[HN Gopher] My husband was right about DVDs
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My husband was right about DVDs
Author : tekdude
Score : 245 points
Date : 2023-01-21 16:22 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| schmichael wrote:
| I wish this article had mentioned the greatest thing about DVDs:
|
| You can _lend_ them. Have a friend over and find out they have
| never seen <insert meaningful show or movie here> before?! No
| need to quick search and figure out if it's on a streaming
| service they have, just walk over and snatch it off your shelf
| and hand it to them.
|
| In the 00s the trade in media lending was so brisk my friends and
| I would keep spreadsheets and little databases of who-borrowed-
| what-from-whom. There's even a DVD little lending library in my
| neighborhood. Not to mention the public library system has tons
| of physical media to choose from.
|
| I love streaming and rarely turn to physical media these days,
| but as my kids get older and want to watch the same things over-
| and-over-and-over... building that DVD collection out again is
| looking really appealing.
| dieselgate wrote:
| For sure! Assuming anyone still has a method of playing them
| that is
| bitxbitxbitcoin wrote:
| In this day and age and that day and age, I've had friends
| offer me ripped DVDs or nowadays a single thumb drive with
| their entire former DVD collection and then some.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| I lent almost none of my DVDs and VHS tapes(!) back in the day
| because the fact of the matter is /people never gave them
| back/. Not even good friends.
|
| It's one of those lessons I learned early in life. If you're
| going to lend something to someone, do so with the expectation
| you're never getting it back.
| alar44 wrote:
| Yup, tools too. I'll come over and help ya, but nobody is
| going to borrow my tools.
| lowbloodsugar wrote:
| One cannot lend books or DVDs, one can only gift them.
| belugacat wrote:
| This is also true of DRM-free files on thumbdrives. More of my
| friends have devices with USB ports that can run VLC than
| optical drives these days (not to mention the whole zone thing,
| which is quickly a pain when you're a movie nerd)... thankfully
| generating a DRM-free file from a DVD is trivial.
|
| - signed, someone who also owns lots of CDs and DVDs, mostly
| old non US-produced things that are close to unfindable on
| streaming services :)
| LarryMullins wrote:
| In my family we swap around portable hard drives loaded up
| with movies. Mostly orchestrated by my aunt who started the
| tradition. Before then, it was burned DVDs and before then it
| was copied VHS tapes. When I was a kid my mother showed me
| how to circumvent copy protection on VHS by connecting a VCR
| to a VHS camcorder, although I forget which was doing the
| playback and which was doing the recording. It was a neat way
| to circumvent macrovision though.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| I need some automated streaming-service ripper that will burn
| DVDs whenever I pop in a blank disk. And maybe generate nice
| sticker label PDFs from some intermediate scene with the title.
| [deleted]
| derefr wrote:
| Consider instead: a Plex library backed by a "disk drive"
| that's actually a DVD/Blu-Ray jukebox. You can fish the disks
| out if you really want, but most of the time they're just
| "online" as part of your library. Buy a new one? Feed it to
| the jukebox. Ideally, rip one "into the library" and the
| jukebox will consume a blank disk to burn it, then file it.
|
| (AFAIK, this last bit is how Amazon Glacier works--just with
| some online disk drives in between to buffer content up into
| Blu-Ray-sized chunks.)
| bradknowles wrote:
| I'd be real surprised if it was anything beyond tape
| drives, plus a local cache. Check out the storage capacity
| on the latest LTO tapes, and the tape storage capacities of
| the large room-size tape robots.
| comprev wrote:
| One added bonus of having a limited selection to pick from was
| the quicker decision making time.
|
| With thousands of options via streaming services some of us
| become paralysed by choice!
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I keep a list of media that I have heard enough good things
| about in my notes to prevent this.
| jamiek88 wrote:
| great idea!
|
| I think I'll make a reminder list so I can just get siri to
| add them as I hear about them.
|
| I have a terrible memory but a large ego that doesn't let
| me admit it so I often forget about recommendations.
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| In a similar vein, once you pirate something you also own it
| forever. Netflix is never gonna delete Bojack Horseman off my
| hard drive.
| Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote:
| You say 'never' but I see the capacity for companies to
| remotely delete things on users drives that _feel like_ may be
| in copyright violation as a foregone conclusion at this point.
| It is an inevitability. Since both TVs and computers are
| usually internet enabled, you 'd have to super careful to never
| expose that drive to the net. I mean who is going to stop them?
| Lawmakers? chuckle-snort. The supreme court? giggle.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| You would either download the content encrypted or use Linux,
| I suppose.
| derwiki wrote:
| How is Netflix getting root on my box?
| dylan604 wrote:
| You'll give it to them when click the Accept button
| sdflhasjd wrote:
| In 2035, your hard drive will have firmware with built-in CSAM
| filtering, which - after a legal battle in the high court -
| will get hijacked for copyright enforcement.
