available at this
| moment, please try again later." Does it mean the engine is
| momentarily overloaded, or the summaries are not instant?
| Perhaps Kagi runs the AI summary service in the background, fed
| through a human pipeline, then published it? Otherwise, it's
| hard to explain the curation found by other users and now the
| non-availability.
| donnyxokzp wrote:
| Same here, tried from different networks and device, RN all i
| get is "no healthy upstream"
| widowlark wrote:
| This is incredibly well done. Congrats to the team at Kagi, I was
| genuinely blown away by the speed and accuracy of the results.
| ptsd wrote:
| Bit meta, but asking it to summarise this comment thread gives an
| interesting result...
|
| > Jessica Yamada is a therapist working with a patient, Victoria,
| who is struggling with the possibility of uncontrollable,
| incurable plagues. Jessica is also trying to help a young woman,
| Lily, who is torn between fatalism and wanting to help her
| friends stick together.
|
| Not sure why it picked this particular post as representative.
| amelius wrote:
| Does it rely on OpenAI under the hood?
| wetpaws wrote:
| Unlikely, it does not seem to handle foreign languages very
| well.
| seligman99 wrote:
| I asked it to summarize the transcript for a podcast about an
| episode of Star Trek. One minor issue in grammar, but otherwise,
| it does a remarkable job of making a summary:
|
| > In the Star Trek episode "The Cage", Captain Pike is held
| captive by a race of advanced televisions. He is offered a life
| of luxury in a cage, but he realizes that this is not the life he
| wants and manages to escape. The televisions watch everything on
| TV and have become too voyeuristic and passive. At the end of the
| episode, Pike makes the right choice and is able to see the
| difference between the falsehood of the fantasy and the difficult
| but more acceptable reality. This episode highlights the
| importance of exploration and being better than oneself, and is a
| reminder of the dangers of becoming too passive and voyeuristic.
| It also shows how technology can be used to create illusions and
| how these illusions can be used to manipulate people.
| GaggiX wrote:
| I am truly amazed at how fast and good it is at summarizing
| videos, it is (or will be) definitely an amazing tool for the
| Kagi search engine. I guess they have trained/finetuned a
| specific model to summarize video transcripts, since the content
| is delivered so differently.
| imranq wrote:
| Awesome. does this use only the raw text or does it get help from
| other summarizers online?
| asicsp wrote:
| Tried it with one of my blog posts:
| https://learnbyexample.github.io/python-regex-surprises/
|
| > _This post provides a few examples of regular expressions that
| may surprise the reader. It covers topics such as the difference
| between the $ and \Z anchors, the use of start and end arguments
| for compiled methods, the behavior of undefined escape sequences,
| the use of octal and hexadecimal escapes in the replacement
| section, the behavior of quantifiers, and the difference between
| greedy and possessive quantifiers. It also highlights the
| importance of using keyword arguments when using the sub()
| function, and the need to use the regex module 's constants when
| using the regex module. Overall, this post provides a great
| overview of some of the nuances of regular expressions._
|
| At first I thought it was just making use of subheadings but on a
| closer look it does pick up points from the content. I think this
| could be very useful in trying to come up with short description
| for meta tags.
|
| Edit: just saw that there's also a "Key Moments" button too!
|
| >- The $ and \Z anchors are not equivalent. The $ anchor can
| match both the end of string and just before \n if it is the last
| character, while \Z will only match the end of string.
|
| >- You can specify start and end index arguments for compiled
| methods.
|
| >- When using the re.MULTILINE flag, the ^ and $ anchors will
| match at the start and end of every input line, and also after
| the last newline character.
|
| >- Undefined escape sequences will raise an exception.
|
| >- Only octal escapes are allowed inside raw strings in the
| replacement section.
|
| >- Referring to the text matched by a capture group with a
| quantifier will give only the last match, not the entire match.
|
| >- \b[a-z](on|no)[a-z]\b is not same as \b[a-z][on]{2}[a-z]\b.
|
| >- (a*|b*) is not same as (a|b)*.
|
| >- You should always pass flags as a keyword argument for the
| sub() function.
|
| >- When using the regex module, the constants should also be used
| from the regex module.
| imbnwa wrote:
| Anybody else's first instinct was to get the summary of the
| Christian Bible? Isn't able to complete the task in case you're
| interested with the source[0] I submitted.
|
| [0]http://triggs.djvu.org/djvu-
| editions.com/BIBLES/DRV/Download...
| freediver wrote:
| It can ! We set the timeout lower as this got on HN to make
| sure it worked for everyone. Ran this document in backened
| directly and it worked. It is 1600 pages of text and it took
| about 3 mins, but it did produce a summary! To see what, check
| tomorrow as we lift the timeout restriction :)
| mkathuri wrote:
| Hopefully it will work for: THE HISTORY OF TOM JONES, A
| FOUNDLING.
|
| That's another long book I'm curious about ;)
|
| Currently it's just stuck.
| imbnwa wrote:
| OK, now we're talking.
| DoingIsLearning wrote:
| Seems pretty solid for technical documentation! Great job folks
| at kagi!
|
| I tried to break it with the 'Tao of Programming'[0].
|
| It was not particularly outstanding but arguably many real humans
| would also fail to process the allegories/humor and distill that
| text.
|
| [0] https://www.mit.edu/~xela/tao.html
| mkathuri wrote:
| I fed it my own blog post: https://maheepk.net/posts/nothing-to-
| display/
|
| > This week, a person experienced the consequences of a broken
| MacBook Pro display after a fluke of probability. They had to
| resort to using Duet to connect their iPad as a display, and
| Apple's Sidecar was found to be completely useless. The person
| learned lessons about Apple's products, such as the need for more
| durable displays, and the usefulness of Duet. They also learned
| lessons about software development, such as the importance of
| testing accessibility for blind users. Despite the unfortunate
| incident, the person is still looking for a way to make the best
| of the situation.
|
| Compliment aside, seems like a good feature for Orion browser.
| Great work.
| whitten wrote:
| https://www.duetdisplay.com/help-center/how-much-does-duet-c...
| For add-on features for costs when used as a external monitor
| or touchpad.
|
| https://www.duetdisplay.com/help-center/can-i-use-duet-as-th...
| buserror wrote:
| Oh, reminds me I had an email address @kagi.com, a long, long
| time ago :-)
| 13415 wrote:
| I was wondering whether this is still the same company. I
| remember getting cheques from Kagi and German bank employees
| eying them suspiciously.
| buserror wrote:
| I know, for quite a while I got quite a bit of income from
| them, good old day of Mac Sharewares :-)
| thewebcount wrote:
| I asked them one time and they said they have no relation to
| Kee (who ran the shareware processing site), and just bought
| the domain when it was available. No connection to the old
| site. (I also used to get the occasional check from the old
| Kagi!)
| lepht wrote:
| https://kagi.com/faq#kagi-old
|
| Non-affiliated
| pfdietz wrote:
| http://www.kibo.com/kibopost/happyweb/index.shtml
|
| > HappyWeb is a new project that aims to make the Web a better
| place by introducing new features such as more font sizes, more
| colors, alphabetized bookmarks, faster <BLINK>, Y2K problem
| solved, edible eye candy, no viruses, easier on the eyes, new
| HTML tags, and rules and punishments to make everyone happy. It
| also introduces new type styles such as <BW>, <BOLD&SPICY>,
| <FLORIDSCRIPT>, <DISTRESSEDTYPEWRITER>, and <UGLY>. Interesting
| features include the <MAGNET> tag which produces an invisible
| field to drag the surfer's arrow-pointer towards it, and the
| <SMILEY> tag which simplifies the use of smileys. Punishments for
| those who don't follow the rules include being framed, charged a
| nickel, and being forced to watch Fox television programming with
| HTML tags added.
