[HN Gopher] Elementary OS 7
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Elementary OS 7
Author : Quot
Score : 118 points
Date : 2023-01-31 18:04 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| segaboy81 wrote:
| I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of
| those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers
| racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off
| on YouTube.
|
| I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over
| Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors
| is money ill-spent.
| cp9 wrote:
| Okay!
| nightowl_games wrote:
| Aesthetics by default matter a ton. I'm on Linux Mint basically
| completely because I like the Cinnamon DE. Elementary looks
| great.
| [deleted]
| pacifika wrote:
| If you find gnome too ugly and kde not opinionated enough then
| this is worth a try.
| phaedryx wrote:
| My kids like it better than any other distro. I've donated a
| bit of money from time to time because that's what my kids use.
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| I like some of the built-in apps they have. They're nicely done
| and they're fast, I just wish regular Ubuntu would of adopted
| them into their ecosystem officially. I have no sane way to
| pull them into POP OS which I prefer for the OOTB experience I
| have.
| [deleted]
| Kukumber wrote:
| Most beautiful and polished distro, the UI/UX is consistent
| across the entire ecosystem, that's great to see
|
| I still find it sad that they mimic the stupid gnome design
| philosophy WRT the top bar, the lack of proper global menu is a
| shame
|
| The way they do window maximize/minimize is also weird
|
| 2 points i find deal breaker unfortunately, but that's their
| vision and that's respectable
| dualboot wrote:
| Information that wasn't quickly groked from their website but
| some digging(thanks Wikipedia) revealed.
|
| It's based on Ubuntu LTS, so a Debian-descendant.
|
| I appreciate they're trying to provide a specific type of
| experience, and it's not really a criticism but as a 30+ year
| Linux user -- with any new distro that's my first question.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Where is Wayland support standing for Elementary? I'm glad the
| project is still around, but the dream of a Mac-like HID
| experience won't be complete without gesture support and smooth
| windowing. Now that KDE and GNOME are both using Wayland sessions
| and implement 1:1 touchpad gestures, it's hard to recommend the
| Pantheon desktop (even if a lot of the apps are excellent!)
| pacifika wrote:
| Wayland is not in this release.
| jchw wrote:
| I hate to add even more of a wishlist, but in addition to
| moving towards a Wayland environment, it would be nice to see
| an immutable root as well. SteamOS on deck has sold me on this
| concept; as long as there's plenty of escape hatches and the
| ability to disable it, I view it as a plus, and no doubt it
| makes updates excellent. These two features would make
| Elementary OS the very obvious recommendation for anyone
| curious about Linux but wanting an environment that actually
| works and looks nice. Today on Linux, it feels like you are
| more often than not stuck between choosing one or the other...
|
| Regarding Wayland, it looks like it has been hacked on here and
| there but doesn't seem to be a priority yet:
|
| https://github.com/elementary/gala/wiki/Experimenting-with-W...
|
| Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better
| stability with Wayland compositors.
| smoldesu wrote:
| As a NixOS user I'll generally agree, as long as there are
| still options for people who want to use Pantheon on a more
| traditional OS. Immutable roots are cool, but feel like a
| novelty when so much software breaks under it. Great to have
| as an option for sure though.
|
| > Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have
| better stability with Wayland compositors.
|
| I think Nvidia's support is pretty much complete. Plasma
| fixed almost all of it's Wayland/Nvidia bugs (as far as I can
| see on my desktop) and Mutter has an Nvidia rewrite on the
| roadmap IIRC. Still not perfect, but the new drivers have
| stopped 95% of the major glitching caused with the old ones.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Hoping that mutter rewrite comes sooner than later.
| Currently running GNOME on a Fedora/Nvidia box and it's
| frustrating to lose features like Night Light when running
| Wayland with proprietary drivers, as is the glitchiness of
| Electron apps under GNOME+Wayland+Nvidia (for instance, VS
| Code is a flickery mess with that setup).
| smoldesu wrote:
| Here's hoping. Things are much smoother on KDE for me,
| the developers really hauled ass to get the Plasma
| session working nicely. As of 5.26, I think the only
| remaining major issue is that it doesn't keep track of
| monitor configuration, which is due to be solved in 3
| weeks with the release of 5.27.
