[HN Gopher] NASA solved a $100M problem for five bucks (2012)
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       NASA solved a $100M problem for five bucks (2012)
        
       Author : rbanffy
       Score  : 199 points
       Date   : 2023-01-23 15:53 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | ryzvonusef wrote:
       | Reminds me of an apocryphal story about a packaging line in a
       | cereal factory. They created a complicated weighing system to
       | make sure no box was packed empty because of a cereal bag
       | accidentally falling out....only to realize the line workers had
       | already solved the problem by placing a pedestal fan that blew
       | away the light empty boxes as the went on the line.
        
         | Retric wrote:
         | If I recall the story continues where the complex system
         | included a sensor to detect an empty box. Realizing the fan
         | worked they disabled the complex system until one day the fan
         | quietly failed without anyone noticing and empty boxes where
         | sent out. This created a great deal of embarrassment for
         | everyone involved.
         | 
         | Even more time and effort was spent after the problem was
         | already 'fixed' _twice_ at which point they used both the fan
         | and the more complex system.
        
         | Mountain_Skies wrote:
         | Though this was back in the 90s and things might have changed
         | since then, when I stocked the cereal aisle, Kellogg's had
         | somewhere in the range of 0.5% to 1% empty boxes. Really weird
         | the first time you pull one out of the shipping box to find the
         | individual box fully sealed but empty.
        
         | bluedino wrote:
         | Right after high school I worked at one of the big office
         | furniture companies (you've sat in one of their chairs/cubes if
         | you've worked in an office job). At some point, a couple
         | hundred batches of $1200 chairs went out with one of the legs
         | cast wrong. The easy thing to do was to have a piece of the
         | packaging stuffed in the leg during assembly.
         | 
         | The problem was, the service techs never knew about this, so
         | when they'd go out and warranty a caster, they'd find a bunch
         | of cardboard or whatever jammed in the leg, put the caster back
         | on without replacing the cardboard, and the chair wouldn't be
         | level. So, they would come back out next week with a new leg.
        
           | cjrp wrote:
           | Wait.. so the cardboard was structural?
        
             | brewdad wrote:
             | It sounds like the equivalent of placing a bunch of napkins
             | under the foot of your restaurant table to keep it from
             | wobbling except the napkins were inside the table rather
             | than on the floor. Pretty amazing hack. :)
        
         | russdill wrote:
         | This seems a bit unlikely given that air has long been very
         | widely used in production lines to remove objects that are too
         | light. But it makes a neat story.
        
       | vpribish wrote:
       | "steam-actuated dials" - this article is trash. they are trying
       | to say "steam gauges" but for some reason are up-complicating it
       | and since they don't know the subject they made nonsense.
        
         | tantalor wrote:
         | Immediately raised a red flag, since I've never heard of "steam
         | gauges" until today, it took me a minute to realize they had
         | confused the term, and obviously have no idea what they are
         | talking about.
         | 
         | > Analog gauges, commonly called "steam gauges" because their
         | faces resemble a steam pressure gauge
         | 
         | https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/march/flig...
         | 
         | Contrast with "glass panels" or "glass cockpit" which just
         | means "using a LCD" or similar (nevermind that the "steam
         | gauges" also have a glass front)
        
       | criddell wrote:
       | > NASA has a patent pending on the technology
       | 
       | That kind of bugs me. Why should our government be able to patent
       | things?
        
         | abathur wrote:
         | To keep others from patenting publicly-funded inventions?
        
         | kens wrote:
         | To answer your question, NASA has the authority to grant
         | licenses on its domestic and foreign patents and patent
         | applications pursuant to 35 USC 207-209.
        
       | bsan3 wrote:
       | Great engineering. Elegant solution while solving the general
       | case - usually these avoid the general case
        
       | messe wrote:
       | The Ares I had an even bigger flaw in that any abort during the
       | first minute would result in the capsules parachute intersecting
       | with fragments from the SRB plume, killing the crew.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | So instead of relieving the astronauts from an additional
       | vibration force of 0.7G, they decided to take the cheap route?
       | 
       | Also how are the astronauts supposed to reach for the control
       | buttons if they can't see them?
        