| dchest wrote:
| Tried it with code:
|
| https://bellard.org/quickjs/pi_bigdecimal.js
|
| This code uses the QuickJS bigdecimal type to calculate the value
| of pi to a given precision. It does this by using the Chudnovsky
| algorithm, which is a series of calculations that can be used to
| approximate pi. The code is written in Javascript and uses BigInt
| and BigDecimal to perform the calculations. It is interesting to
| note that the code also takes into account the possibility of bad
| rounding for the last digits, and adds extra digits to reduce the
| probability of this happening.
| qxxx wrote:
| no way! this can also summarize / explain code!? wow!
| moomin wrote:
| It can't. It can _look up_ code.
| californiadreem wrote:
| I'm interested in what the opposite might look like. "What would
| this look like if it were a short book rather than a longform
| article?"
|
| On a different note, the rise of these types of language models
| mirrors what I understand to be the rise of human consciousness--
| a handy heuristic to lean upon that gradually becomes too handy
| to actually put down. Over time, the user is overshadowed by the
| tool and loses sight that any other cognitive world existed. It's
| hard for me not to see Julian Jaynes' idea of bicamerality and
| "verbal delusions" piloting the brain being repeated with
| computers.
|
| In fact, I think I'll use this weekend to go read The Origin of
| Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind with this
| idea in mind.
| rdhyee wrote:
| One of the things I find myself doing a lot is trying to make
| sense of a given HN discussion -- so I fed an archived version of
| this discussion to the summarizer:
| (https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://archive.is/HdWx7):
|
| > Universal Summarizer is a tool developed by Kagi that is able
| to quickly and accurately summarize articles, videos, and other
| texts. It is able to pick out unique and interesting details from
| the text, such as Ratz having a prosthetic arm in the bar in the
| novel Catch 22. It is also able to summarize technical
| documentation and Moby Dick, as well as provide a summary of the
| themes in Walden. It is able to summarize videos as well, and is
| a useful tool for developers to familiarize themselves with
| academic papers. It is also able to provide summaries in multiple
| languages, and is able to detect jokes and humorous elements in
| the text. It is an impressive tool that is sure to be a hit with
| developers and researchers alike.
| [deleted]
| bilater wrote:
| This is really cool. Do you have an API? :)
| freediver wrote:
| We do, and we thought about opening this as a part of other
| APIs we already have.
|
| How would you price this?
| bilater wrote:
| Probably by usage similar to OpenAI since I assume your costs
| are correlated (compute etc).
|
| You could do a hobby plan which is free up to a certain no.
| of requests/tokens per day or hour so developers can start
| building without any friction (I think this is important and
| sort of expected as most beloved dev tools do it). You can
| minimize your costs by offering this on shared resources so
| inference time is a little slow and API can go down at times
| when there is high usage but its free so users wont mind.
|
| And then have pro plans for higher usage / 99.9999 SLA / fast
| inference etc (maybe a min subscription with a pay if you go
| over per 100k tokens option...similar to Vercel with
| bandwidth and serverless functions).
| freediver wrote:
| Cool, pricing per tokens processed makes sense, thanks for
| brainstorming this.
| minxomat wrote:
| Would love to use an API, per token pricing is a good
| approach (with use limits like OpenAI). If you need
| testers, I have some use case (long form non-fiction
| content). LMK at ml[at]summarity[dot]com
| xamdam wrote:
| GPT cannot currently do this (for long documents), and you
| have a commonly requested use case. For now you can charge as
| much as they do and have a decent business I'm guessing, but
| future depends on LLMs from OpenAI and other getting into
| this space.
|
| I would also like to see controllable length output if that's
| feasible with your model.
| Terretta wrote:
| I have a few thousand things to summarize, and am a paying
| subscriber. What happens to my account if I automate your
| page?
|
| I'm happy to pay. I think it's too much but I'd probably
| unhappily pay $0.05 per summary when they're this good. I'd
| rather pay $0.005 or less, then I'd plug it into KB tools
| like Obsidian as well as our bookmarking / link logging
| workflow firm-wide.
|
| Which reminds me, I want to be able to "gift" Kagi search to
| all employees. I actively don't want them to have to use
| Google. Is there a way for an automatic company @domain x per
| seat billing, or should I use gifting?
|
| Finally, what would it take for kagi.com to be part of the
| Apple One / iCloud+ offering? That needs to happen.
| billbrown wrote:
| This? https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-team-plan
| ryanar wrote:
| I grabbed a random article in my to read list and it didn't help
| me understand the article.
|
| https://tasshin.com/blog/strategy-101/
|
| Lots of words I was unfamiliar with because they were domain
| specific terms and they were not defined
| rabahs wrote:
| I was trying to built something similar using GPT3 but I realized
| it was not reliable. I tried Kagi to summarize the link for this
| YC thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34646389
|
| This was the summary:
|
| Jessica Yamada is a therapist working with a patient, Victoria,
| who is struggling with the possibility of uncontrollable,
| incurable plagues. Jessica is also trying to help a young woman,
| Lily, who is torn between fatalism and wanting to help her
| friends stick together. Finally, Jessica is talking to Eidolon, a
| powerful man who is losing his powers and is trying to fight a
| monster to the death. Jessica is trying to help her patients in a
| variety of ways, from providing coping mechanisms to offering
| moral support. She is also encouraging them to push beyond their
| limits and to structure their arguments in a more logical and
| coherent way. An interesting detail is that Ratz, a character in
| the bar in the novel Catch 22, has a prosthetic arm, which adds
| to the atmosphere of the bar. The story highlights the fragility
| of life and the power of the universe, and serves as a reminder
| of the importance of cherishing the time we have on Earth. The
| message of the story is that even in the face of great danger, it
| is possible to find courage and strength in friendship and
| loyalty. Thoreau encourages readers to explore their own inner
| depths and to strive for truth and simplicity. He argues that
| material wealth is not as important as the wealth of the mind,
| and that true happiness comes from within.
| [deleted]
| galleywest200 wrote:
| This works very well! The Key Moments options seems to contains a
| bit more "meat and potatoes" than the normal summary at this
| time. I had it summarize a textbook chapter on cartesian space in
| 3d game development:
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://gamemath.com/book/c...
|
| The final sentence of the summary gave me a chuckle:
| "Interestingly, 360 can be divided evenly in a large number of
| cases without needing fractions, which was apparently a good
| thing to early civilizations."
|
| As well, the Key Moments seemed to grab items that are probably
| not very important: "In 3DS Max, the default orientation of the
| axes is for +x to point right/east, +y to point forward/north,
| and +z to point up."
|
| Cannot wait for this to get tied into Kagi search and for the
| possibility of an API.