|
| I got Electron apps working nicely by forcing GPU
| acceleration, but even still I prefer to use the web
| versions of Discord and Spotify. Firefox has really nice
| Wayland support, replacing most of my Electron apps
| besides VS Code and Obsidian.
| jchw wrote:
| We still have to contend with the implicit sync issues when
| dealing with NVIDIA drivers; there has been work to
| untangle the mess there, but it's not done yet to my
| knowledge.
|
| Context: https://www.collabora.com/news-and-
| blog/blog/2022/06/09/brid...
|
| Edit: also a NixOS user, BUT: I am suggesting something
| more like SteamOS with ABRoot. It's not exactly a solved
| problem, but I think that future solutions should be
| focused on not needing to modify the root to deal with
| things like drivers and system configuration.
| leonidasv wrote:
| According to their Github, it hasn't progressed much since
| 2020-2021[1]. Apparently, there is still a Gala issue and bugs
| related to Plank Dock/Wingpanel holding it back[2]. There's
| also a proposal for a Wayland Dock for Elementary OS 7[3] that
| doesn't seem to have advanced much.
|
| It seems like it was scheduled to be released by version 7, but
| priorities have changed. Let's hope they can polish it for 8.
|
| [1] https://github.com/orgs/elementary/projects/12
|
| [2] https://github.com/elementary/gala/wiki/Experimenting-
| with-W...
|
| [3] https://github.com/orgs/elementary/projects/99
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| It's come to the point where the single deciding factor when I
| decide on which Linux distribution I select is whether it has
| decent support for fractional scaling. AFAIK, Pop! is the only
| one that almost gets it right.
|
| Sad state for Linux on the desktop.
| pacifika wrote:
| Elementary reimagines the desktop experience which can take a few
| days getting used to, however once you do it does a lot of things
| consistently and intuitively. So much more responsive than macOS
| and with nice apps, on top of Ubuntu LTS HWE kernel.
| sprkwd wrote:
| Is it still impossible to save files onto the desktop?
| pacifika wrote:
| You can save files in the desktop folder but you can't see
| files on the desktop area.
| bitigchi wrote:
| You can't make this up.
| matejn wrote:
| I do the same on Windows. There's an option to hide icons
| on the desktop.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS,
| but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished
| from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a
| dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue
| to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.
| gradExMachina wrote:
| Perhaps you are thinking of Skewomorphism as opposed to Flat
| design?
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| That is maybe a facet of the change, but there's more to it.
|
| It's also a certain attention to detail with regard to things
| like use of whitespace, the layout and flow of widgets, the
| types of widgets used, and user experience in general. These
| things have become increasingly phoned-in, with little
| thought applied; just dump it all into a grid and apply
| copious padding and you're done. Things that don't fit get
| removed or buried in dialog tunnels and there is no effort to
| make anything clear to the user.
|
| There have been flat designs in the past that don't suffer
| these issues, like the earlier designs of Mac OS (System
| 1.0-7.5), which worked fine on 1-bit and grayscale displays
| but had a _lot_ of thought and research put into their user
| experience.
|
| This all got thrown out in the transition to flat design. Not
| only was skeumorphism discarded, but so was care for UI/UX in
| general. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with
| questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest
| one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to
| 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for
| the adventurous either.
|
| That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything
| out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the
| latest features and make sure you are secure? That's so bad, it
| feels like false marketing to call it "Elementary OS." You
| might as well download a random customized Windows ISO from the
| internet and disable Windows Update forever. At least Microsoft
| Edge would still get updates for years but Elementary OS's
| browser won't for very long. Unless, of course, you enjoy
| taking personal responsibility for updating every PC of those
| non-technical folks you recommend it to or install it for. I'd
| happily install it for quite a few relatives who would
| otherwise use Chromebooks, but that's a big showstopper.