         | marmetio wrote:
         | If the vibration still meets the requirements, then yes.
         | They're not going to chase arbitrary ideas of "better". In the
         | physical world, you add some margin to the design so you can
         | tolerate stuff like this.
         | 
         | They can see the physical buttons because they don't refresh
         | and momentarily disappear like a digital display.
        
       | cratermoon wrote:
       | 2012. Incidentally, the single test flight of Ares I rocket ended
       | in what would likely have been a disaster, or at least an abort,
       | with a real crew. Those vibrational issues ended up causing the
       | the upper stage simulator to enter a flat spin upon separation
       | from the booster.
        
         | adastra22 wrote:
         | Yeah the whole premise of the article is off. I guess "NASA
         | tried a $5 fix but it wasn't sufficient and the program got
         | cancelled" doesn't generate as many clicks.
        
           | agloeregrets wrote:
           | My favorite thing is "Our new design is so screwed that it
           | violently vibrates to the point that the crew cant read
           | screens...How can we modify the screen to work?" rather than
           | "Hey..uh, how do we make it not violently do this?"
        
             | parasti wrote:
             | Quickly-approaching-deadline mentality.
        
               | adastra22 wrote:
               | More like "You're only getting paid to do this because
               | the solid rocket motor company is politically connected.
               | Either use them, or the program goes away and you get
               | fired."
               | 
               | Nevermind that solid rocket motors is and always have
               | been a terrible idea for crewed launch systems, and were
               | probably the worst mistake made on Shuttle.
        
       | nikanj wrote:
       | I wonder how often they do the opposite, and spend $100M because
       | nobody had the flash of insight needed to turn it into a five-
       | buck problem
        
         | dctoedt wrote:
         | > _I wonder how often they do the opposite_
         | 
         |  _[From my contract-drafting course materials:]_ The parties in
         | a 2020 Vermont supreme court case might have been better served
         | if they had done periodic check-in calls -- in that case:
         | 
         | - In a project to rebuild a railroad bridge, a subcontractor
         | was supposed to handle one aspect of the project.
         | 
         | - The subcontractor encountered an unexpected problem.
         | 
         | - The subcontractor spent weeks trying to fix the problem --
         | and billed the prime contractor an extra $120,000 for its
         | efforts.
         | 
         | - At trial, however, it came out that -- for only $9,600 --
         | there had been a simpler way to solve the problem.
         | 
         | - If the prime contractor and subcontractor had just talked to
         | one another -- perhaps using the SPUR agenda, discussed at
         | 7.2.6 -- they just might have solved the problem sooner, at
         | much-lower cost (and without having to go to litigation).
         | 
         | See Construction Drilling, Inc. v. Engineers Construction,
         | Inc., 2020 VT 38 PP 6-7, 236 A.3d 193, 196-97 (2020) (affirming
         | denial of subcontractor's breach-of-contract claim).
         | https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=144056062390412...
         | 
         |  _[The SPUR agenda is a general-purpose meeting agenda: Status;
         | Problems; Uncertainties; Risks.]_
        
       | _fat_santa wrote:
       | The best engineers come up with the simplest solutions.
        
         | bloomingeek wrote:
         | I think it's because they know the correct questions to ask.
        
       | madengr wrote:
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       | tezzer wrote:
       | I was a guinea pig for this experiment- they spun us up in the
       | centrifuge, vibrated the chair in a simulation of launch forces,
       | and had us doing reading and manual tasks. There are parts of
       | your brain that nope out at certain frequencies, it's a
       | remarkable feeling.
        
       | bandyaboot wrote:
       | > We did our best to show the before/after by putting our camera
       | on the sled, but the image-stabilization was just too damn good
       | (well played, Sony. Well played). You'll have to take my word for
       | it.
       | 
       | Alternate solution: send crew up with image stabilized cameras.
        
       | fbn79 wrote:
       | Remind me scene of movie Contact. Earth engineer fixed a seat to
       | the alien craft as minimar support for Jodie Foster but the
       | vibration was too much. Ended up that have no seat and
       | fluctuating free on air was easiest most secure solution.
        
       | Finnucane wrote:
       | Did any other industry actually use this solution as suggested at
       | the end of the article?
        
         | moloch-hai wrote:
         | It was not really a solution.
         | 
         | But those vids on YouTube of helicopters flying around with
         | still rotors, and hummingbirds with their wing held out, are
         | great.
        