| alister wrote:
| The Summarizer uses extra knowledge beyond what's given by the
| URL you submit. I tried giving it a link to a synopsis of
| "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" from IMDB. I then copied and pasted
| the synopsis into a pastebin online content-hosting site, and
| gave the Summarizer the URL of the pastebin. Both results are
| impressive but quite different:
|
| When fed
| https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/plotsummary/?ref_=tt_st... :
|
| Terminator 2: Judgment Day is a 1991 science fiction action film
| that follows the story of John Connor and his mother Sarah as
| they attempt to prevent a nuclear war called Judgment Day. The
| film follows John and Sarah as they are pursued by a T-1000, a
| liquid metal android sent back in time to kill Sarah. John and
| Sarah enlist the help of a reprogrammed Terminator to protect
| them from the T-1000. In the end, John and Sarah manage to
| destroy the T-1000 and the chip that would have caused Judgment
| Day. The film ends with John and Sarah embracing, relieved that
| they have prevented the nuclear war. An interesting aspect of the
| film is the Terminator's ability to learn and understand human
| emotions, which is demonstrated when it refuses to kill John's
| foster parents and when it grasps Sarah's hand in a gesture of
| understanding.
|
| Versus https://pastebin.com/Bk183Jky :
|
| The movie opens with shots of traffic and children in
| playgrounds, followed by a flash-forward to Los Angeles in 2029
| AD. The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day
| are fighting against robotic tanks and androids. John Connor and
| his mother Sarah Connor are on the run from the T-1000, a liquid
| metal android sent to kill them. They enlist the help of the
| Terminator, a cyborg sent from the future to protect them. After
| a series of intense battles, the Terminator and Sarah manage to
| destroy the T-1000 in a pool of molten metal. However, the
| Terminator reminds them that there is still one more chip which
| must be destroyed; it points at its own skull.
|
| Notice that the first summary mentions "1991 science fiction",
| but none of the words science, fiction, or 1991 are to be found
| at that URL.
| PebblesRox wrote:
| Did you try running both examples multiple times? In my
| experience, these LLMs are not deterministic so even the same
| prompt can give some pretty different responses.
| dannywarner wrote:
| Fwiw I use AndiSearch and they already have a great summarizer
| integrated directly into search results that they launched last
| week.
|
| There is a Summarize button on every result card that can show a
| summary. The summaries are much faster. And they are clearly much
| higher quality.
|
| Unlike Kagi, they don't spam every HN post that mentions search
| with shill comments. And unlike Kagi, it is free and anyone can
| use it. It does not require login, so you can use it anonymously.
| This looks like a rushed attempt to copy the AndiSearch summary
| feature.
|
| I already find that the summaries on AndiSearch are so good that
| I can use it to filter which articles I need to read. The Reader
| mode is also very good.
|
| If you like this, I'd recommend comparing it. You can paste in a
| url and get a summary and reader mode for it. I find searching
| for the title works better. I haven't seen it posted here yet.
|
| https://andisearch.com/
| GaggiX wrote:
| I have never used AndiSearch, how can I summarize a video, book
| or pdf with it like Kagi's "universal" summarizer?
| dannywarner wrote:
| I find it does well with ebooks. I haven't tried with pdfs or
| videos. The quality of the AndiSearch summaries for the
| things I use every day like articles, Wikipedia and technical
| documentation is very good.
|
| The Summarize button is on the search results, therefore you
| don't need to visit a separate site and paste in the url.
| Additionally, you already know when a summary is available as
| the button only shows when it is. It is new but already I
| feel that it changes how you use a search engine having this
| feature available right there on the results.
|
| The Kagi one said 'No summary available at this moment,
| please try again later.' for many of the urls I tried.
| GaggiX wrote:
| >I haven't tried with pdfs or videos
|
| It does seem it's not able to do that.
|
| >The Kagi one said 'No summary available at this moment,
| please try again later.' for many of the urls I tried.
|
| I honestly find AndiSearch more finicky in not showing the
| "Summarize" button or giving error.
| dannywarner wrote:
| It is reliable for me. Here is a test to compare. I did a
| search for 'google chatgpt clone'.
|
| AndiSearch generates a good summary for every result.
|
| https://andisearch.com/?q=google+chatgpt+clone
|
| Maybe Kagi has HN hug of death but it returns the 'no
| summary available' message for me now.
| GaggiX wrote:
| >Maybe Kagi has HN hug of death but it returns the 'no
| summary available' message for me now.
|
| what are you entering? It's not a search engine, you need
| to insert a link to an article, book, pdf, video etc...
| Look at the examples.
| dannywarner wrote:
| I am (obviously) copying and pasting the same urls that
| appear in the search results I shared individually into
| the url entry form on the Kagi summarizer page.
| GaggiX wrote:
| If this is the case then it all works for me on the
| Kagi's summarizer (using your example).
| dannywarner wrote:
| Also, being realistic, I do not believe that many normal
| people try to summarize the full text of old public domain
| ebooks. If you search for Moby Dick, much better resources
| come up, and that is what you want a summary for. People want
| a summary when they are searching to know if they should read
| more.
| GaggiX wrote:
| Summarizing long articles, videos, etc. is why these
| summarizers are so useful, you talk about web search but
| what OP linked is not a search engine (the Kagi search
| engine is, but this demo is not, it is just a summarizer
| that you use if you already have, for example, an article
| found on HN), you are talking about two different tools.
| osigurdson wrote:
| My first thought is grabs the text from the website (or
| transcript from a video) and asks GPT-3 to summarize via the API.
| No?
| richmond1111 wrote:
| They said having their own model
| cush wrote:
| Kagi's search blows Google out of the water too
| donnyxokzp wrote:
| no healthy upstream
| rdhyee wrote:
| Not sure what to make of its summary of Moby Dick (as presented
| in the Project Gutenberg text version) --
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://www.gutenberg.org/f....
| The summary is full of platitudes. I'm wondering how they were
| generated. Did they actually arise directly from the text itself
| or from outside commentary of Moby Dick that Kagi had ingested?
|
| > The story follows the adventures of a whaling crew led by
| Captain Ahab, who is obsessed with hunting down a white whale
| named Moby Dick. The crew includes Queequeg, a harpooner from a
| distant island, and Starbuck, the first mate. Along the way, they
| encounter many dangers, including storms, sea monsters, and the
| wrath of Moby Dick himself. The story is a meditation on the
| power of nature, the dangers of obsession, and the importance of
| friendship and loyalty. The message of the story is that even in
| the face of great danger, it is possible to find courage and
| strength in friendship and loyalty.
| rdhyee wrote:
| Compare the summary of the book to the summary of the Wikipedia
| article on Moby Dick (https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://
| en.wikipedia.org/wi...)
|
| > Moby-Dick is a novel by Herman Melville about the obsessive
| quest of Ahab, captain of the whaling ship Pequod, for revenge
| on the white sperm whale Moby Dick, which crippled him on the
| ship's previous voyage. The novel follows Ishmael, a sailor on
| the Pequod, as he narrates the story of Ahab's monomaniacal
| pursuit of Moby Dick. Along the way, Ishmael and his fellow
| crew members encounter a variety of characters and situations,
| including the mysterious Fedallah, a harpooner who prophesies
| Ahab's death; Pip, a young African American cabin-boy who jumps
| in panic from Stubb's whale boat; and the Delight, a whaling
| ship that is badly damaged and with five of her crew left dead
| by Moby Dick. The novel also contains a variety of themes,
| including the nature of evil, the power of fate, and the search
| for identity. Ultimately, the novel suggests that while revenge
| may be a powerful motivator, it can also lead to destruction
| and death.
| nathias wrote:
| very impressive, not a 100% but I did give it a hard text to
| summarize
| brisky wrote:
| Amazing job! I tried to summarize Lithuanian article. It did a
| pretty good job, but for some reason alphabet letters such as
| aceeisz that are unique to Lithuanian were missing from the
| output.
|
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://www.delfi.lt/news/d...
| etra0 wrote:
| I just tried it with a blogpost of my own that's written in a
| _somewhat_ localized Spanish and it summarized it pretty well in
| English, which is quite surprising. Good job team kagi!
