[HN Gopher] Amazon Acquires 400 Acres Near New Intel Development...
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Amazon Acquires 400 Acres Near New Intel Development in Ohio
Author : ericmay
Score : 74 points
Date : 2023-01-25 20:29 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| tester756 wrote:
| Is Ohio becoming tech heartland?
| nDIgger wrote:
| [dead]
| agentwiggles wrote:
| Seems at least semi-possible given all the recent investment.
| I've lived in Columbus for the last decade or so and generally
| enjoy living here.
|
| I view all this development with some trepidation as more high-
| paying jobs and big salaries threaten to do to Columbus and the
| surrounding area what has happened to lots of other tech cities
| though. Housing here is still _semi_ reasonable but definitely
| increasing fast, and the city has a fairly small footprint
| compared to other major metros.
|
| Even so, it's an exciting time in a state which I think is
| usually fairly underrated as flyover country.
| ch4s3 wrote:
| Hard to say yet, but it isn't impossible and the triangle
| between Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Columbus isn't the worst
| option. There are a bunch of universities in range to draw
| talent, including Carnegie Mellon, OSU, and some smaller state
| and private schools. The land is cheap and the cost of living
| is pretty low.
| ProAm wrote:
| I'm not sure if you've ever been to Ohio, but no.
| ydnaclementine wrote:
| Always has been
| LarryMullins wrote:
| Ohio invented outer space after all.
| [deleted]
| samvher wrote:
| It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a
| data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it
| might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If
| someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain?
|
| (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on
| electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically
| anything else that matters here, and it's not like they would
| typically get delivered straight from a plant, so that doesn't
| seem like it would be it.)
| whalesalad wrote:
| A rising tide lifts all boats. If there is a big tech partner
| in that particular region, there will be better supporting
| infra as well (employee base, friendly local municipalities,
| fiber internet, power infrastructure, etc)
|
| plus they can yeet the xeon's over the highway via a pneumatic
| tube system
| jcims wrote:
| Probably more about utilities/logistics of supporting both
| plants.
| discodave wrote:
| To wit: One way you can find Amazon (or other) datacenters on
| Google maps is to look for the substation next door.
| tomschlick wrote:
| Most likely its just that the county officials there are
| willing to clear red-tape and expedite
| zoning/permitting/inspection for large corps looking to place
| high tech jobs there. Possibly negotiate property tax breaks
| too.
| tersers wrote:
| This is the simplest and most likely answer, not everything
| in tech is a big masterminded ploy
| acdha wrote:
| That would be my assumption as well: they're relatively
| similar in what they're looking for many of the same things:
| reasonable prices for land, water, electricity, etc.,
| amenable local government, and reasonable housing +
| workforce. Intel's going to need more people but otherwise I
| wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that both lists of
| candidate locations ended up being very similar.
| wyldfire wrote:
| Probably useful for Amazon to leverage:
|
| * similar subsidies that Intel benefits from
|
| * public resources that Intel benefits from
|
| * population/education/employees/housing that Intel draws to
| work there
| jonas21 wrote:
| It's a coincidence in the sense that there's probably not a
| particular reason for Amazon to want to be next to Intel.
|
| It's not a coincidence in the sense that Ohio recently passed a
| bunch of tax incentives for building "megaprojects" [1], and
| New Albany in particular seems to be investing heavily in the
| infrastructure that would be required for such projects. So
| it's not surprising they both ended up there.
|
| [1] https://www.pwc.com/us/en/services/tax/library/ohio-
| modifies...
|
| [2] https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2022/08/04/new-
| al...
| virtuallynathan wrote:
| Power availability?
| tpmx wrote:
| I could easily imagine some of those spammy, idiotic and
| successful youtubers going on and on about how this will enable
| AWS to much more efficently ship those ~100 gram Intel CPUs
| from where they are manufactured to where they will be used and
| thereby gain a decisive competitive advantage.
| snihalani wrote:
| This is what the layoff money was used for
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Great, another Datacentre. Why not a 400 acre animal reserve?
|
| Sorry down-voters, but I just value the planet more than another
| Amazon datacentre. Ironic seeing as their name is opposite to
| what the name Amazon really stands for. I just fail to see what
| this achieves for the planet.