|
| I can read about how they've improved the Music app or made the
| App Center better for developers all day, but they have this
| massive hole in the ship that makes it fundamentally unsuitable
| for the intended purpose and they still haven't fixed it after
| 7 versions. Elementary users don't find pleasure in
| reinstalling their OS on weekends.
| garbagecoder wrote:
| I once tried to make its DE work on another distro and it
| wasn't great, but it wasn't a full effort. Wish that could be
| easier, because as you say, the no upgrades thing bugs.
| hugs wrote:
| Yes, they lost me on the lack of upgrades. When a new version
| came out, I saw there were a few random blogs posts on how to
| do a very much unsupported upgrade through the command line.
| But I avoided the risk. Since I'd have to do a reinstall
| anyway, I downloaded stock Ubuntu and never looked back. And
| I was a happy Elementary OS user. Alas, I can understand
| where they were coming from, though, on that decision. They
| are/were a small, scrappy team and the QA effort for testing
| upgrade processes is non-trivial. They had to pick their
| battles on what to support. I didn't agree with their choice,
| but I can empathize with them on why they did it.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| I 100% agree, they can prioritize however they want, but
| _please_ for the love of well-meaning techies, drop the
| "replacement for Windows and macOS" talk, and make a pop-up
| warning that reinstallation is going to be necessary in the
| future before you download, so that you don't spread it
| everywhere only to discover you've just sunk everyone.
|
| It's really not that hard, just a "Note: Elementary OS does
| not support in-place upgrades. You will need to reinstall
| Elementary OS every time a new major version comes out
| every 2 years. If you want to support our in-place upgrade
| development, please donate. < Donate > < I Understand >".
| hugs wrote:
| Yeah, the lack of a sane upgrade path really is a massive
| issue that should be labeled more clearly. (And a
| headline level bullet point in any written review of it.)
| The lack of a sane upgrade path completely undercuts
| their marketing message.
| theGnuMe wrote:
| I'm not sure that's bad per se.. people should keep their OS
| separate from the data. Applications should be self-contained
| but the bigger issue would be app upgrades to run on the new
| OS.
| scns wrote:
| Form over function?
| latexr wrote:
| That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant
| three similar comments in the same short thread in the space
| of twenty minutes?
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| It's not just inconvenient, I've been personally burned by
| this issue and am livid that Elementary OS markets itself
| in this way without a warning. Imagine installing
| Elementary OS on a bunch of PCs for charity only to
| discover that those users are going to be completely
| insecure in 2 years because you weren't informed. You might
| never meet those people again, and who knows what will
| happen to them. It's reasonable to assume a user knows how
| to update their computer once in a while; it is not
| reasonable to assume an "elementary" user knows how to
| reinstall their OS.
|
| @pacifika: The Ubuntu LTS core will not help the built-in
| apps that won't receive updates (i.e. Mail, Web, Music, the
| Parthenon desktop environment), and the LTS core for
| version 6 (which was current until yesterday) is 20.04 LTS,
| so it will be obsolete in about 2 years. If you installed
| Elementary OS for a friend a week ago, that's not what you
| expected. So, you got 3 1/2 years on the long end of
| support and 2 years on the short end between releases.
| pacifika wrote:
| They're not insecure they benefit from all the Ubuntu Lts
| security updates
| hugs wrote:
| I'd bet that money and humanpower would have fixed the
| problem, but they didn't have enough of either. The
| problem was that Elementary OS was a very ambitious
| project, but they didn't have the same people and money
| resources that an Ubuntu or Red Hat has. Has that's
| changed? (I don't know.) And maybe this is a
| communication issue on their part. They innovated with
| adding a payment button on their downloads page years
| ago, which ruffled a lot of feathers. Maybe they should
| have gone bolder and added larger payment tiers. "Want
| free upgrades? Click here to pay $600,000 to fund a team
| of 3 for two years!"