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Tried it with Arthur C. Clarke's "La Estrella" ("The Star",
| Spanish version), and it did quite well too, although it
| somewhat downplays the faith crisis at the end.
|
| > Arthur C. Clarke's "La Estrella" tells the story of a group
| of scientists who are exploring a distant star system and
| discover a planet that was once home to an advanced
| civilization. The planet is now a desolate wasteland, but the
| scientists find evidence of the civilization's existence in the
| form of a giant monument and thousands of visual records.
| Through their research, they are able to determine that the
| civilization was destroyed by a supernova that occurred in the
| same year as the birth of Jesus Christ. This discovery leads
| the scientists to question the existence of God and the purpose
| of the universe. The story highlights the fragility of life and
| the power of the universe, and serves as a reminder of the
| importance of cherishing the time we have on Earth.
|
| The key moments are in Spanish for some reason, and half of
| them are hilarious (in a cute naive AI way):
|
| - La fe de Arthur C. Clarke se vio puesta a prueba cuando
| descubrio una estrella que habia explotado hace miles de anos.
|
| - Los astronomos chinos detectaron una supernova en 1054 sin
| saber de que se trataba.
|
| - La nebulosa del Fenix es una cabeza de alfiler, una tenue
| cascara de gas que rodea a una estrella unica.
|
| - Los habitantes de la estrella habian construido un monumento
| de una milla de altura para llamar la atencion de otras razas.
|
| - La explosion de la estrella habia destruido todos los
| planetas que orbitaban alrededor de ella, excepto uno.
|
| - Los habitantes de la estrella habian dejado miles de
| registros visuales y maquinas para proyectar estos, junto con
| instrucciones graficas.
|
| - La civilizacion de la estrella habia sido destruida en pleno
| florecimiento, sin dejar supervivientes.
|
| - Arthur C. Clarke se pregunto si la destruccion de la estrella
| se podia conciliar con la misericordia de Dios.
|
| - Arthur C. Clarke llego a la conclusion de que el Universo no
| ti[truncated]
| noduerme wrote:
| I got a really hilarious response; the bot apparently thought the
| noscript tag was particularly important (Article source[1]):
|
| ChatGPT is a technology that can help writers with their
| projects, but it is not a replacement for real writing. Despite
| feeling overwhelmed and stupid at first, experienced writers know
| that these feelings will eventually pass and they will be able to
| create an argument. This article by Christopher Grobe discusses
| why he is not scared of ChatGPT and how it can help him with his
| writing. He explains that it can help him to see the outline of
| an argument and to address the quibbles and confusions of an
| audience. _He also highlights the importance of allowing
| javascript and access to certain URLs in order to view the
| content of the page. Finally, he encourages readers to contact
| him with their thoughts and questions about the article._
|
| [emphasis mine]
|
| [1] Source: https://www.chronicle.com/article/why-im-not-scared-
| of-chatg...
| dannywarner wrote:
| This from a competing search engine summarizer for that link.
|
| ```ChatGPT can be a useful tool for helping students to develop
| their writing skills and think more critically, but it should
| be used to complement and enhance traditional methods of
| instruction, not replace them. By recognizing the limits of
| ChatGPT and pushing themselves beyond those limits, students
| can learn to identify and address the weaknesses in their own
| writing, and they can learn to structure their arguments in a
| more logical and coherent way.```
| freediver wrote:
| Caused by this, likely what the crawler faced:
|
| https://imgur.com/a/0SqkPM4
|
| Summarizing content is still dependent on pages on the messy
| web being actually read properly.
| grugagag wrote:
| This is hilarious indeed. I expect LLM technology to get better
| but I don't expect the hilarious and nonsensical bits to
| completely disappear. Interesting future...
| xamdam wrote:
| Impressed with their long document summarization, any ideas how
| they do this? Seems beyond normal GPT limitations; either they
| have a more powerful model (doubt it) or hacked around the
| limitations?
|
| e.g. good summary for a very long text
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=http://localroger.com/prime...
| freediver wrote:
| Thanks for noticing! (dev here)
|
| We have an in-house model we've been developing since 2019,
| just for summarization of long documents in real time. We'll
| try to find some time to blog about the high level design.
| xamdam wrote:
| I'd pay for an API to this
| minxomat wrote:
| I second this, API please.
| btown wrote:
| Third this! Firms serving the financial world, tracking
| PR statements, etc. would likely pay high rates for this.
| stavros wrote:
| Is there an API for this? I'd love to make an Alexa skill
| that reads out summarized Wikipedia articles for me.
| bradneuberg wrote:
| Looking forward to a technical writeup on what you all have
| done, looks impressive!
| jamesholden wrote:
| Jealous. I have been trying to 'configure' my own local
| summarizer. As I find the ChatGPT limitations on length to be
| frustrating. For example, I wanted to take a transcription of
| a troubleshooting session with user and support agent (me). I
| wanted a summary of what we did essentially, overall. But
| doing this with ChatGPT takes so. many. copy/paste actions. I
| just wanted to give it all, and say, get a summary of every 5
| minutes.
|
| Secondly, this lab needs to stick around. It makes me want to
| subscribe, just for access to this.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _an in-house model we 've been developing since 2019_
|
| We will be very interested in how you tackled the problem of
| "understanding" the input text - to differentiate it from
| current "fakeries of actual speakers".
|
| I.e. how you implemented the "intelligent" parts - or, which
| simulation of actual intelligent processing (if any) it
| contains.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Well.
|
| > _Case is in a bar called the Chatsubo, a place for professional
| expatriates. He is talking to the bartender, Ratz, who has a
| prosthetic arm. Ratz and Case joke around and then a prostitute
| who was sitting next to Case leaves. Suddenly, a drunken
| Australian starts talking about how the Chinese invented nerve-
| splicing. This causes Case to become bitter and he expresses his
| feelings to his glass. This passage paints a vivid picture of the
| atmosphere in the bar and the characters that inhabit it. The
| interesting detail is that Ratz has a prosthetic arm, which is a
| unique detail that adds to the atmosphere of the bar_
|
| The results are interesting. The in-production use-case, where
| the tech will be most reliable, not evident.
|
| Edit:
|
| It seems (also seeing the "Key moments" section) that elemental
| attempts to understand the details (and structure) of the text
| should output reliability values, and employ them with importance
| towards the final output.
|
| Edit2:
|
| It seems from further tests that the "understanding" may be very
| limited, and that the "trick" is more in terms of "trying to
| identify salient parts and present them reformulated - without
| attempting to understand them".
|
| Edit3:
|
| It seems that the attempt of identification of salient points is
| confirmed as a main mechanism - but, in absence of understanding,
| the re-formulation just degrades information. For example: the
| original being, << _Bronze is the first metal that gets its own
| age, which began around 3300 BCE in Mesopotamia. Other metals
| were certainly in use before it -- especially copper -- but the
| addition of a small amount of tin to existing copper technology
| changed everything. Bronze was a step up in hardness, durability,
| and resistance to corrosion [...]_ >>, the summary << _Bronze is
| the first metal to have its own age, beginning around 3300 BCE in
| Mesopotamia. It was a step up in hardness, durability, and
| resistance to corrosion_ >> betrays faults in changing the
| initial 'gets' to 'have', and in missing that those qualities of
| bronze are there in comparison to copper.
