[HN Gopher] Marie Kondo Gives Up
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Marie Kondo Gives Up
Author : Brajeshwar
Score : 54 points
Date : 2023-01-29 16:39 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (gizmodo.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (gizmodo.com)
| Existenceblinks wrote:
| People seem to have expectation that it needs to be 100% nice and
| clean arrangement. Just like clean code, it's fine as long as you
| can find stuff, add more stuff to it and all are still easily to
| find and add.
| AussieWog93 wrote:
| That's a really good analogy.
| cmdialog wrote:
| [dead]
| fatfox wrote:
| Nobody will regret having spent less time tidying and more time
| with their kids.
|
| Being a parent is stressful, but you'll never get that time back.
| And as cheesy as it sounds: observe them, listen to them and play
| with them and you'll see the world from a whole new perspective.
| karaterobot wrote:
| She's just saying that with three kids, she's given up on keeping
| her home clean at all times. That makes sense, anything else
| would be insane. She's not saying "give up, live in a pig sty."
| dctoedt wrote:
| Related WaPo article (gift link): https://wapo.st/40d5TNv
| kevinventullo wrote:
| The last two paragraphs seem to have missed the point. She's not
| doing this because she "deserves a break" or wants to "stew in
| her own slop". It is a conscious decision to trade time spent
| tidying for time spent with kids. I imagine the latter is
| probably more exhausting!
| thenerdhead wrote:
| What sparks joy for me is not reading pieces of junk that defame
| a person's character because they are now vulnerable. Imagine
| having a new kid under 2 and you mention in a random interview
| your life is a little messy right now. The media then takes this
| idea of a huge contradiction of a public figure a little too much
| to heart and starts writing slander pieces.
|
| Envy is such a terrible human trait.
| commoner wrote:
| Did you read the original Washington Post article that TFA is
| referencing?
|
| https://www.washingtonpost.com/home/2023/01/26/marie-kondo-k...
|
| Marie Kondo released a new book last November (Kurashi at Home)
| which describes her change in direction. This publicity for her
| book is in no way unflattering to her, and I expect that she
| would enjoy the sales gained from the extra attention.
| thenerdhead wrote:
| Yes thanks for pointing it out, I just wrote a comment above
| regarding how this is likely just the media manipulating
| public opinion and a typical tactic used for best sellers.
| [deleted]
| ChrisClark wrote:
| Well, you should actually read this one then. It's is full
| support of her and thinks it is a good idea.
|
| Reading comments from people who did not read the article does
| not spark joy for me.
| bigbluedots wrote:
| The article is very supportive of her! There is no slander in
| it at all. What the hell is wrong with people
| nmz wrote:
| How is this envy?
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| What sparks joy for me is calling out people that didn't read
| the article before commenting.
|
| It has literally nothing defamatory, on the contrary.
| CommieBobDole wrote:
| I read your comment before reading the article, and expected to
| find some sneering torrent of vitriol seething with hatred for
| Marie Kondo and everything she stands for.
|
| Instead it was a bubbly little wisp of a human interest piece
| with a joke at the end about the rest of us now being free to
| stew in our own slop. It seems to be poking the mildest of fun
| at Kondo's admission that having kids doesn't leave her a lot
| of time to tidy up to the same standards she used to.
|
| And I assume we both read the same linked article. I guess this
| just shows how one's own experiences and resulting
| preconceptions affect perception of the same material; and that
| applies to both of us.
| jstarfish wrote:
| It's unflattering and serves no purpose other than to
| discredit her as an ideology.
|
| Even the title prefix "Relatable:" betrays this. Our role
| models aren't supposed to be _relatable,_ they 're supposed
| to be _better_ than us.
|
| Showing us that they aren't is just the adult equivalent of
| telling kids Santa isn't real. It doesn't spark Joy, it
| crushes Hope. Trolling masquerading as journalism.
|
| (FFS, people are still trying to find dirt on Fred Rogers.
| Leave the man alone and let the rest of us believe that not
| everyone and everything on this rock needs to be awful 24/7.)
| commoner wrote:
| There's nothing negative about describing a celebrity as
| relatable. Relatability is something most celebrities these
| days strive for in order to portray themselves as more
| authentic to their audience. For celebrities that heavily
| rely on social media, relatability attracts followers and
| sales.
|
| https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/supposed-
| authenticit...
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/its-genuine-
| yo...
| jstarfish wrote:
| Fair point, but she started as a guru selling an Idea.
| She's a celebrity after that.
|
| I think I'm just angry that she sold out. Relatability in
| terms of acknowledging you don't/can't eat your own
| dogfood makes the whole thing feel like a betrayal.
|
| (...not unlike watching Rachael Ray go from being a
| celebrity chef to a name on a line of _literal_ dog
| food.)
| thenerdhead wrote:
| Yes agreed that perceptions can be significantly different.
|
| Another perspective is these types of articles are designed
| by media manipulators to be polarizing so they generate more
| clicks. There's plenty published in the last 24 hours on her
| in this vein that will show you what I'm talking about.
|
| I mean she did just release a new book and this tactic isn't
| unheard of for best sellers to climb.
|
| The most powerful predictor of what spreads online is anger.
| Monetizing on humiliation is common too.
| paulddraper wrote:
| The content of the article is good. The title is clickbait.
| (But what isn't nowadays?)
| happytoexplain wrote:
| This description is in a different universe from the actual
| article. This is an enormously negative criticism of something
| that this isn't an instance of, and since your criticism is
| about the negativity of the author, it seems pretty
| hypocritical.