       | yboris wrote:
       | TL;DR summary:
       | 
       |  _Problem_ : cabin would inevitably vibrate at some point and
       | astronaut's chairs would too, making displays impossible to read.
       | 
       |  _Soution_ : put a sensor on the chair and synchronize the
       | displays to only pulse their light when the chair (and thus
       | astronaut's eyes) returned to the same location.
        
       | dotnet00 wrote:
       | As far as I'm aware, this problem (and associated 'solution')
       | still exists on SLS, which would make sense considering that it
       | too gets a large portion of its thrust from those giant SRBs.
       | 
       | Of course the proper solution would have been to not mandate the
       | use of such large SRBs since the vibrations still make SLS near
       | useless for launching scientific payloads. The reason for
       | choosing Falcon Heavy for Europa Clipper instead of SLS was that
       | on top of the rocket price difference, it'd cost $1B extra to
       | make Clipper able to handle SLS's vibrations, Congress was
       | insistent on Clipper launching on SLS but backed down when they
       | informed that they'd have to spend an additional $1B on science
       | instead of corruption.
       | 
       | But alas, that sort of dumb stuff is what design by Congress gets
       | you.
        
       | eliaspro wrote:
       | > Special thanks to Mark Rober, Jessica Culler, Dan Goods, Val
       | Bunnell, and everybody at NASA JPL and NASA Ames for making this
       | happen.
       | 
       | Well, that's Mark Rober before bis YouTube fame.
        
       | miga wrote:
       | 1. Does the solution includes pay for the people to think?
       | 
       | 2. Does it include opportunity cost of waiting for the 5$
       | solution?
       | 
       | 3. Does the cost include extra prototyping and engineering time?
       | 
       | The title of the article is a lie based on misunderstanding of
       | engineering.
       | 
       | After all engineering is done, the __remaining cost__ is the same
       | as bill of materials...
       | 
       | Until you need to update the system with new components. And
       | rockets made by NASA are made in few copies... so the Non-
       | Recurring Engineering cost dominates the whole business.
        
         | rvnx wrote:
         | 5 USD of material, millions of USD spent to train, hire,
         | motivate and retain the engineers who are finding such
         | solutions.
        
           | ozim wrote:
           | Exactly like old joke:
           | 
           | There was a problem with machine on factory floor, company
           | tried to do everything already so they called specialist. To
           | cut story short, specialist went around the machine took
           | hammer out and smashed in one place - machine fixed. Invoice
           | for the company $500 - so manager was angry
           | 
           | - "one swing of hammer $500?" - "swing of hammer was free,
           | knowing where to hit $500"
        
             | xenophonf wrote:
             | It's no joke, dude. That was Charles Proteus Steinmetz.
             | 
             | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/charles-proteus-
             | stein...
        
           | selectodude wrote:
           | Ford, whose electrical engineers couldn't solve some problems
           | they were having with a gigantic generator, called Steinmetz
           | in to the plant. Upon arriving, Steinmetz rejected all
           | assistance and asked only for a notebook, pencil and cot.
           | According to Scott, Steinmetz listened to the generator and
           | scribbled computations on the notepad for two straight days
           | and nights. On the second night, he asked for a ladder,
           | climbed up the generator and made a chalk mark on its side.
           | Then he told Ford's skeptical engineers to remove a plate at
           | the mark and replace sixteen windings from the field coil.
           | They did, and the generator performed to perfection.
           | 
           | Henry Ford was thrilled until he got an invoice from General
           | Electric in the amount of $10,000. Ford acknowledged
           | Steinmetz's success but balked at the figure. He asked for an
           | itemized bill.
           | 
           | Steinmetz, Scott wrote, responded personally to Ford's
           | request with the following:
           | 
           | Making chalk mark on generator $1.
           | 
           | Knowing where to make mark $9,999.
           | 
           | Ford paid the bill.
        
             | BizarroLand wrote:
             | I guess great minds think alike but fools rarely differ. I
             | posted a link to the story you copied just below you, lol.
        
             | mjburgess wrote:
             | This also goes a long way to explaining why service
             | economies are richer than goods-based ones; and why
             | "manufacturing jobs" as a political project are mostly
             | populist nonesense.
        