|
| --
|
| ...I see we have a sniper here, as so common: well, do not forget
| to make your criticism explicit (assuming it will just take its
| time to elaborate). Edit: still need more time?
| karaterobot wrote:
| I tried 5 different URLs to mainly text documents, and it said
| "no summary available" for all of them. Is it the hug of death,
| or am I doing something wrong? I'm a Kagi subscriber, logged in
| and everything.
| sinuhe69 wrote:
| Like all other models backed by LLM, Kagi summarizer can process
| text in other languages quite well. I let it summarized for me
| the SPIEGEL interview with Weizenbaum and Heafner 45 years ago,
| and it did a splendid job. The summary was presented in English,
| but the highlights are captured in German.
|
| Of course, it missed some (subjective) important points like
| during the discussion about the principal transferability of
| human experience (and knowledge): we human have our inner values
| and processes, which we could not express (easily) in our
| languages. Therefore, it's also impossible to transfer such human
| experience into the computer.
|
| https://www.spiegel.de/politik/es-ist-eine-explosion-des-qua...
| smusamashah wrote:
| It's very nice. Apparantly it doesn't follow pages of an HN
| thread. It summarized this
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34579175 to mostly about
| staying warm. See
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://news.ycombinator.co...
|
| This is how it summarized Yishan's thread on content moderation
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://twitter.com/yishan/...
| It obviously got confused when he side stepped into his CO2
| mantra middle of the thread.
|
| From these two links, it feels like this engine mostly focuses on
| the beginnings of the URL, things that come later on a page are
| not given the same priority when summarizing.
| impalallama wrote:
| > The Turner Diaries is a novel by Andrew Mac Donald (William
| Pierce) that follows the story of a man named Turner, a member of
| a revolutionary organization that is fighting against the
| oppressive System. Turner and his comrades use acts of terror,
| sabotage, and violence to fight against the System, and they
| eventually succeed in overthrowing it. The novel follows Turner's
| journey as he and his comrades struggle to survive and fight
| against the System, and it also explores the themes of racism,
| civil rights, and the power of the government. The novel
| ultimately conveys the message that violence and terror can be
| used to fight against oppressive systems, but that it should be
| done with caution and with a clear understanding of the
| consequences.
|
| Does an interesting and good job are presenting the problem with
| summarization. You read this and you might think The Turner
| Diaries where a Star Wars adventure story about fighting an evil
| empire.
| [deleted]
| dannywarner wrote:
| This is a completely reasonable and insightful comment.Along
| with any comments critical of Kagi, it is downvoted to
| oblivion. I have to say the way Kagi shills overwhelm any
| discussion on HN is incredibly frustrating. They hijack every
| thread. They even post about HN being their main source of
| customers. They have hacked HN, no two ways about it.
|
| For anyone who might feel I am being unreasonable or that this
| post was somehow wrong-headed, this is Wikipedia's description
| of The Turner Diaries.
|
| "The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by William Luther Pierce,
| published under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. It depicts a
| violent revolution in the United States which leads to the
| overthrow of the federal government, a nuclear war, and,
| ultimately, a race war which leads to the systematic
| extermination of non-whites. All groups opposed by the novel's
| protagonist, Earl Turner--including Jews, non-whites, "liberal
| actors", and politicians--are murdered en masse."
|
| The commenter was reasonable.
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| A while back I recorded an unscripted youtube video with some of
| my thoughts about automation and economics. In the end I felt the
| video was long winded and unfocused, and that I should certainly
| focus on scripted content in the future (which I have
| subsequently done on my other channel). However this summarizer
| took seconds and produced what I thought was a decent summary of
| my video.
|
| Video since someone will ask: https://youtu.be/Sx_2-xwWJUk
|
| Summary: "Taylor Alexander is a robotics enthusiast who is
| working on a four-axis 3D printed robot arm. He is interested in
| the economic analysis of Karl Marx and Richard Wolff, and
| believes that collective ownership of businesses has certain
| benefits. He suggests that people should form cooperatives to
| create a more equitable economy. He also talks about the
| potential of robots to automate production and eliminate
| complexity in the economy, and suggests that if people own the
| machines that produce what they need, they will receive the
| benefits of their production. He also talks about the potential
| of open source hardware, and how it could be used to create
| robots that produce goods at a low marginal cost. Finally, he
| talks about the importance of nutrition and how it can help
| people lead healthier lives."
|
| Not to attract weird comments but I find it interesting that it
| chose to use he/him pronouns for me, even though I specifically
| intro myself in the video saying I use they/them pronouns. The
| summary of the video is otherwise pretty great.
| tkgally wrote:
| I just tried the same thing with an unscripted 23-minute video
| I recorded and put on YouTube in December. If I were to use
| Kagi's summary myself, I would want to make minor changes to
| the wording in a couple of places; otherwise it is perfect.
|
| Here's the video and the summary:
|
| https://youtu.be/KwNhAzQN-Nc
|
| "Open AI's release of Chat GPT two weeks ago has caused
| shockwaves around the world. This AI has the potential to
| revolutionize language learning and teaching, as it can provide
| human-like interaction and adapt to the learner's needs.
| Previous attempts to use technology for language learning have
| largely failed due to the lack of human interaction and
| motivation. Chat GPT could provide a solution to this, as it
| could be used to create conversations, explain language, and
| build vocabulary. It could also be used to create virtual
| characters that are attractive to users. While there is a
| concern that this technology could replace language teachers,
| it is likely that their role will become more like a coach,
| encouraging and motivating students."
| greentimer wrote:
| Idea: create a website that hosts the questions and responses
| from summarizers and language models on a webpage like
| StackOverflow. If Google implemented this it could save their
| business from ChatGPT.
| diimdeep wrote:
| I guess it is a good way to crowdsource search index.
|
| The thing about Google search and byproducts, is that I start to
| think it is deliberately crippled by US gov. Power structures. I
| can not explain any other way why it sucks so much and there is
| zero to none innovation, at least that available to the end
| users.
| srhtftw wrote:
| Here is the summary it gives for Walden: Conclusion
| https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Walden_(1893)_Thoreau/Chapter...
|
| _In Walden, Thoreau encourages readers to explore their own
| inner depths and to strive for truth and simplicity. He argues
| that material wealth is not as important as the wealth of the
| mind, and that true happiness comes from within. He also
| encourages readers to be independent and to take risks, and to
| not be afraid to explore the unknown. He compares the courage of
| a soldier to that of a footpad, and suggests that it is nobler to
| explore one 's own inner world than to chase after material
| possessions. He also suggests that it is better to be content
| with what one has than to strive for superfluous wealth. He
| concludes by encouraging readers to strive for truth and to not
| be afraid to explore the unknown._
|
| I think shows the limits of these kinds of statistical word
| approaches. They aren't necessary "wrong" but they fail to give
| any sense of the spirit of optimism in the original. I would have
| been far more impressed if it just quoted the ending:
|
| _The life in us is like the water in the river. It may rise this
| year higher than man has ever known it, and flood the parched
| uplands; even this may be the eventful year, which will drown out
| all our muskrats. It was not always dry land where we dwell. I
| see far inland the banks which the stream anciently washed,
| before science began to record its freshets. Every one has heard
| the story which has gone the rounds of New England, of a strong
| and beautiful bug which came out of the dry leaf of an old table
| of apple-tree wood, which had stood in a farmer 's kitchen for
| sixty years, first in Connecticut, and afterward in Massachusetts
| -- from an egg deposited in the living tree many years earlier
| still, as appeared by counting the annual layers beyond it; which
| was heard gnawing out for several weeks, hatched perchance by the
| heat of an urn. Who does not feel his faith in a resurrection and
| immortality strengthened by hearing of this? Who knows what
| beautiful and winged life, whose egg has been buried for ages
| under many concentric layers of woodenness in the dead dry life
| of society, deposited at first in the alburnum of the green and
| living tree, which has been gradually converted into the
| semblance of its well-seasoned tomb -- heard perchance gnawing
| out now for years by the astonished family of man, as they sat
| round the festive board -- may unexpectedly come forth from
| amidst society's most trivial and handselled furniture, to enjoy
| its perfect summer life at last!_
|
| _I do not say that John or Jonathan will realize all this; but
| such is the character of that morrow which mere lapse of time can
| never make to dawn. The light which puts out our eyes is darkness
| to us. Only that day dawns to which we are awake. There is more
| day to dawn. The sun is but a morning star._
| yunwal wrote:
| This is quite a bit better than all of the other attempts at
| building AI summarizers I've seen. One thing that's really nice
| about it is that it seems to pick out surprising or unique
| information, rather than just trying to provide the most general
| abstraction or summary of the article. My team has a journal club
| where we go through ML papers, and I feel like this will be a
| good tool to familiarize myself with academic papers before going
| into the details.