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| This is an odd critique. If it's an issue that someone
| cares about, they should be allowed to comment about it as
| long as it's within the guidelines.
|
| There doesn't seem to be a guideline that defines the
| number of times someone can comment about a specific topic
| relative to the total number of comments within a specific
| amount of time.
|
| Two of the three comments are also replies to someone who
| replied to the first, so it's not like the person is
| spamming the same message over and over again. People are
| allowed to have discussions.
| latexr wrote:
| > they should be allowed to comment (...) People are
| allowed to have discussions.
|
| My comment doesn't contradict that. On the contrary, I do
| think their particular experience adds value to the
| thread.
|
| > it's not like the person is spamming the same message
| over and over again.
|
| After reading the three comments multiple times, I
| disagree. The comments were (they've since been deleted)
| superficially different but none added to the
| conversation over the others. I would even say the
| repetition detracted from the point, since it made it
| seem like a personal gripe instead of a legitimate
| technical complaint.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| You're criticizing the fact that the person commented
| three times. While you're not directly telling them
| "don't do that", you're still admonishing someone for
| doing something well within the guidelines and even
| intentions of this site, to talk about things that are
| interesting to the user.
| latexr wrote:
| I have _asked_ them to consider if the way they were
| going about the matter was appropriate. I have even
| explained to you what prompted it: I found their point
| valid and worthwhile, but in my view the repetition
| weakened their stance. Considering they deleted the extra
| comments a while back, perhaps they agree.
|
| Respectfully, you seem unreasonably angry about this
| matter and I do not wish to continue a conversation where
| the other party keeps assuming the worst of my replies.
| There is no malice or ill intent in my post. If you see
| any, that is on you.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| If you didn't want people to assume the worst, then maybe
| you should reconsider that how your write and what you
| say could be interpreted in many ways, and not sound so
| negative and admonishing when you criticize others?
|
| Notice that I didn't tell you what to do, I simply
| _asked_ you to consider if the way you were going about
| the matter was appropriate.
| musha68k wrote:
| I'm definitely going to steal that phrase - that cheap perfumed
| / polymer smell - it's indeed about time we get rid of it!
| brightball wrote:
| This looks like a very polished Gnome based experience. I might
| give it a try at some point.
| goosedragons wrote:
| It's not Gnome, it's Pantheon, their custom desktop
| environment. Still based on GTK though.
| capableweb wrote:
| Also, it ships with bunch of Gnome applications, Archive
| Manager, Document Viewer, GNOME Web are the ones mentioned in
| this release, but there is more as well.
| brightball wrote:
| > we're shipping the very latest GNOME Web 43
|
| My mistake. When I read this line it had me thinking Gnome.
| jug wrote:
| It seems to me it never took off which I partly blame on the
| direction. It's beautiful but a bit too simple and I had a locked
| in feeling I haven't felt before while using Linux (to the
| contrary in fact). As long as I remained within the ecosystem it
| was fine, but otherwise it was like jumping off a cliff. That
| strains the ecosystem and emphasizes available software a lot.
| How fun the OS is to use becomes a factor of everything besides
| the OS.
|
| I couldn't really use it like that and I didn't need to anymore
| either as GNOME had caught up and I'm now a happy Fedora + GNOME
| user. It also shares a "simple" and macOS like design
| language/goals, but with many advantages from technical,
| development backing, and community size standpoints.
| snowpid wrote:
| I was once a elementary os user but once I realised the
| elementary model is stuck and there is no big changes since
| version 5.
|
| If you look to active DE you see some commercial contributers
| e.g. GNOME from Red Hat and Cosmic from System76 (which started a
| way later) But as the founder see itself as a communist, I dont
| think, something will change (not to mention the moral ignorance
| of communist anyway). I liked the whole experience approach,
| "apple like", but now I use Gnome.
| nkotov wrote:
| Elementary is pretty cool but why does it look so dated.
| carlosjobim wrote:
| To me it looks productive and stable.
| dlivingston wrote:
| It reminds me very much of Aqua [0].
|
| To be clear, I _like_ that design style, but it is clearly
| true that it went "out of fashion" 10+ years ago.
|
| [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_(user_interface)
| smoldesu wrote:
| IMO, GNOME 3's version of Adwaita was evocative of the old
| "Platinum" UI for Mac. Very clean and professional, and
| aged much better than Aqua for my money.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| GNOME 3 Adwaita had some commonalities with Platinum, but
| in comparison it's a bit too bright in light mode and has
| much worse information density with how hard it leans
| into margins and padding.