               | cjbgkagh wrote:
               | A lot of intelligence goes into manufacturing and a lot
               | of innovation comes out of it. The overemphasis on
               | financial engineering causes substantial market
               | distortions and in my view is the principal driver of our
               | increasingly dysfunctional economies. I.e. you don't need
               | to be a populist to care about manufacturing jobs
        
               | mjburgess wrote:
               | As a solution to class mobility, you do. And as a route
               | to increases in high-paying low-skill labour.
               | 
               | My comment about "service jobs" is kinda evidenced with
               | your own remark: the existence of high-value
               | manufacturing jobs. The _high-value_ here is always in
               | the cognitive dimension, rather than the physical.
        
               | cjbgkagh wrote:
               | My assertion that more intelligence is required than
               | commonly thought scales all the way down to the low value
               | manufacturing. I'm often quite surprised at the ingenuity
               | and skill that goes into low value manufacturing. In
               | addition a substantial low value manufacturing base
               | reduces the incremental cost of resources and tooling
               | required by the high value manufacturing increasing the
               | viability. Effectively setting up a cross subsidy.
        
               | mjburgess wrote:
               | Sure, but the political project is supposed to provide
               | such jobs to people who are otherwise not very skilled.
               | 
               | My point being that the relevant political project for
               | increasing class mobility, prosperity etc. is
               | skills/education/training/etc. _rather than_ this false-
               | belief that there is something called  "Manufacturing"
               | which pays well without such things.
               | 
               | Or, to use the example given, it's "knowing where to put
               | the chalk", rather than removing the metal plate. There
               | is no modern rich economy which can sell "removing metal"
               | as the route to prosperity.
               | 
               | That used to be the case, but all that labour has been
               | automated away or is otherwise _not_ well-paying,.
               | 
               | Now it is all about value-add via skills.
        
               | cjbgkagh wrote:
               | My concern is 'modern rich economies' are a temporary
               | aberration due to financialization and that the
               | intelligence vs work schism will fall apart due to the
               | under-appreciation of the importance of maintaining a
               | manufacturing base. I would agree with you if the
               | windfall of having been intelligent was invested in
               | becoming more intelligent and thus an advantage is
               | maintained but by my observation that has not occurred.
               | It seems people will instead use their relative luxury to
               | hold increasingly illogical ideas. Not only will we not
               | have a manufacturing base but we won't be intelligent
               | either. For now financialization is propping up our way
               | of life but that won't last forever.
        
               | mjburgess wrote:
               | Interesting view, imo, probably wrong.
               | 
               | We imagine the "value-add" due to advanced cognitive
               | skill is somehow "less real" than that which could be
               | replaced with a machine arm.
               | 
               | What we have discovered, and will do so, is that knowing
               | where to place the chalk was always the basis of profit.
        
               | wongarsu wrote:
               | I think one point worth appreciating (apart from the
               | political reasons to drive manufacturing jobs) is that
               | manufacturing provides jobs where people who are
               | uneducated/low-skilled but intelligent can make
               | significant contributions.
               | 
               | Putting a fan next to a conveyor to filter out empty
               | boxes doesn't require a college degree (if anything a
               | college degree makes it more difficult to find that
               | solution), but it is nonetheless a significant process
               | improvement.
        
             | pmontra wrote:
             | Great story but I had no idea who he was. Found on
             | Wikipedia
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz
        
               | moloch-hai wrote:
               | There is a great series on YouTube:
               | 
               | https://m.youtube.com/@KathyLovesPhysics/videos
               | 
               | Really took Tesla down a peg. (No, Tesla did not invent
               | the 3-phase power system we use today. That was a Russian
               | in Switzerland, Dolivo-Dobrovolsky.)
        
             | zikduruqe wrote:
             | Picasso was at a Paris market when an admirer approached
             | and asked if he could do a quick sketch on a paper napkin
             | for her. Picasso politely agreed, promptly created a
             | drawing, and handed back the napkin but not before asking
             | for a million Francs.
             | 
             | The lady was shocked: "How can you ask for so much? It took
             | you five minutes to draw this!"
             | 
             | "No", Picasso replied, "It took me 40 years to draw this in
             | five minutes.
        