| hackernewds wrote:
| it's very good at that..how does it manage to do that?
| wongarsu wrote:
| Things that are unsurprising probably are frequently
| mentioned in the training data. Just based on that you would
| expect that language models have an easy time judging how
| novel information is, you just have to get it to use that
| information.
|
| I would expect GPT3 to be able to do that, but I don't think
| this is GPT
| nvr219 wrote:
| I had it summarize a recipe for me. It did a good job, but
| definitely editorialized. The URL I sent included just the recipe
| for split pea soup, but the summary added that "Split pea soup is
| a hearty and comforting dish that is easy to make" (which is
| true, but wasn't in the original) and said that the soup "is sure
| to be a hit with the whole family" (again, true, but wasn't in
| the original). So I feel like "summary" isn't the right word
| exactly. Still amazing. I tested it with a bunch of different
| blog posts that I was very familiar with and the summary always
| turned out accurate.
| Brian_K_White wrote:
| This should be more visible.
|
| Both in terms of "everyone should see this comment" and "maybe
| Kagi should be labelling this more truthfully"
| Semaphor wrote:
| To be fair, it's also under the `labs` subdomain, which is
| their experimental stuff.
| rpastuszak wrote:
| " Rafal Pastuszak is available throughout the week for a coffee
| and a chat about ideas big and small. He also has a bi-weekly
| 2h slot which he uses for pair programming and mentoring
| sessions with friends, old and new. He also offers a 3 minute
| rant session, where he listens to the other person rant and
| then they spend the remaining 7 minutes contemplating the
| pointlessness of their endeavors.
|
| Rafal is interested in a wide range of topics, from product
| development to mental health, and from photography to emerging
| technologies. He is also open to pair programming with anyone
| on their own problem. His goal is to get to know people and
| what they have been up to.
|
| It's an interesting offer for anyone looking for someone to
| bounce off an idea or learn something new."
|
| Fair enough, there's a bit of editorialising but the main gist
| is fine.
| jll29 wrote:
| It's not "editorialized" in the sense that there are no humans
| involved.
|
| There are two types of automatic document summarization
| methods, abstractive and extractive.
|
| Abstractive analyze the original and then synthesize a summary,
| whereas extractive summaries are concatenated projections
| (sequences of text spans) from the original text.
|
| The phenomenon you observed suggests this was produced by an
| abstractive summarizer. Pre-trained neural language models for
| abstractive summarizations that create pieces of new text that
| are untrue or make sense is a phenomenon often referred to as
| "hallucinating" models. In my research, I found extractive
| summaries are more suitable for professional applications;
| extractive models never hallucinate, and the worst mistakes are
| (1) leaving out an important part and (2) creating
| misunderstandings through left out context.
|
| The leaders in the field of summarization research do not
| believe there can be something like a "universal summarizer",
| because the same document can be summarized for very different
| purposes, even by the same person on different occasions). For
| example, a lawyer may read a case summary one time to get up to
| speed about what her client got accused of in a lower court
| trial, and ten years later she may refer so said case again for
| a trial procedural detail that re-occurred in another case on a
| completely different subject matter.
| visarga wrote:
| > So I feel like "summary" isn't the right word exactly.
|
| Might be a close cousin of hallucination.
| moomin wrote:
| Bluntly, it doesn't work. I handed it this:
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://www.gutenberg.org/c...
|
| It correctly identified it as War and Peace, then gave a standard
| spiel and War and Peace, along with a bunch of bullet points none
| of which were "Key Moments". But... it didn't actually read it.
| If it had, it might have noticed that I only linked to Book 1.
|
| But I could have figured out it was War and Peace just by reading
| the title, and half of the rest from the wikipedia page.
| dakiol wrote:
| Impressive.
|
| URL: https://qntm.org/responsibility
|
| Summary:
|
| > This story follows Tim and Diane, two scientists who have
| successfully built a quantum computer. They use it to simulate a
| universe, and eventually discover that they are in fact living in
| a simulation themselves. They realize that any changes they make
| to the simulation will be reflected in their own universe, and
| must be careful not to do anything that could be harmful. They
| also discover that the simulation is part of an infinite tower of
| quantum computers, with their own universe being near the bottom.
| This realization is both exciting and daunting, as they now have
| the power to play God, but must be careful not to do anything
| that could have disastrous consequences.
|
| Could it be using ChatGPT behind the curtains?
| sbierwagen wrote:
| Openai charges per token of input, a summarizing service where
| you feed it large amounts of input would have lousy economics.
| langsoul-com wrote:
| Isn't the economics of all chatgpt related products just
| charging more than they paid for use?
| sshb wrote:
| Here's a small API wrapper in Go:
| https://github.com/sashabaranov/kagi-summarizer-api
| burkaman wrote:
| This is much better than I expected, it's given a good answer for
| everything I've tried so far.
|
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://timecube.2enp.com
|
| > Dr. Gene Ray is a scientist and philosopher who has discovered
| the Time Cube, a mathematical proof that there are four
| simultaneous 24 hour days in a single rotation of the Earth. He
| believes that the academic and religious teaching of singularity
| is boring and evil, and that it is destroying the analytical
| brain of humanity. He has offered a $10,000 reward to Wikipedia
| to disprove his math, and has been interviewed on Air America
| Radio. He believes that the nuclear waste burial in Nevada is an
| example of evil stewardship, and that the only way to save
| humanity is to acknowledge the Cubic Creation Principle of
| opposites. He believes that educators are lying bastards who
| suppress Cubic Creation debate, and that students should demand
| free speech to discuss it. He believes that belief in a nonvalue
| god equates to nonacceptance of Cubic knowledge, and that word
| has no inherent value.
| widowlark wrote:
| wow, it made a succint and understandable summary of one of the
| most incomprehensible websites ever in like, seconds
| capableweb wrote:
| About the author Gene Ray:
|
| > Dr. Otis Eugene "Gene" Ray was an electrician and inventor
| who created the website for Time Cube in 1997. He proclaimed
| himself a Doctor of Cubism and Wisest Human in 2002 and was
| known for his anti-Semitic, homophobic, and racist views. He
| ran four separate websites, all revolving around his apparent
| insanity, and promised $10,000 to anyone who could refute the
| Time Cube theory. He died in 2015 at the age of 87, but his
| domain registration for timecube.com was renewed in 2015 under
| his name. His most coherent sentence was "God is the supreme
| excuse for human adults to absolve themselves of any obligation
| to preserve natural resources for their own children during
| their lifetime." His most famous quote is "1 x 1 = +1 is stupid
| and evil."