| Karsteski wrote:
| Guess I'll be relegated to living in a cabin in the woods if
| we ever get to that point...
| EvanAnderson wrote:
| That's eerie. I say almost exactly the same thing. I don't
| know if I feel fortunate to have lived thru the period of
| people having access to personal computers that they
| actually owned or sad because I will know the pain of
| having had it.
| Karsteski wrote:
| Yea I feel that. I honestly think that the only reason my
| goals aren't to just buy a piece of land in rural Canada
| and live life in peace is because it's not the lifestyle
| my girlfriend wants. That being said, we still want rural
| living, just not as extreme as I sometimes dream about
| BuyMyBitcoins wrote:
| >" I'll be relegated to living in a cabin in the woods"
|
| Welcome to my Ted Talk...
| meindnoch wrote:
| ...and will pick up the hobby of making ingenous mail
| bombs?
| Karsteski wrote:
| Probably not, although I did used to be a chemist...
| Sholmesy wrote:
| If you have the physical hardware, there will be people able
| to produce their own firmware that disables built in
| filtering, or at least, disables the internet connecting that
| reports said filtering. You'll have a server that is
| disconnected from the internet with all your DRM free
| content.
|
| They would have to outlaw personal computing, and not allow
| you to build your own servers with no firmware-enforced
| filtering, which given the current direction, is not
| particularly farfetched, but at that point battle is lost
| anyway and your DVD rips are the least of your problems.
| EvanAnderson wrote:
| RoHS and lead-free solder insures that the relatively open
| hardware we have today won't function in the future, post-
| personal computing being outlawed. I don't think it's a
| vast conspiracy, but rather a happy accident.
| kvetching wrote:
| But a strong solar flare might.
| saghm wrote:
| That's the other benefit of offline backups; you can have as
| many as you want. If a solar flare wipes out every hard drive
| I own simultaneously, I think I might have bigger problems
| than a lack of TV shows to watch.
| reureu wrote:
| Quick plug for "Mr. Burns: a Post-Electric play", where an
| event wipes out the electric grid and people start trying
| to recreate an old Simpsons episode.
|
| There are multiple productions on YouTube, such as:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuL7EbjFBBw
|
| Description on wikipedia:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Burns,_a_Post-
| Electric_Pla...
| Freak_NL wrote:
| That sounds like the onset of a Cory Doctorow story. Armed
| autonomous Netflix' bots bearing down on your residence to
| physically delete your Bojack Horseman copies -- all legalities
| taken care of by the newly amended copyright protection laws.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| The sequel to Fahrenheit 451: Oersted 5000.
| jedberg wrote:
| This is silly. Just rip them and give them away. You'll spend
| less on mirrored hard drives than storage for the disks. And you
| can always BitTorrent movies you already own on DVD/BluRay guilt
| free.
|
| The only reason I still have my stack of disks is because I
| haven't had time to rip them and their special features yet. That
| and we keep the disks for kids movies because the van doesn't
| have streaming support or AppleTV yet. :)
| agiacalone wrote:
| Ripped all my DVDs in 2010, donated them, and haven't looked
| back. Nowadays with Plex, I see no reason to ever use physical
| media again
| npteljes wrote:
| A hard drive with movie rips goes much further than a bunch of
| disks. Copies don't have the adverts, unskippable anti-piracy
| bullshit, or region locking. And letting go, and adapting to new
| media goes even further.
|
| On the other hand, when I look something up from my past, I'm
| always thankful for the random archivist who still has a copy.
| claviska wrote:
| Years ago, I stupidly got rid of my entire South Park DVD
| collection because they were on Netflix. Until they eventually
| weren't. Chris was right.
| friend_and_foe wrote:
| If you want to save physical space, you can rip them all and
| store them on a drive that's smaller then the DVD player you use
| to play your DVDs. That's what I do.
| mrweasel wrote:
| The DVDs actually doesn't take up a ton of space. What we did
| was buying the cheapest version of a movie and just throw away
| the cover. You can get DVD/BluRay binders that will hold 200 -
| 400 discs in the space of a few large books.
|
| I find ripping movies a little tiresome. Getting the quality,
| sound and subtitles right can be challenging.
| [deleted]
| sublinear wrote:
| > I still don't actually use our DVDs and Blu-rays all that
| often. But every time I see them lining the shelves, I feel a bit
| of comfort. Because when I do need them, they'll be there.
|
| Hey how about you just stop watching junk and live your life?
|
| I'm absolutely making a lifestyle judgment here. Hoarding can
| become a serious problem.
| BirAdam wrote:
| Humans used to gather around fires and listen story tellers at
| night. Now we gather around our glowing screens to watch
| stories unfold. You can take humans out of the woods and plains
| and put them in houses, but we don't actually change much. It
| ain't hoarding. It's keeping stories around.
| humanistbot wrote:
| Are you also the kind of person who won't stop calling all
| sports "sportsball" when they come up in a conversation?