           | BizarroLand wrote:
           | Like Charles Proteus who sent Henry Ford a bill for $10,000
           | for drawing a circle on a generator with chalk, it was $1 to
           | draw the circle and $9,999 to know where to draw it.
           | 
           | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/charles-proteus-
           | stein...
        
       | gooseyman wrote:
       | Interesting bit about the patent application by NASA. I didn't
       | realize NASA filed for patents. Does a NASA patent essentially
       | make this public?
        
       | mannykannot wrote:
       | So the astronauts could read the numbers, but could they do
       | anything about them? I'm guessing that it is difficult to make
       | manual actions with any precision while being subjected to that
       | sort of vibration. Alternatively, if there was nothing they could
       | do at that stage, did they need to read the numbers?
        
         | tezzer wrote:
         | Yes, in the experiment we had to touch highlighted groups of
         | numbers on the screen during some phases, do simple math on
         | groups of numbers, or read out numbers. One of the harder parts
         | is repeatedly reaching out to touch the screen under G forces,
         | your arms get really tired really fast.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Related:
       | 
       |  _NASA solved a $100M vibration problem cheaply by strobing the
       | display_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28109420 - Aug
       | 2021 (15 comments)
        
       | seanalltogether wrote:
       | Would this also be fixed by using a display with a high refresh
       | rate? For instance, would a 240hz display be subject to the same
       | vibration smearing?
        
         | remram wrote:
         | Yes, the blurriness comes from the movement of your eyes. A
         | constantly-lit piece of paper would also look blurry.
        
           | remram wrote:
           | I meant "yes, it would be subject to it" so "no, it wouldn't
           | fix it". In case it's not clear which question I was
           | answering.
        
       | drKarl wrote:
       | Reminds me of that old joke (not sure if it's true or not) that
       | NASA spent millions of dollars developing a ballpoint-pen that
       | could work in zero gravity, and the soviets just used a pencil.
        
         | coredog64 wrote:
         | The Fisher space pen was developed outside of NASA. The Soviets
         | used a pencil, but it came with the very real downside risk of
         | graphite particles migrating everywhere.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | Flammable materials migrating into circuitry.
        
           | p_l wrote:
           | The complete story is that NASA was spending millions on
           | _space pencils_ , because of floating, very sharp, bits of
           | graphite creating various risks.
           | 
           | This was also after the tragedy of Apollo 1.
           | 
           | Meanwhile Soviets used grease pencils, which while safer,
           | were horrible in usability.
           | 
           | Fischer's private development of space pen was quickly picked
           | up by both US and Soviet space programs to solve the problem
           | of writing in space.
        
             | stonogo wrote:
             | NASA spent no money developing pencils. They bought a batch
             | of already-existing mechanical pencils, from a regular
             | pencil manufacturer, and they paid too much. The total bill
             | came to something around $140 per pencil, for a total
             | expenditure of just over $4,000. This caused an outcry and
             | eventually evolved into the "millions of dollars" urban
             | legend.
        
               | p_l wrote:
               | I didn't say they developed them. However, they did a lot
               | of tests on top of that $140 per pencil purchase which
               | helped propel the extrapolation of "millions" (probably
               | in TCO, spread over time)
        
             | moloch-hai wrote:
             | I bought a Fisher Space Pen, as a teener. It leaked. Not
             | very badly.
        
           | KMag wrote:
           | To expand a bit on what you wrote. The Fisher space pen was
           | developed entirely with private funds, and sold to NASA to
           | fill a real need to not release graphite to be inhaled or
           | cause short circuits.
        
             | rvnx wrote:
             | Cool stuff! How it's made / how it works:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mjmAzf4oKs
        
           | dilyevsky wrote:
           | Free graphene!
        
         | deelowe wrote:
         | A story that is 100% B.S.
        
         | jjtheblunt wrote:
         | not sure if you are aware of this
         | 
         | https://www.spacepen.com/
        
       | beefman wrote:
       | Reminds me of 2005 when I suggested BART cannibalize OTS noise-
       | canceling headphones and put some speakers under the cars to
       | attenuate the horrific screeching sounds
       | 
       | http://lumma.org/microwave/#2005.07.22
        
       | dylan604 wrote:
       | are they using a pencil? /s
        
       | russdill wrote:
       | This would turn out to be the absolutely incorrect solution. The
       | core design of the system was driven by politics creating all
       | kinds of engineering problems that would eventually doom the
       | program. The actual solution was to cancel Ares I.
        