|
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://rationalwiki.org/wi...
| schoen wrote:
| Oops, the summarizer lost some minus signs there! The
| original quote is actually
|
| > -1 x -1 = +1 is stupid and evil.
| bradneuberg wrote:
| I threw a few different things at it and it did pretty well IMHO:
| https://twitter.com/bradneuberg/status/1621619127545905152?s...
| lobocinza wrote:
| Really cool. I was think on hacking something similar for
| personal use, thankfully I discovered this.
| sorry_i_lisp wrote:
| I put in a (mostly) transcript of the Randy Pausch lecture on
| Time Management [1] and the summarizer gave me:
|
| _Time management is an important skill to have in order to lead
| a happier and more productive life. Julie A. Zelenski, a
| professor at UVA, gave a talk on time management, drawing from
| two books and her own experiences. She recommends having a filing
| system, using speaker phones, and standing during phone calls to
| save time. She also suggests doing the ugliest task first, having
| a timer on the phone, and leaving thank-you notes on the desk.
| Zelenski also recommends scheduling meetings, phone calls, and
| mundane tasks, and treating people with respect and dignity. An
| interesting point she made was to use a power drill to carve
| pumpkins instead of a knife!_
|
| Julie Zelenski, ha. AI be dreamin'.
|
| I liked the examples and you're always going to have some weird
| loss of content when you summarize but the AI taking the joke by
| Randy and then imagining a surname is still amusing.
|
| [1] https://jamesclear.com/great-speeches/time-management-by-
| ran...
| [deleted]
| jstrieb wrote:
| Here is a quick bookmarklet that uses this to open the summary
| for the current page in a new tab.
|
| Highlight the following and drag it to your bookmarks bar.
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| rkagerer wrote:
| I asked it to summarize this HN comment page, and all it talks
| about are the Turner Diaries. Any idea why it's fixated on
| impalallama's comment?
|
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://archive.ph/3JDtf
| freediver wrote:
| It is because of the cache, as someone probably summarized the
| page very early on.
|
| Current summary straight from the API:
|
| "Universal Summarizer is a tool developed by Kagi that is able
| to quickly and accurately summarize articles, videos, and other
| texts. It is able to pick out unique and interesting details
| from the text, such as the fact that a character in a book has
| a prosthetic arm, or that a certain card is legal in Legacy but
| not in Modern or Historic. It is also able to provide summaries
| of complex texts, such as Herman Melville's Moby Dick, and even
| provide summaries of technical documentation. It is also able
| to summarize texts in different languages, such as Spanish. The
| tool is also able to provide summaries of videos, and is able
| to provide summaries of texts that are difficult to summarize,
| such as the allegories and humor in the Tao of Programming. It
| is an impressive tool that is sure to be a great asset to the
| Kagi search engine, and could be used to improve the results
| and UI of the main search product."
| langsoul-com wrote:
| Just tried my own blog article and it's pretty accurate.
|
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://langsoul.com/blog/l...
|
| This blog post explores the idea that reading can help us
| understand the perspectives of others and shape our own views. It
| also discusses the limitations of reading, such as not being able
| to experience the calming effects of the sea or the grandeur of
| nature. The author then shares a personal experience of a 2km
| walk that turned out to be a path of suffering, with multiple
| inclines and hills. He emphasizes that only through experiencing
| the pain and exhaustion of the journey can one truly understand
| the path of suffering. This post highlights the importance of
| experiencing life in order to gain a deeper understanding of it.
| azubinski wrote:
| I imagine a combination of: RSS reader (something like Feedly) +
| some kind of embedded "semantic preview" for the long articles
| (Summarizer) + any kind of offline "read it later" service for
| the articles distilled from web 2.x or web 3.x or web N.x
| artifacts.
|
| I'll pay for such a service each month and will be happy.
|
| I donate the idea to the author of the Summarizer :)
| netman21 wrote:
| I am looking for an AI that can say what a company does, even put
| it in a category. Sadly this solution incorporates the marketing
| jargon when I tested it: "Leading," etc.
| sorokod wrote:
| First chapter of Catch 22 - comically low quality
|
| URL: https://thefreeonlinenovel.com/con/catch-22_chapter-1---
| the-...
|
| Summary
|
| Yossarian is in the hospital with a pain in his liver that falls
| just short of being jaundice. He is comfortable in the hospital
| and censors letters to pass the time. One day, the chaplain
| arrives and Yossarian is surprised to find that they have a
| mutual friend. The chaplain is shy and apologetic, but Yossarian
| is friendly and warm. He warns the chaplain of the craziness of
| the other wards, and the chaplain promises to be careful. In the
| ward, there is a soldier in white with two useless legs and two
| useless arms, and a colonel with a vortex of specialists trying
| to determine what is wrong with him. The woman with curly ash-
| blond hair visits him every day. Eventually, the patients start
| to leave the hospital, and Yossarian tells the doctors that his
| pain has gone away.
| alexashka wrote:
| When I link it to a well known piece of text, does it go to its
| wikipedia page (or something of the sort) and summarize _that_ ,
| instead of analyzing the actual text?
|
| For example I linked to Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche - I
| got a summary that highly resembles something a wiki page would
| say about the text and quite unlike what I'd expect from reading
| the text itself.
|
| I've gotten a very similar feeling giving it Plato's Republic.
|
| Update: I've linked it to The Idiot by Dostoevsky and it didn't
| do well at all. Strange piece of technology - reminiscent of
| ChatGPT.
| mofreelumch wrote:
| Summarized a little-known record label, and even seems to have
| inferred some of the label's ethics. There are a couple goofs
| from parsing the bandcamp page (the label offers "download help"
| and some goofs where album titles are listed as artists, but
| generally quite impressive:
|
| Fire Is Free is a transient private press bedroom label for
| psychedelic space-noise drones and other music. It features a
| variety of artists, such as Hlmn, Agreeable Goldmines,
| Versioning, A Beamed Gelling Rose, and more. The label offers
| streaming and download help, and all of its music is copyright-
| free. It is an interesting example of a DIY label that is
| dedicated to creating and sharing music without any restrictions.
| The label's catalogue includes a variety of genres, from ambient
| and dub to acid and noise, making it a great resource for fans of
| experimental music.
| deviner wrote:
| doesn't work on my articles
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| Quite useful IMHO to summarize some Hacker News posts, here's an
| example [0].
|
| Funny story: I tried to build something like this years ago,
| called MNMN, guessing that AI would have eventually be able to do
| the summarizes well enough. [1]
|
| The name was a play on the song "Manamana".
|
| [0]:
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://plei.one/blog/flutt...
|
| [1]: https://github.com/simonebrunozzi/MNMN
| Gys wrote:
| The song being https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ ?
|
| It surely reminded me of that one!