|
| In those ways I think Elementary's theme is a bit more
| similar to Platinum. It's not nearly as afraid of mid-
| grays and while it still has a lot of padding, it's less
| excessive than Adwaita's.
| schmorptron wrote:
| I liked elementary, but progress has slowed to a crawl since the
| two co-founders had a falling out [1]. Of course as outsiders we
| probably don't know everything but the other founder's (the one
| who left) offer to keep working on the project for free without
| payment sounded pretty good, and it's disappointing that Danielle
| Fore seemingly didn't accept it (Although I might be missing some
| things here, this is just what it sounded like to me). A shame,
| they really had something good going with the overall design and
| attention to detail! That being said, the changes in this release
| look cool and promising, hoping they can get back on track!
|
| [1]https://news.itsfoss.com/elementary-co-founder-joins-
| endless...
| sccxy wrote:
| Well written blog post and most important that there are a lot of
| screenshots.
|
| So many good OSS projects fail this simple task. Show some
| images!
| nsxwolf wrote:
| At this point in my life I'm just not willing to look at a
| desktop environment besides macOS and Windows unless it is
| _completely different_. Is there anything out there that is
| trying radical new concepts and not just trying to emulate macOS
| /Windows/Gnome/KDE et al?
| bitigchi wrote:
| You are talking about "Tracker", the main GUI of Haiku. Read
| the user manual for all the niceties it has.
| cody_coconuts wrote:
| I haven't really ever needed much more than a customizable
| tiling window manager like i3. What kind of features are you
| looking for?
| nsxwolf wrote:
| I'm not necessarily looking for anything in particular, just
| new concepts and ideas. I know I can't go back to the 1960s
| and experience a completely different evolutionary path...
| There's certain things that have to exist now no matter what
| (like... windows)... but I'm very interested in novelty.
| sz4kerto wrote:
| Depends on what you mean by completely different. For many,
| libre/FOSS is a fundamentally different paradigm as you can
| tweak it ad infinitum and also rely on it being stable (as in:
| not changing) for a long time. This is a niche, but it's
| important for some people.
|
| If you mean the UI, then tiling window managers like Sway are
| quite different.
|
| But I don't think UIs will ever be factor that draws people to
| Linux et al., it'll mostly be the feeling of freedom.
| bravetraveler wrote:
| Do you have much experience with tiling window managers?
|
| While not flashy, I really appreciate the keyboard-
| driven/instant approach they offer. The killer thing for me: I
| never guess where something will open
|
| edit: hah, look at all these window manager posts - hi friends
| ploum wrote:
| Regolith (which is Ubuntu + i3 + very sane default settings)
|
| https://regolith-desktop.com/
|
| (can't live with a MacOS anymore)
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Gnome is very different than KDE, MacOS, or Windows.
| RussianCow wrote:
| In what way? I haven't used Gnome in a few years, but it
| seemed very similar to macOS and Windows last time I tried
| it.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Rather than macOS, as a long time Mac user I actually find
| GNOME most similar to iPadOS. It's almost exactly what one
| would get if they were asked to turn iPadOS into a desktop
| OS.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Which part is similar?
| smoldesu wrote:
| Speaking for myself here:
|
| - No AppIndicators in default spec
|
| - All UI is scaled to work for touch interfaces
|
| - Default windowing support amounts to split-screen
|
| - App "icon" style launcher, even using the same sliding-
| widget model people loathe on iPad
|
| - Quick-settings menu pane in the top corner, almost
| identical to the iOS/iPad one in GNOME 40
|
| I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that GNOME
| (especially GNOME 40) is derivative of iPad UI design.
| Other visual cues (dock, lockscreen, stylesheet,
| calendar, etc.) are pretty plainly inspired by the Mac
| UI.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Note that I'm talking about the stock experience (no
| extensions or even gnome-tweak-tool).