       | walnutclosefarm wrote:
       | That's an 11 year old article. Might want to indicate that in the
       | subject/title, as is customary.
        
         | 93po wrote:
         | And find a source with a less clickbaity title. It wasn't a
         | $100M problem, it was a small hurdle on a $100M project
        
       | Rebelgecko wrote:
       | 1. NASA also made design changes like adding mass dampeners to
       | the rocket to reduce the pogo oscillations (although I don't
       | think the hardware was actually built before the program was
       | canceled).
       | 
       | 2. The fix described in the article definitely cost more than $5.
       | The ICs might've cost <$100, but I wouldn't be surprised if the
       | cost of the fix was six or seven figures after taking into
       | account the design, installation, and QA steps
        
         | just_boost_it wrote:
         | It's like saying that software built using an open source
         | languages and libraries was built for free.
        
         | alhirzel wrote:
         | Adding water to something (dampening mass) is less effective
         | than adding something solid to it (damping mass). One of my
         | favorite little pet peeve typos...
        
           | Rebelgecko wrote:
           | Thanks for the correction!
           | 
           | Have you seen the designs for interplanetary spaceships that
           | use the crew's water supply as a protective shield to block
           | radiation? I wonder if they need mass dampers for their
           | dampening mass.
        
           | Baeocystin wrote:
           | Huh. TIL. Do you know the reason for distinguishing between
           | the two in this way?
        
             | LarryMullins wrote:
             | It's a play on words, to "dampen" something is to make it
             | moist.
        
               | Baeocystin wrote:
               | Welp. That's what I get for commenting before coffee!
        
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       | thanatos519 wrote:
       | I did something like this once! I was BBSing and my CGA monitor's
       | vertical coil died. So I blew through my lips to make a
       | 'raspberry' sound which vibrated my eyes and allowed me to read
       | what was being displayed on the single scan line.
        
         | Moissanite wrote:
         | So when people say "10x developer go BRRRR", they are
         | specifically referring to you?
        
           | mkaic wrote:
           | At long last we've found the mythical 10x develobrrrrrr
        
         | lpapez wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing this story, I laughed out loud trying to
         | visualize the notion of someone staring at a semingly blank
         | screen doing that in order to read the "secret text".
         | Brilliant.
        
         | frakt0x90 wrote:
         | I don't know what any of this means but making it up in my head
         | comes up with a pretty amusing scene.
        
           | martincmartin wrote:
           | OP was reading text on an old Cathode Ray Tube monitor. It
           | broke such that, instead of being spread throughout the
           | screen, all of it was squished vertically into a single
           | horizontal line. However, different parts of the line are
           | written at different times, so if you vibrate your head,
           | different parts will land at different parts of your eye.
        
             | recuter wrote:
             | Sadly blowing raspberries no longer works for debugging new
             | fangled flat panel displays. On account of the ball
             | bearings.
        
               | westmeal wrote:
               | You forgot to mention the pixel return springs but you
               | seem like a nice guy so I'll let it slide.
        
               | c22 wrote:
               | OP is probably using something like a retroencabulator
               | where rather than the power being generated by the
               | relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it's produced
               | by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and
               | capacitive diractance. The original machine had a base
               | plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable
               | logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving
               | bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan.
               | Thus no pixel return springs are necessary in this
               | configuration.
        
         | renewiltord wrote:
         | Much less clever, but I had a microwave with far too opaque a
         | grid to look through. By shaking my head left and right, it
         | would sort of disappear though. The funny thing is how
         | automatic these human things are. I didn't notice I was doing
         | it until someone asked me why I was shaking my head at the
         | microwave.
        
           | quesera wrote:
           | This also works when trying to focus on a distant object
           | through a screened window.
        
           | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
           | _> I didn 't notice I was doing it until someone asked me why
           | I was shaking my head at the microwave._
           | 
           | Congrats, you became the human owl.
        