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| Yes! Even better, this [0]. Elio is a famous Italian singer.
|
| [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dN0EYphtA0
| Gys wrote:
| Great! Thank you!
| causality0 wrote:
| I fed it The Last Question. While the resulting summary is
| impressive, I suspect there may be some cheating/plagiarism going
| on because it includes commentary with no origin in the text.
|
| _The Last Question is a science fiction short story by Isaac
| Asimov about two attendants of Multivac, a giant computer, who
| make a bet over highballs. The question they ask is whether
| mankind will ever be able to restore the sun to its full
| youthfulness even after it had died of old age. The story follows
| the question through the centuries as mankind develops
| interstellar travel and builds a better and more intricate
| computer, the Universal AC. In the end, the Universal AC is
| unable to answer the question due to insufficient data, but it is
| able to demonstrate the answer, restoring the Universe from
| chaos. This story is a fascinating exploration of the power of
| technology and the limits of human knowledge._
| anyfoo wrote:
| It's interesting. Feels like an answer that someone who didn't
| know about, or not understand, the concepts of the story
| (mostly entropy) would give.
| fassssst wrote:
| It works on Amazon product pages and news home pages. Wow.
| nxpnsv wrote:
| I tried it to summarise some of my own blogs posts, it is pretty
| good. Sometimes the summary makes the same point several times,
| and its tendency to insert content not in the source material
| makes it hard to trust.
| version_five wrote:
| I pay for Kagi search. This doesn't interest me in the least.
| They have been breaking down the costs of running their business
| and justifying their prices, which I'm cool with. If it turns out
| I'm paying to subsidize this kind of thing, it's not going to
| work for me anymore.
|
| (I don't mean to say it's bad or anything, just I don't care
| about it. It's an interesting downside of a paid business model.
| Google can do whatever because it's all "free" but presumably
| paying customers care more about not paying for a bunch of stuff
| they don't want)
| yunwal wrote:
| Seems weird as a customer of a search engine to not care about
| an innovation that's so tightly related to search. The ability
| to accurately synthesize information is something that will
| almost definitely be used to improve results and UI of the main
| search product.
| [deleted]
| Xeophon wrote:
| Im on the opposite site: Currently, I do not use Kagi. Such
| features would convince me to switch (and therefore, pay).
| GaggiX wrote:
| I do not pay for the Kagi search engine, but it is quite
| obvious to me that this powerful summarizer will greatly help
| the search engine, which will soon be able to easily index
| videos, pdfs, books, etc. and extract the most relevant content
| from it with ease.
| mberning wrote:
| I don't know why. Most businesses work on projects that are not
| strictly related to the core product. Imagine how much cheaper
| your iPhone would be if you weren't subsidizing apple car,
| augmented reality research, etc.
| duckmysick wrote:
| I imagine an iPhone wouldn't exist if its research wasn't
| subsidized with Macs or iPads earlier.
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| Figuring out what a document is about is one of the most
| central problems in building a search engine. Being able to
| regurgitate it in a way that makes sense to humans is just a
| nice benefit.
| dimgl wrote:
| Would you recommend Kagi search to look up software dev?
| sorry_i_lisp wrote:
| I also pay for Kagi search and have a usage value of ~55% from
| what I pay and I'm fine with experiments.
| billbrown wrote:
| Oof, that inspired me to check and mine's at 17%. I'm fine
| with experiments, too. (It reminds me of the old Google Labs
| part of search.)
| version_five wrote:
| Right, maybe I should have framed my comment a bit
| differently: this is not core functionality I would pay for.
|
| Experiments are cool and it would be dumb to make suggestions
| about how they do R&D. I was more reacting to the thought
| that this would become part of the product offering.
| qxxx wrote:
| this is really awesome. Especially for people who are dyslexic or
| can't concentrate for a while by reading longer texts. At least
| they will know what the article is about. I also like the "key
| points" button.
| soferio wrote:
| I just tested it on the full text of a legal case in which I was
| involved (as a lawyer). It prepared a superb summary. But then I
| tested it on a second, more complex, case, and it did an average
| job.
| readonthegoapp wrote:
| I tried an article and it said article not ready yet.
| readonthegoapp wrote:
| > No matter how hard you try, you will never see any ads in
| Kagi!
|
| famous last words. :-/
| ume wrote:
| Ouch! Horribly wrong on https://www.agedfish.com/blog/meiwaku-
| and-the-brompton-bell....
|
| Maybe the Star Wars reference threw it.
| mkaic wrote:
| This is nothing short of remarkable! The video summary in
| particular feels like magic. I am exceptionally eager to learn
| more about their datasets, model architecture, and training
| process.
| pyjarrett wrote:
| I signed up for Kagi last month, and haven't used another search
| engine since.
|
| I've already gotten my money back in time savings from good
| search results, I didn't realize they were also working on other
| valuable things like this as well.
| breck wrote:
| This is really good. Well done!
| [deleted]
| youssefabdelm wrote:
| PLEASE make this work with question answering
| freediver wrote:
| Funny that you mention it, as that is exactly what we have been
| working on :)
|
| It is not publicly linkable but we demoed this in our Discord
| few days ago (check #ai channel)
|
| https://kagi.com/discord
| ReallyOldLurker wrote:
| Awesome - I went to Project Gutenberg, picked a title that I was
| curious about but for which the Bibliographic Record does not
| have a description. Gave the Kagi Summarizer the URL to the HTML
| version of the book and got a good description. Finally a way to
| make my book browsing easier!!!
|
| I wonder if the summarizer's summary can be added to the Project
| Gutenberg Bibliographic Record?
| TradingPlaces wrote:
| So far pretty good. I am a Kagi Search subscriber, and they keep
| surprising me to the upside.
|
| Jerome Powell's press conference
| https://www.federalreserve.gov/mediacenter/files/FOMCprescon...
|
| At a press conference on February 1, 2023, Chair Powell of the
| Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) discussed the FOMC's
| decision to raise the policy interest rate by 25 basis points.
| Powell noted that recent indicators point to modest growth of
| spending and production this quarter, and that job gains have
| been robust, with employment rising by an average of 247,000 jobs
| per month over the last three months. He also noted that total
| PCE prices rose 5.0 percent over the 12 months ending in
| December, and that core PCE prices rose 4.0 percent. Powell
| emphasized that the FOMC is strongly committed to returning
| inflation to its 2 percent objective, and that the Committee
| decided to raise interest rates by 25 basis points today in order
| to assess the economy's progress toward its goals. He also noted
| that the FOMC is carefully watching the economy and inflation,
| and that it is important that overall financial conditions
| continue to reflect the policy restraint that is being put in
| place in order to bring inflation down to 2 percent. Powell
| concluded that his base case is that the economy can return to 2
| percent inflation without a significant downturn or increase in
| unemployment.
| hoofedear wrote:
| I tried this with a random Magic the Gathering card:
| https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=https://scryfall.com/card/m...
|
| > Jubilant Mascot is a 1/1 creature with an ability that allows
| you to pay {3}{W} at the beginning of combat on your turn to
| support two other target creatures. This means that you can put a
| +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.
| Support can target a creature another player controls, and
| multiple abilities can target the same creature. If some, but not
| all, targets for a spell become illegal, the remaining targets
| are affected as appropriate. It is interesting to note that
| Jubilant Mascot is legal in Legacy, but not in Modern or
| Historic.
|
| Pretty neat how it picked out an interesting fact about the cards
| legality. And it seems to handle parsing what a keyword does.
|
| Very cool stuff!
| probably_wrong wrote:
| > _Pretty neat how it picked out an interesting fact about the
| cards legality_
|
| Based on my experiments plus some of the comments here it looks
| as if the intro "It is interesting to note" happens quite
| often.
|
| My guess is that it finds a main thread, keeps it in the
| summarization, and then adds the nearest outlier as
| "interesting fact".
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