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Do you have an actual point? If so, maybe you could state it,
| because this sounds like 1) speculation, 2) completely
| unrelated, and 3) gratuitously insulting.
| skcusgnad wrote:
| [dead]
| skcusgnad wrote:
| [dead]
| InCityDreams wrote:
| I've been hoarding every bit of music I've composed since the
| eighties. What advice would you give, before it becomes a
| serious problem? I'd also like to ask: how old is the oldest
| thing you own? And, additionally, what are the two oldest
| things you own? At what point does having more than one of
| something become hoarding?
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Keeping _your own work_ is completely different from keeping
| everything you 've ever watched on Netflix.
|
| Michael W. Smith tells about being in the studio, and not
| being able to get something to sound right. He went back to
| listen to an old work tape, and realized "OK, nobody should
| be playing but the piano. That's what's wrong right now in
| the studio." If that's what you do, keep it all, even the "in
| process" stuff.
|
| But as I said, stuff you _watched_ is different from stuff
| you _made_.
| a13o wrote:
| I did a physical media purge a few years back, and kept just a
| drawer-ful of my absolute favorites. This past Christmas I
| thought I'd watch one of them - but then I realized I don't even
| own a DVD player. I don't think I ever did. Some game console
| would play it, or my PC. But now the PC has no 5.25" bays, and
| the game consoles are all-digital.
|
| My conclusion is not that the author's husband is right. But
| rather that I should get rid of these remaining DVDs. I've never
| thought much about digital nomadism, but I suppose I practice it.
| There's always something new to watch.
| taeric wrote:
| I'm somewhat sympathetic to this, but media is a ridiculous money
| pit for folks. Don't get me wrong, I've done it. And I'll
| probably continue to buy some physical media for a while. But I
| have a hard time justifying the cost of giant personal libraries.
| They are almost certainly destined for a landfill after an estate
| sell.
| marmetio wrote:
| I put all my old disks in sleeves or stacked on spindles,
| organized alphabetically. They take up almost no space and it's
| practical enough for infrequent use.
| adamgordonbell wrote:
| We just got a DVD player again, because my wife wanted to watch
| 'The Wonder Years' and because of all the music in it (which is
| great, btw) my understanding is it can't stream anywhere anymore.
|
| (Or that is the theory I heard why no one is streaming it.)
|
| Other shows got redone with other music so they could release it,
| but music is pretty heavily used in the wonder years.
| chriscjcj wrote:
| > Other shows got redone with other music so they could release
| it
|
| WKRP in Cincinnati is another example. I don't know if they
| still exist, but there used to be torrents of VHS rips of WKRP
| so that it could be viewed with the original music.
| efficax wrote:
| although i love the cinema and watch a lot of tv, i'm kind of
| indifferent to the problem of streaming content disappearing.
| before streaming content i watched a lot less and read a lot
| more, and i think i was better for it. so if they took it all
| away and made it harder to find it might be to my benefit
| causality0 wrote:
| In my opinion the true advantage of discs is all the extra
| content. Sure, I can download or stream a copy of any movie I
| want but it's pretty damned hard to get it with the commentary
| track without buying a disc.
| christkv wrote:
| I've started browsing second hand blue rays and picking up some
| every week. Lots of special editions and other extra material you
| don't get on streaming and tons of movies I can not even find on
| either Netflix, HBO or Prime.
| photochemsyn wrote:
| One real danger of putting all historical video media on
| streaming sites is that it makes it far too easy to introduce an
| Orwellian Ministry of Truth that is empowered to rewrite the past
| to make it conform to today's acceptable social norms, academic
| ideologies, government agendas and so on.
|
| For example, one could make the argument that Alfred Hitchcock's
| entire library promotes negative stereotypes of women - and it's
| true, women in Hitchcock films are not the strong types, they're
| more often helpless victims who have to be rescued by male
| characters. This clearly, one could say, promotes negative female
| stereotypes which are damaging to young women so all those movies
| should be removed from streaming services.
|
| One could continue in this manner, selectively pulling anime
| movies because they promote excessive violence and sexuality to a
| teenage audience, or war movies like Apocalypse Now and Dr
| Strangelove that portray military generals as clueless maniacs,
| or if the pendulum swings back to the social conservative end,
| pulling all horror movies that don't portray Christianity in a
| positive light or have too many Satanic themes, and on and on.
|
| Keeping hard copies in your personal possession is one way around
| this, but since the copyrights and hence distribution rights are
| held by these conglomerates that don't want to get in trouble
| with some political group or other by making them available,
| nobody else can view them without going through pirate sites - a
| very unfortunate situation.
| culi wrote:
| Or you can torrent them...