             | spywaregorilla wrote:
             | I think that's more of a ocular SLAM kind of thing for
             | depth mapping
        
           | sopooneo wrote:
           | I've noticed the same thing happen when you walk quickly by a
           | fence with slits too small to see through when you're
           | standing still.
        
         | _a_a_a_ wrote:
         | I'll try doing that at my boss, see if it makes him any
         | clearer.
        
         | rlpb wrote:
         | I'm puzzled as to how this works with respect to phase and
         | "vsync". How is it that what you saw wasn't scrambled, even if
         | spread out vertically again?
        
           | detrites wrote:
           | Displayed would have been a static unmoving screen of text (a
           | typical BBS display), so the unsynced perturbations of
           | haphazard raspberry motion should create enough randomly
           | coincident content time-slices to form a complete image.
           | 
           | EDIT to add: someone please make an emulation of this, with a
           | slider to control the raspberry's pitch.
        
       | throwawaysalome wrote:
       | The strobe and accelerometers cost more than five dollars.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | Back when I first started learning digital circuits, the first
       | one would turn on an LED on and off, the rate was controlled by a
       | potenciometer. I had a bit of fun changing the rate to see when
       | the on/off became invisible. With a 'scope hooked up you could
       | see the rate of the square wave.
       | 
       | Fast forward decades, and some friends were working on a portable
       | device with an LED display. It had a power consumption problem. I
       | suggested instead of turning the LEDs on, to strobe them. They'd
       | use much less power, and the difference would be imperceptible to
       | the user.
       | 
       | Then they had the idea of strobing the line of LEDs to form text
       | messages you could see if you waved it back and forth, but was
       | just a line of on LEDs if it was stationary. That worked
       | surprisingly well, but as a toy it never caught on. But it was
       | fun.
        
         | alanbernstein wrote:
         | I use these: https://www.monkeylectric.com/
         | 
         | I'm surprised they're not more common
        
         | FeepingCreature wrote:
         | Those still exist! Search for USB LED fan.
        
         | emiliobumachar wrote:
         | There absolutely were popular-ish toys in which a spinning line
         | of LEDs wrote messages, at least a few years ago in Brazil. I
         | can't find a reference.
        
           | wongarsu wrote:
           | If you pack the LEDs more densely, you can display images as
           | well, and in front of the right background it somewhat looks
           | as if it was floating in the air. This makes them somewhat
           | popular for advertising.
           | 
           | The first one one google is https://holocircle.com/en/ but
           | you will readily find devices on Amazon or at the retailer of
           | your choice if you search for "hologram fan" or "hologram
           | projector"
        
             | zimpenfish wrote:
             | I worked for a company back in 2009-10 that was trying to
             | make giant (8ftx12ft ish) LED billboards by using 6
             | spinners with LED arms that overlapped (IYSWIM.)
             | 
             | Only saw it spin up once and it terrified me - all the
             | wheels had to be chain-linked and -driven because they'd
             | tried keeping 6 motors synced up at the same exact speed
             | whilst spinning round hefty 4ft propellors and it just led
             | to the arms hitting each other and "rapid unscheduled
             | disassembly" - not what you want for your roadside adverts.
             | 
             | They also made huge cylindrical ones that were actually
             | deployed at a few places in London and around the UK. Never
             | really took off because the mini-PCs inside[1] tended to
             | shake themselves to bits after a few months of spinning
             | around at 4000rpm.
             | 
             | [1] I obtained my first Mac Mini from them free because
             | they'd tried that in a cylinder, the _hard drive_ Did Not
             | Like It, and they were just throwing it away.
        
         | ignite wrote:
         | There are a number of things like this. I can't find them now,
         | but they used to make spinning displays. They had a single
         | column of LEDs, but when you spun them, it would leave an
         | afterimage behind, so the message "floated" in the air.
         | 
         | Now, you can get fancier items, like
         | https://www.etsy.com/listing/491059634/strange-light-up-led-...
        
           | miahi wrote:
           | Isn't the item in the link just an acrylic glass with
           | patterns lasered on? With persistence of vision you can get
           | animations, so I would say that's the fancier one.
        
           | moloch-hai wrote:
           | They are generally labeled with "persistence of vision".
        
           | burntwater wrote:
           | You're likely thinking of these displays from companies such
           | as: https://hypervsn.com/ https://holofanco.com/
        
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