|
| - Top bar which acts as a status bar rather than a global
| menubar
|
| - Somewhat modal UX that works best with keeping 1-3
| windows on screen at all times
|
| - No way to minimize windows
|
| - Inclination towards gestures over keystrokes
|
| - Simplified mobile-esque app UIs that eschew menubars
| entirely in favor of hamburger menus
|
| - Greatly reduced levels of configurability relative to
| other DEs
|
| - Heavily padded widgets that seem better suited to touch
| than KB+M
|
| - Use of touch-inspired designs like switches over
| checkboxes
|
| - No traditional desktop
|
| ...among others.
|
| Don't get me wrong, it's very polished which is what
| leads me to use it, but it's not really a traditional
| desktop environment.
| capableweb wrote:
| I mean, not really, not if you compare it to something like
| i3, sway or awesomewm. I think when someone is asking for
| something radically different, then Gnome is not that
| different from the rest of the ones you listed.
| pqb wrote:
| I noticed in one of your comments in this thread that you are
| looking for new ideas for UI. As other commenters have said,
| you might be interested in tiling window managers like i3 [0]
| or sway [1]. They really are a gem for productivity and
| sometimes for the eye [2].
|
| However, I love the concept of a scrollable window manager like
| PaperWM [3]. When I had a smaller screen (24" 16:9) I
| complained a lot about the unused space on my screen. With
| PaperWM I was finally happy with its dimensions, because I
| could have a huge IDE on the left and a small part of terminal
| on the right. This way I could see if something was being
| printed to the terminal, while my editor took up 80% of the
| screen.
|
| [0]: https://i3wm.org/
|
| [1]: https://swaywm.org/
|
| [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/
|
| [3]: https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM
| [deleted]
| vorpalhex wrote:
| I gave Elementary a try, unfortunately it's just too simplified.
| You can eventually get gnome-tweaks up and fix things like font-
| scaling on high dpi displays, but Pantheon is too basic.
| Longhanks wrote:
| > Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major
| feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed
| platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down
| store.
|
| Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don't know which
| platform they're actually referring to, all while actually
| regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure"
| dialogs.
|
| Their dark pattern compelling you to "buy" instead of simply
| download elementary (for which I doubt many $$$ go to for example
| the Linux kernel) is still present, too.
| carlosjobim wrote:
| >Their dark pattern compelling you to "buy" instead of simply
| download elementary (for which I doubt many $$$ go to for
| example the Linux kernel) is still present, too.
|
| Give them a break! They put their hard work into something that
| could be useful for a lot of people and on top of that let the
| user name their price. There's nothing "dark" about that.
| smoldesu wrote:
| It's also weird how they call it "Sideloading" rather than
| just... installing apps. This is how modern operating systems
| _should_ work, it 's baffling that they bend the rules to make
| room for the exception.
|
| That being said, I do think it's fine for them to charge for
| their software experience here. What they're really asking you
| to pay for is the development of the Pantheon UI, and the
| desktop/OS portion of it. There's not really any reason to pay
| that back to the Linux kernel besides good will.
| t0astbread wrote:
| The sideloading dialogs are a bit extreme, I agree. But in
| general I don't see what's wrong with guiding users towards the
| "happy path" for package management. It's an opinionated system
| so it might not be everyone's thing but if it makes sense,
| sure, why not.
|
| Regarding pricing, even if we say they're basically charging
| money for it, why is that bad? You get the thing under a free
| license which is still better than commercial proprietary
| software that doesn't share any of its revenue. And because
| they allow you to choose how much you pay you can always pay
| them less and donate to the Linux Foundation yourself (or any
| of the other underlying software projects that are taking
| donations). Granted, folks who are new to the Linux universe
| won't know about this stuff, so a default split would help.
| bravetraveler wrote:
| I think they're taking a dig at Canonical with the Snap-fu. I'm
| not very well informed, but I've seen/heard some drama about it
|
| Slimy way to say 'we have Flatpak' _[like every other
| distribution]_... including the one they hope to take a shot at
|
| This project tears me. I want to say good work, but we don't
| need more fragmentation. Pantheon doesn't really _need_ such a
| 'fork'
|
| That, with the longstanding dark pattern for donations... and I
| can't help but feel worse for having been reminded
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