|
| One person's collection serves that one person, but there are
| some really cool groups out there like DocuWiki[0] that try to
| archive every documentary out there and serve them on the
| eDonkey network. There's been numerous times I've failed to
| find a documentary by even the original publisher. Like I
| literally couldn't give them my money no matter how much I
| tried. And even libraries didn't have it. But good old DocuWiki
| always had my back
|
| Torrents are kind of like a community archive
|
| [0] https://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Special:Newpages
| lrvick wrote:
| Who knew dirty pirates would become the worlds archivists of
| culture.
| jimbob45 wrote:
| https://medium.com/everything-80s/why-are-streaming-services...
|
| They already do this frequently. 4chan has been tracking it for
| ages now.
| enriquto wrote:
| Heh. This is like medieval illuminators who painted fig
| leaves over the nude drawings made by their predecessors.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| Or the prudes went around whacking the Johnsons off all the
| statues
| klyrs wrote:
| Always gotta ask, is that prudish or kinky?
| qbrass wrote:
| 1 in 3 think it's prudish, 1 in 5 think it's kinky, and 1
| in 15 think it's kinky when prudish people do it.
| snickerbockers wrote:
| Netflix actually removed a segment from an early 90s bill Nye
| episode because it said there are two genders.
| neuronic wrote:
| This seems weird. No one disagrees that there are 2
| biological (genetic) genders. Gender identity is something
| entirely else that is being actively researched.
|
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/
| fear_and_coffee wrote:
| [dead]
| LawTalkingGuy wrote:
| The United States Assistant Secretary for Health, who is
| male, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine is
| listed as female on Wikipedia and participates in White
| House panels on women's health, as a woman. Levine
| participated in the panel with Dylan Mulvaney, another
| male, who talks about using Tampons now that they've got
| a "girl's body".
|
| They're pretty clear about the message, and this is
| literally at the highest level.
|
| At a lower level, the school board and nursing union in
| my area both say that children can be born in the wrong
| bodies and may need medical adjustment to be comfortable
| "as themselves". That sounds a lot like saying that their
| sex is wrong, not their identity.
|
| Here is a link about current medical school practice:
| https://www.plebity.org/article/gender-ideology-is-
| wreaking-...
|
| Flagged for posting truth. Obviously you people aren't
| fathers and do not care one fucking iota about women.
| chownie wrote:
| This is a pretty disingenuous take isn't it? Dylan
| Mulvaney carries tampons as a service to others who might
| need them because she was once asked for one in a
| bathroom.
| LawTalkingGuy wrote:
| No, because while Dylan sometimes says that, the rest of
| the time they talk about the miraculous changes to their
| body, etc, and participate in _female sexual health_
| panels. They 're trying to have it both ways as
| convenient.
|
| If you feel that this is incorrect, go to Wiki and try to
| edit Rachel Levine's entry to remove the word female and
| you can personally see how the community views this.
| Godel_unicode wrote:
| This is incorrect. According to NIH there is no such
| thing as "biological (genetic) gender". You're thinking
| of biological sex.
|
| https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
| [deleted]
| schroeding wrote:
| In many languages, like German (which may be GPs native
| language), those two things share the same exact word,
| requiring modifier words like "biological" to
| differentiate between the two, making everything a bit
| confusing when crossing the language barrier.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Even that's not really cut-and-dry. I don't normally like
| linking to twitter, but this thread is amazing
| (scientific) content: https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/st
| atus/1207834357639139328?...
| Godel_unicode wrote:
| Totally agree, I was responding to the twin assertions
| that gender is based in genetics and that there only
| being two is widely accepted.
| fullmoon wrote:
| It appears that way, but skirts around the gametic model
| of discerning biological sex that is the golden standard
| for other species, while elevating the status of
| chromosomal defects.
|
| It's a good example how selective presentation of
| scientific realities can be abused to mislead.
|
| Chromosomal defects in a binary system don't constitute a
| new or between-state, and it also isn't commonly
| described that way: XXY (Kleinfeltner) affecting males is
| the mainstream position.
| shuntress wrote:
| You are incorrect in two ways. First, you are conflating
| sex and gender. Second, sex is a bimodal distribution
| rather than a fixed binary.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
| fullmoon wrote:
| Intersex is about characteristics, not biological sex.
| arockwell wrote:
| It really isn't quite that simple. There are Intersex
| people who have ambiguous genitalia and there are several
| viable chromosome combos besides XX and XY.
| DoneWithAllThat wrote:
| [flagged]
| shrimp_emoji wrote:
| Stop what?
|
| Using accurate information? Not ignoring the complexities
| of the world?
|
| That comment is absolutely correct; to make things more
| confusing, people whose sex appears female can turn out
| to have XY allosomes in some, or all[0], of their cells.
|
| 0: https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/
| fullmoon wrote:
| As the article you've linked states this syndrome affects
| males, makes them resistant to androgens, so they have an
| appearance of females.
|
| It doesn't state anywhere that the patients are either
| female or belong to a novel category.
