[HN Gopher] Landscape is an Urbit-native toolkit for staying con...
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Landscape is an Urbit-native toolkit for staying connected with
your friends
Author : lxm
Score : 38 points
Date : 2023-01-26 00:04 UTC (22 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (tlon.io)
| freen wrote:
| Yarvin and his work is forever tainted with his Mencius Moldbug
| nrx/dark enlightenment nonsense.
|
| Unless you are cool with absolute monarchism and the divine right
| of kings, avoid giving him and his work any oxygen.
| dmitriid wrote:
| It amuses me to no end that all these "innovative collaborative
| tools" are rigidly locked in to Slack's way of displaying
| information.
| api wrote:
| Slack just copied IRC clients.
| ElfinTrousers wrote:
| As a co-worker of mine put it some years back, "I was not
| expecting this year's big growth sector to be fancy IRC."
| dmitriid wrote:
| Slack had an "innovation" in the form of unusable threads
| that every other client is now sheepishly copying.
| api wrote:
| The big innovation over IRC was persistent chat across
| devices. That was huge and is pretty much a must have now.
| aliqot wrote:
| irccloud had that first, and before that znc, before that
| we had these byzantine bitchx setups, but it's nothing
| new from concept to implementation, I'd say
| mursicale wrote:
| Never ceases to amaze me that every time urbit comes up here all
| you guys can come up with is "it's racist" and "hoon is weird".
| There are valid criticisms to make, but these ain't it.
| kerpotgh wrote:
| It's racist or rather the group that's working on it is racist
| and they're explicitly trying to inject that into the system is
| a very valid point.
| routerl wrote:
| How's this one: I'm a competent, experienced, professional
| software engineer, who is utterly and completely incapable of
| grasping _what_ and _why_ urbit is, without seemingly investing
| far more time and cognitive capital than I 'm willing to invest
| on something so nebulous.
|
| From my perspective, urbit is quicksand: crypto wasn't this
| bad, NFT's weren't this bad; I was able to grasp the basics
| quickly and invest time into solving my confusions to my own
| satisfaction, without ever feeling like I was more drawn in
| than necessary (i.e. didn't over-invest, got out early).
|
| To me, urbit is nothing more than a sign, just beyond a
| blackhole's event horizon, which says "come closer".
|
| No thanks. I'm happy to stick to the fundamentals that have
| served me so well in my life and career.
| stolenmerch wrote:
| Interesting. I consider myself an average developer who
| picked up Urbit to play with in 2017 (when it was still
| _very_ rough). I 've been happily using it almost everyday
| for a couple of years now. I mean, it's just a peer-to-peer
| network built from first principles. That's really kind of
| it. I guess I don't really deep dive into the inner workings
| of its address space, OS, or functional programming language,
| but for an end user like me it works pretty great for
| distributed communication. I'm not trying to sell anyone on
| it by any means, but some of the most interesting things I've
| read have been in Urbit groups.
| [deleted]
| gaze wrote:
| I wonder what Yarvin thinks of NFTs. It's like the VHS vs
| Betamax of cynical obfuscated decentralized scams.
| freen wrote:
| Next up, a social network called Ubermensch written in
| brainfuck. </sarcasm>
| Lewton wrote:
| 'hoon is weird' is a valid criticism, especially because it's
| weird on purpose, to increase the barrier to entry
| jonstewart wrote:
| [flagged]
| ElfinTrousers wrote:
| [flagged]
| [deleted]
| mlatu wrote:
| urbit is strongly hierarchic... politically i would compare it to
| signal if signal wasnt just a messenger... but i did say
| politically so there we go: "we cannot allow federation, because
| the dictator says so"-signal is similar to "all your ships are
| belong to someone"-urbit
|
| i doubt much has changed in the last 10years.
|
| But from the purely technological angle: this is interesting and
| we should emulate this, but free and open.
| fossuser wrote:
| It is open source, the hierarchy is the minimal necessary to
| solve the reasons federated systems fail and centralize (spam,
| public key lookup for p2p encryption, version updates across
| the system, difficulty of running a linux server).
|
| I work at Tlon so I'm biased, but I joined because I think
| urbit is the best way to get ourselves out of the local max of
| computing we're trapped in.
|
| Email is a failure as a federated system (people on a tiny
| amount of centralized providers), the promise of the web as a
| decentralized place for people to interact p2p failed (FB,
| Instagram, etc.).
|
| We're serfs operating accounts that manipulate our attention so
| that we view more ads on massively centralized systems
| controlled by companies that have their own incentives. Urbit
| is an escape of that. You can't fix these issues without fixing
| the problems earlier up in the computing stack, federated
| systems on the existing stack are doomed to always be relegated
| to a tiny hyper-technical niche. Urbit's design means it's
| possible to get the UX such that everyone could use it (likely
| most by a provider running the urbit for them).
|
| Federated systems don't even really solve these problems for
| most users unless you run your own server (an _even_ smaller
| subset) - you 're just trading one dictator for another (and
| likely it's worse given how subreddit mods behave - mastodon is
| a good example of this).
|
| https://zalberico.com/essay/2022/09/28/tlon-urbit-computing-...
|
| http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-progra...
| rohan_ wrote:
| If Tlon was serious about Urbit they would swap out Hoon with
| something more practical.
| aliqot wrote:
| It's weird how some things were intentionally made different
| just to be that way, like the binary true/false is reversed.
| Yarvin said he did it to be different and because it was funny.
| actionfromafar wrote:
| All cults operate in a similar way. It's important to have a
| very distinct _in-group_ with codes only fully understood
| internally.
| aliqot wrote:
| shaved-head earthtones guy with the cult eyes in their
| youtube videos does them no favors. First thing I said when
| watching one of their conference talks "oh shit did i just
| wander into a cult"
|
| edit: this guy https://youtu.be/g1qroWiZF90
| masklinn wrote:
| > shaved-head earthtones guy with the cult eyes in their
| youtube videos does them no favors.
|
| Doesn't it? It's the same as scams, selecting against
| people who recognise cults is a feature, it means you
| don't have to weed those out. Means your recruitment
| process is that much more efficient.
| Lammy wrote:
| There are plenty of things worth criticizing in Urbit, IMO
| mostly related to the recreation of real-world scarcity as a
| digital namespace. Nobody seems to mind this very much in
| POSIX: [Lammy#~] true && echo $? 0
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