| MR4D wrote:
| > Envy is such a terrible human trait.
|
| There's a reason it's one of the 7 Deadly Sins.
| bigbluedots wrote:
| Yes, in a series of made up tales about faeries in the garden
| anderspitman wrote:
| > To which Gizmodo says: good for her!
| Shank wrote:
| > Kondo gave birth to her third child in 2021
|
| I don't have children, but all parents I've talked to have
| indicated that you can compare having a child to having a
| hurricane in your house, in terms of stability, organization,
| chaos, etc. A third child in 2021? Yeah, I'm not surprised.
|
| > "Now I realize what is important to me is enjoying spending
| time with my children at home." To her, focusing on family over
| folding is time spent "the right way for me at this time, at this
| stage of my life."
|
| Would anyone fault _any_ parent for wanting to spend more time
| with their children, especially really young ones, after they 're
| born? This piece comes off as really brash to me. She isn't
| giving up -- she's living life.
| iambateman wrote:
| I have two children and there was the syrup from a mandarin
| orange snack cup flying through the air about an hour ago.
|
| Mercifully, it's nap time.
|
| Hurricane is such a good term.
| smugma wrote:
| I have three kids and enjoyed the article, and forwarded to the
| few other parents I know (except one, who still keeps her house
| crazy clean because she has lots of professional help) with
| three kids.
|
| The spirit was "Even Marie Kondo can't keep a clean house with
| three kids!"
| dicriseg wrote:
| Yep, that's a good description. And unless you're paying
| someone to come clean and straighten up (cleaning, organizing,
| and ongoing maintenance are all different concerns!), there is
| a large amount of time that you need to trade off in order to
| do that yourself. Your kids will only be kids for so long, so
| fuck the constant organizing routine and spend your time with
| them. Be reactive and just clean up when you need to, and shove
| things into a closet when people come over or whatever. My kid
| is almost 11 now, and the worst realization is that I'm way
| past the half way mark in the time that I have with them at
| home as my kid. I'll have plenty of time to put my shit away
| when I'm missing them while they're away at college and then
| building their own life.
|
| My spouse is a professional organizer. It's a cool field, with
| a mix of helping people maintain a high end appearance, and
| also helping others who are literally trying to dig their lives
| out from the living room. Our home doesn't look like a
| completed job, though. There will (hopefully) be time for that
| later.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| The response to the change on her part is framed by the
| cultural craze around her earlier advice, and the demographic
| within which it was influential.
|
| Its not really about her, per se.
| [deleted]
| mr3martinis wrote:
| My personal experience is that her book's process and tips are
| really helpful for living in small spaces and when you want to
| refresh your home. That's true even if you don't follow it to a T
| - you just need to use what works for you.
|
| What I got from the philosophy is being more deliberate about
| what I own and how I maintain things, and an awareness of the
| subtle effects of clutter.
|
| This isn't a great piece of journalism, but I hope that she
| shares more about adapting her principles to different situations
| and stages of life.
| danielfoster wrote:
| I'm sure whatever Marie Kondo's definition of giving up is, it's
| much different from your own. For example in her latest book, she
| describes leaving housework such as the dishes for the next day
| (probably morning) because she is too tired.
|
| This does not mean you can continue being a messy unorganized
| American who waits a week to do the dishes.
| unsupp0rted wrote:
| I've heard people in other countries are starting to emulate
| the American concept of being reluctant to do the dishes
| Gigachad wrote:
| Do Americans not have dishwashers? They are almost standard
| in my country and completely eliminate this problem. Not
| having one feels like not having a washing machine for your
| clothes.
|
| I'll admit if I have a dinner party that goes till late, I'll
| often leave the dishes on the table but then move them to the
| dishwasher first thing in the morning.
| djur wrote:
| Marie Kondo's lifestyle has no effect on what I can and cannot
| do in my own life, nor would she ever claim it does.
| Turing_Machine wrote:
| > This does not mean you can continue being a messy unorganized
| American who waits a week to do the dishes.
|
| Being an American means that random people don't get to tell
| you what you're allowed to do.
| rjh29 wrote:
| She just had her third kid too. Sounds like her need for
| tidiness in the face of having three kids was taking up a lot
| of time/energy and she realised spending time with her family
| was more important.
| 10729287 wrote:
| Or she just want to launch a new trend as she milked as much
| as she can the former and it's now dried out ?
| rjh29 wrote:
| My brain went there too but she doesn't appear to have a
| book or TV show that matches the article.
| watwut wrote:
| I am pretty sure people who leave dishes out for a week will be
| unaffected by her leaving them out for a day. They will be able
| to leave them put as before.
| 1659447091 wrote:
| >This does not mean you can continue being a messy unorganized
| American who waits a week to do the dishes.
|
| True. It is much easier to just throw away the dirty dishes
| (they did not spark joy). But that starts to get expensive and
| it was much easier to just eat out of the can, or these days -
| thankfully - the grocery store makes complete ready to cook
| healthy whole food single meals oven ready. Only need to own
| utensils and a coffee cup now
|
| Seriously (I mean that did happen, but) I am guessing whatever
| her 'giving up' is, is better than all of my best efforts
| combined.
| sparky_z wrote:
| Sure I can.
| Overtonwindow wrote:
| It was a brief fad movement, perhaps. She had a good idea, wrote
| a successful book, made plenty of money and then reality sort of
| set in when she had kids. Life moves on, things change.
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