| evandale wrote:
| From your own link Morris syndrome affects males. In
| fact, the presence of a Y chromosome by definition means
| the person is of male sex and it really is as simple as
| that. One's appearance has no effect on their sex.
| fullmoon wrote:
| In sexually dimorphic mammalian species sex is most
| commonly by the ability to produce either the small or
| big gametes, not chromosomes.
|
| In humans syndromes that lead to ambiguous ("intersex")
| presentation and/or chromosomes are still operating in a
| binary system, eh Klinefelter affects boys.
|
| The same is true for (very) rare hermaphroditism: in this
| case both gametes could in theory be produced, in
| practice though individuals are sterile.
| yucky wrote:
| Those are birth defects though. For instance, we still
| understand humans as being bipedal despite anomalies that
| prevent a tiny fraction of humans from being bipedal.
| inetknght wrote:
| `XXY` is a valid combination of sex chromosomes. The
| person has two `X` chromosomes so is female. The person
| also has one `Y` chromosome so is male. Which sex is the
| person? Is it a birth defect?
| evandale wrote:
| XXY is Klinefelter syndrome. By definition it's a
| condition where boys and men are born with an extra X
| chromosome. Their sex is male because, also by
| definition, the presence of a Y chromosome means male.
| [deleted]
| fullmoon wrote:
| The term "birth defect" fell out of use because of its
| stigmatizing word construction.
|
| Chromosomal abnormalities would be the modern term, it
| applies to both sexual as well as other chromosomal
| abnormalities like Down.
|
| But to answer the question as asked: Yes, it fulfills the
| definition of the older term.
| shuntress wrote:
| It's more nuanced than you are presenting here. The obvious
| middle ground is the use of "Poison Cabinets" where certain
| works are deliberately and explicitly separated from their
| contemporaries with obvious labels explaining that they express
| ideas or opinions known now to be harmful. This way they are
| not lost or erased but also not treated as if they are
| perfectly normal and acceptable.
|
| For another thing, there is also at least some element here of
| the right to be forgotten. It's obviously different for groups
| vs individuals but our systems should allow some amount of
| agency to people who regret things they have produced in the
| past and wish for them to be forgotten.
| [deleted]
| eggy wrote:
| Sort of like the anniversary edition of ET where Spielberg
| replaced the guns with walkie talkies, and other digital edits.
| Ironically he was criticized for too much smoking in the West
| Side Story remake. And sometimes a film I want is nowhere to be
| found, even a mainstream, older hit. I keep a few boxes of DVDs
| to make sure I can show them to the people stuck in the Matrix
| in the future!
| 56friends wrote:
| This fact always reminds me of that funny video cut of
| Stallone where his machine gun is edited out so it looks like
| he is thumbs up-ing relentlessly.
| cgh wrote:
| The lack of smoking is something to ponder. It's always so
| glaring to me when TV shows that take place in the '80s and
| '90s show almost no one smoking, when in fact if you went
| into any public place, probably 30-50% (or more, if it's eg a
| pub) would be smoking, including in people's homes, offices
| and so forth. I wonder if the huge and realistic amounts of
| smoking seen in shows like Mad Men will be edited out one
| day.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| Growing up in CA in the 90s I didn't see that much smoking.
| It was even banned in 1998, which means probably it wasn't
| that popular by then.
| nhtsamera wrote:
| Rail travel is one of the last places that you still see
| this in the US.
|
| I took a cross-country Amtrak trip right before the
| pandemic, and most of the conductor's announcements were
| just to tell us when the next smoke break would be.
|
| When the train got stuck waiting for cross traffic at a
| freight yard in rural North Dakota, an incipient passenger
| mutiny forced them to break the rules and let everyone pop
| out for some light trespassing and nicotine consumption.
|
| It felt strange in a similar, but opposite way to what
| you're describing.
| eggy wrote:
| I grew up when there was a smoking section on the plane
| (BTW, why do modern aircraft still have ashtrays? Are there
| any airlines that allow smoking?). I miss All in the
| Family. Is it even available anymore?
| 542458 wrote:
| The ashtray is actually _mandatory_ even in new planes
| per FAA rules.
|
| Modern aircraft still have ashtrays in the washrooms
| because they'd much prefer that somebody choosing to
| sneak a smoke puts their cigarette somewhere other than
| the washroom trash bin where there's a history of them
| starting fires.
| naveen99 wrote:
| Maybe limit the actual truth to the top 1-5% , and leave the
| masses to the sanitized version of history... which is
| basically the status quo in the west with mainstream media /
| Hollywood, and CCP in the east with China.
| iambateman wrote:
| This is like keeping a shotgun in your house to protect against
| the government. If the government is ready to conduct
| systematic disinformation campaigns, your DVD's probably won't
| help.
| 15155 wrote:
| How did Vietnam and Afghanistan fare against "the
| government?"
| garbagecoder wrote:
| Better than the Confederacy my cherry picking cliche
| replyguy.