| sib wrote:
| 400 acres represents 0.01% of Ohio's land area. This doesn't
| really change the state's land use profile.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Trees, for a forest? Those would still produce more for the
| planet than what an datacentre provides. Which takes
| resources from the planet..
|
| Water is a finite resource, you need electricity too. Carbon
| emissions from the build. While I'm sure it will green DC but
| doesn't solve the fact your destroying natural land for
| nothing other than a building with servers in it.
| leesalminen wrote:
| Are you against all new development of land for commercial
| purposes? Or is it something about data centers in
| particular?
| m348e912 wrote:
| Not nearly as profitable.
| throwayyy479087 wrote:
| Ohio has enormous parks already
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Why not more?
| MH15 wrote:
| We've done well on that front in Ohio already
| https://thewilds.columbuszoo.org/
| yazaddaruvala wrote:
| Probably just another data center.
|
| But instead I'll take a leap and predict:
|
| This is Amazon moving into not just designing Graviton but also
| vertically integrating silicon fabrication (for CPU, memory,
| and/or storage) into their portfolio.
| bob1029 wrote:
| Fabrication is a red line. Apple-style chip design is as far as
| it will ever go.
|
| You'd need to take the combined capital of Apple, Microsoft and
| Amazon, along with 2-3 decades of time to even begin
| considering becoming competitive with the likes of TSM or
| Samsung. Who is signing up for that risk profile?
| jeffbee wrote:
| Interesting. I associate the region with air pollution and
| carbon-intensive power. Ohio is near the bottom of the 50 states
| in wind and solar energy. A few years ago I would not have said
| Ohio was going to attract so much datacenter construction, but
| now every big datacenter operator is there.
| rotten wrote:
| I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We
| already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east
| region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park,
| and a dbt data center under construction all within a short
| radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a
| large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume
| company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of this has
| been built over the last 3 or 4 years.
|
| This particular spot has electricity and water available from
| multiple service providers. It has one of the lowest seismic
| activity ratings in the US. We don't get hurricanes and very
| rarely get tornados. It is very flat and has great access to
| highways. We are within a 12 hour drive of something like 60% of
| the population of the US.
|
| There are huge tax incentives to support Intel's Ohio One, which
| may have 6-10 fabs built within the next few years. The Intel
| project is paying for highway development the power and sewer
| extensions and more.
|
| Spin off development is adding a slew of hotels, big box stores
| and other development all happening at the same time.
|
| The local schools are rated very highly, and we are only a short
| drive from The Ohio State University, which is one of the largest
| universities in the country.
|
| Columbus has a vibrant startup scene with several unicorns in the
| last couple of years.
|
| They are taking our quiet country town on the outskirts of
| Columbus, of about 15K people to 100K people over the course of
| the next 7 years. They are taking many square miles of farmland
| to make this happen. They are bulldozing over everyone and
| anything that gets in their way. The developers are making money
| hand-over-fist. In particular Les Wexner's development company
| "The New Albany Company". Wexner is one of the key players behind
| all of this development.
|
| I live on land that goes back in my wife's family to a
| Revolutionary war grant. I'm pretty sure we will be pushed out
| within the next year or two as well. The only thing that has
| stopped them so far is that we have most of the land set as
| conservation land, which is hard to undo and just pave over.
|
| That doesn't stop the bulldozers from pushing things around next
| door to us and right up to our property line.
|
| They cut down huge swaths of forest with 100, 150+ year old
| trees. They got permission to wipe out acres and acres of
| wetlands without having to worry about mitigation by donating the
| money to some wildlife fund instead.
|
| We have a pair of displaced bald eagles that have been spotted
| flying around the area now trying to find a new home.
| MrCharismatist wrote:
| https://archive.ph/VssmA
|
| Sounds like us-east-2d is coming.
| ericmay wrote:
| Thanks for sharing the non-paywalled article!
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Thanks for saying this, as it made me pay attention - and so
| I must now ask in surprise: when did we lose the automatic
| "web"/"archive" links in HN submissions?
| mtmail wrote:
| "Ask HN: Why did HN get rid of the "web" button?"
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34468746
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