| harvey9 wrote:
| Can someone clarify this chain for me? Keeping a gun to
| defend your home against the government is probably
| futile because the government always has more weapons and
| more fighters than you.
|
| The other three cases were all wars - an apples to
| oranges comparison.
| maxwell wrote:
| You think members of the U.S. military would side with
| the government and execute orders against American
| citizens on American soil?
| lrvick wrote:
| They are trained to do anything they are told. Anything.
|
| Remember the Chinese military had no problem mowing down
| protestors if their bosses give the order.
|
| That said, it is easier and safer to defend yourself from
| a government in modern society with information and free
| uncensored communication than with guns.
| still_grokking wrote:
| > One real danger of putting all historical video media on
| streaming sites is that it makes it far too easy to introduce
| an Orwellian Ministry of Truth that is empowered to rewrite the
| past to make it conform to today's acceptable social norms,
| academic ideologies, government agendas and so on.
|
| I see such rewriting of the past, or at least attempts of that,
| on Wikipedia. It's not really hidden as there is a (hopefully!)
| integer edit history, but who reads the edit history anyway?
| Usually you just look at articles as they are at the current
| moment.
|
| As we don't have much "hard copies" of a lot of stuff any more
| around the possibility to "rewrite the past" for significant
| amounts of people becomes a real thread as we rely more and
| more on digital and purely online data.
|
| Given how "durable" our digital data is future historians will
| have a very hard time. Maybe our time will become a dark age
| when seen form the future. Have you tried lately to open some
| files from the 80'es that reside on some storage medium form
| that time? And that's only a few years in the past. Imagine 500
| yeas in the future. What will be left of all the cat videos on
| YouTube (and maybe some more important data)?
| veltas wrote:
| >but who reads the edit history anyway?
|
| Every time I look at a controversial article, and I'm
| unconvinced by the implicit narratives, I will look at the
| history, and more often than not there are interesting
| details lurking in the past versions.
|
| And sometimes it's just fascinating looking at how details on
| a situation unrolled over time. Like for instance, go look at
| Jeffrey Epstein's Wikipedia history: there was an article on
| him preceding the publicity of his abuse.
|
| I am under the impression right now that Wikipedia history is
| quite permanent unless an article is totally deleted, and
| that people do not prune the history of content they wish to
| censor. I hope it remains this way, cynically I don't think
| this will always be so, prove me wrong Wikipedia!
| expensive_news wrote:
| Could you give some examples of a page on Wikipedia being
| rewritten? I'm familiar with the incident of redefining what
| a 'recession' is but I'm always curious for more examples.
| zdw wrote:
| There are already incidences of this:
|
| The TV show Community is missing an episode on Netflix for some
| reason (edit: reason was Ken Jeong in what could be interpreted
| as blackface).
|
| The IT Crowd is missing one in some geos because it was
| considered anti-Trans by some - that episode also has the
| unrelated and hilarious plot where Roy and Moss convince Jen
| that they're loaning her a "black box that holds the entire
| internet".
| at_a_remove wrote:
| Mustn't forget tidying up the wrist-slitting in 13 Reasons
| Why.
| klyrs wrote:
| Nor should we forget the social contagion risk of suicide
|
| > After the series' release, a study published in the
| Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent
| Psychiatry found that suicide among teenagers rose by 28.9%
| in the month after Netflix launched the show.
| rajin444 wrote:
| Nor should we forget to beware the man of one study.
| Sinidir wrote:
| The Werther Effect is thoroughly studied effect. There
| are plenty of studies on the issue.
| klyrs wrote:
| Who's the "man" in this case? Not me. Not a man, and I
| see that study as a single data point associated with a
| single event. There are _many_ studies on the social
| contagion effect of suicide, enough that it 's worth
| considering the possible impact of how suicide is
| depicted in media.
| ac29 wrote:
| While 28.9% sounds like a shocking number, it was only a
| few dozen additional deaths.
|
| A few additional concerns with the paper:
|
| -The authors made no effort to try and determine if any
| of the people who died had seen the show, or even had
| heard of it.
|
| -Suicides were up the month _before_ the show was
| released as well.
|
| -In fact, suicides in that age group had been trending up
| for years according to their data, which is not mentioned
| in the discussion of results at all.
| garbagecoder wrote:
| That's not an instance of the Ministry of Truth. My brother
| in Christ, that's a corporation doing that.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| It's worse than a government censorship org, because it's
| all backroom pressure. It enables right-wing idiots to
| invent conspiracy.
|
| 60s cartoons are contraband. Stupid.
| cbm-vic-20 wrote:
| If a streaming service is concerned about this, instead of
| dissappearing an episode, they could put a disclaimer slide
| at the beginning: "<Streaming Service> does not approve of
| the views made within this episode. Click <here> to skip to
| the next episode."
| zikduruqe wrote:
| Or the SpongeBob SquarePants "Panty Raid" episode.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| There are some episodes like that where... like, I am
| against censorship in general especially considering the
| state of our world right now, but it is still weird to me
| that a cadre of writers thought that would be a good idea
| to make - and network executives agreed!
| klipklop wrote:
| I bought a copy of 'Tropic Thunder' for exactly this reason.
| One day it will be pulled from all streaming platforms due to
| RDJ playing a black man.
| yellow_lead wrote:
| There really isn't another movie like tropic thunder Imo
| Gemoto wrote:
| I mean it's tropic thunder. What would be really lost here?
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Some academicians insist in seeing Art even in "popular"
| works. But also beside that, well, you would lose a
| popular work - if somebody did it, they probably "put
| something in it".
| TheCondor wrote:
| That episode of Community also explicitly referred to the
| black face as a "hate crime." I don't think it's so much a
| matter of interpretation as that was the direct gag they were
| going for.
|
| Do we know who actually pulled the content? Netflix clearly
| doesn't have a policy against streaming partial amount of
| content when they can't get it all from a provider but it's
| not clear to me if Netflix pulled a single episode of
| Community or if the licensers maybe refused to license that
| episode. I think I read that Sony was supportive of the
| episode being pulled.
|
| I think most of this content will come back once the industry
| as a whole sort of figures out the positioning. There are
| something the creators are embarrassed by and it might never
| come back but I expect there to be a new rating or something
| similar (Disney+ does this already) where they'll indicate
| before the media plays that it may be offensive or
| insensitive. News shows do this when covering certain types
| of crimes.
| kingforaday wrote:
| I wonder if the reverse is true. Anyone remember the Wayans
| Bros. Movie "White Chicks"?
| maxwell wrote:
| https://www.bet.com/article/hk8s72/shawn-wayans-on-people-
| wh...
| ethbr0 wrote:
| My overriding memory of Shawn and Marlon Wayans will
| always be an MTV Movie Awards (or some such) from the
| 90s, where they were hosting.
|
| Some smart-ass comic gets up on the stage and leads with
| "I always said you were the two talented ones in the
| family."
|
| Ouch. And double-ouch at the big laugh it got from the
| audience.
| dehrmann wrote:
| How can you forget the bit with Terry Crews singing
| Thousand Miles?
| [deleted]
| selimthegrim wrote:
| Frank Zappa's albums had one particular song removed from
| their track list on Google's search results.
| TMWNN wrote:
| I've heard that the official clips of _Saturday Night Live_
| on YouTube are routinely posted with edits in which
| significant chunks are excised for "problematic" jokes,
| without any notice.
| kawsper wrote:
| The story about the pulled IT Crowd episode is covered here:
| https://screenrant.com/it-crowd-controversy-graham-
| linehan-a...
| mdp2021 wrote:
| With a very heavy perspective. Among the recurrent signs,
| the following suffices:
|
| > _inviting laughter and derision toward the... community_
|
| No. Just finding an occasion for the selected direction in
| creativity. Which the writer of the article seems to want
| to make ideological, with the exception of one use of the
| expression "<<cheap laugh>>" (which, for that matter, may
| bring attention to the other "celebrated" subplot of "the
| elders of the Internet" - using the same perspective, it
| would be as if "making cheap laughs through a sort of
| "ableism"").
| pxc wrote:
| Nah dude. I recently re-watched the whole show, and while
| I liked certain parts of it... it's a very transphobic
| show. And it's not just that episode; that episode gets
| callbacks in future episodes all the time.
|
| It's a mean spirited gag, and the mere fact of being
| transgender is the punch line, over and over. It sucks.
| It makes revisiting the show more cringey and less fun.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Since you raised your doubts, I just re-watched it -
| series 3, episode 4. And I confirm the view.
|
| The whole episode is about the clumsiness of living,
| consistently with the project idea ("the IT crowd",
| outcast specialists with little interface to the public,
| which is a mass of people thrown into some role "<<not
| doing much work but constantly having affairs>>" -
| confused humans -, with a link which is the portrait of
| incompetence trying to make a living - trying to live -
| into something she does not understand). All the
| characters do is "attempting", trying to fit a role. The
| difficulties of living roles could be a trigger for the
| development of the substory involving Douglas Reynholm
| and April (and the gender instrumental to that). The
| whole idea climaxes in the "collapse of civilization"
| when the "stakeholders", as "topmost layer of the role-
| players", are in front of the catastrophic loss of the
| Internet, and the "punchline from above" is that of Moss:
| <<It really isn't that funny>> - of course, because it is
| tragic.
|
| While I could see that the "It's over" scene could be to
| some extent insensitive, given that the writers may have
| supposed that it would be something lived by a number in
| such group, it was instrumental to the fight scene, which
| is a consolidated topos. And the "victory" seems to be on
| the other side, since the "punchline from inside" is that
| of Douglas, which ends the episode crying, going "It's
| not the same!" (It's not the same without her, or him -
| as she was both the "other half" and the "pal"). So, not
| only I do not see a phobia, but on the contrary, I see
| the opposite message, towards seeing people for what they
| are, and to love that whatever they are (also since the
| premise of the whole is, as said, that they will be
| confused imperfect players) - Douglas could not and he is
| alone crying.
| anigbrowl wrote:
| _The IT Crowd is missing one in some geos because it was
| considered anti-Trans by some_
|
| I have a lot of mixed feelings about this one; though I don't
| think the ep should be removed, it is in poor taste and
| arguably defeats its own comic intentions. I suspect the
| deeper objection is not to the content _per se_ but how it
| reads in the context of Graham Linehan subsequently aligning
| himself as a massive transphobe and making it into a
| political cause.
|
| I don't know Linehan personally, but grew up near him and
| followed his career since long before he went into
| television, when he was writing film and TV reviews in an
| alt-weekly paper for beer money. He has always been a comic
| genius, able to turn excruciating social pain into hilarious
| farce, while also being willing to cheer on success. I
| remember he once opened a movie review for a film called _Eat
| the Peach_ with 'At last, an Irish movie that does not make
| me want to run to the toilets and lick all four walls.'
|
| That kind of self-criticality and emotional nakedness has
| deep roots in the Irish identity, and it is what makes Roy,
| an Irish man working for an incomprehensible and irrational
| corporation in London, such a compelling character. I find
| the show especially entertaining because I've been that
| person, doing that exact job, working for those kind of
| companies in London, often under bosses like Jen or
| Denholm/Douglas Reynholm. Linehan's character portraits, even
| for a single episode or scene, are incredibly sharp and
| truthful. In _The Work Outing_ , where Roy and Moss
| unwillingly accompany Jen to the theater, there's a scene
| where Jerome, an extroverted PR guy, is introduced to Roy &
| Moss. No sooner has Roy diffidently said hello than Jerome
| exclaims 'Oh my god you're _Irish!_ I _love_ Irish people!
| They 're all mad aren't they! They're just _mad!_ ' and the
| exchange spirals downward into cringe. The whole episode is a
| comic masterpiece, but this brief scene has a special place
| in my heart as I've had that conversation _hundreds_ of times
| in my life.
|
| In this scene but also in general, the engine of comedy is
| the mismatch between characters who are quirky and self-
| conscious (like Roy and Jen) and those who are quirky but
| oblivious (like Moss, Douglas Reynholm, and here, Jerome).
| When characters go against their 'natural' type they get
| punished in hilarious ways, by being stuck with the baggage
| of their transgression which then multiplies itself
| exponentially. The plot frame for this episode is that Jen
| tries to be oblivious in pursuit of a date with another
| oblivious-seeming person, who turns out to be even more
| painfully self-aware than she is. As in all restorative
| comedies, the characters who transgress end up feeling worse
| but wiser, nothing really bad happens, and everything returns
| to normal.
|
| In _The Speech_ (the 'banned' episode), hopelessly
| insensitive CEO Douglas Reynholm meets an attractive lady
| journalist, April, and romance blossoms. Despite her repeated
| advisories that she used to be a man, Douglas thinks he's
| found the perfect woman who not just tolerates but admires
| and enjoys his shallow hyper-masculinity, sharing and even
| exceeding his love of bad action movies, heavy drinking, and
| competitive sports. But gradually reality gets through even
| his dense skull and he ends the relationship - briefly taking
| responsibility for the situation, before reverting to type
| and deflecting blame back onto April. Mutual recriminations
| quickly escalate into a fist fight straight out of a bad
| action movie, with Douglas wins - thereby regaining his
| 'boss' status - by knocking April out. He is subsequently
| shown as being vilified in the press and sobbing over the
| loss of his erstwhile companion, with whom he was actually
| compatible.
|
| (Roy, Moss, and Jen are relegated to the less-important plot
| frame story in this episode, which sets up but is peripheral
| to the emotional conflict of the main story. In dramatic and
| thriller forms, the emotional conflict sets up but is
| peripheral to the main plot action; _John Wick_ is the purest
| distillation of this.)
|
| _The Speech_ breaks two comedy rules in that the climactic
| suffering is not just emotional but physical, and something
| really bad does happen (the knockout). While it 's implied
| that April recovers (going on to write a negative magazine
| article about Douglas) and Douglas actually feels bad, the
| comedically awkward social conflict of incongruous gender
| expectations crosses a line into physical violence which
| writers normally avoid. The violence is also intense; while
| this is meant to parody the bad action movies both Douglas
| and April enjoy, most comedy violence involves characters
| either flailing around, missing their punches, and blundering
| into the furniture or escalating quickly to absurd extremes
| like explosions or natural disasters. Though there are
| multiple comic touches in the fight scene, it's choreographed
| as a conventional aggressive fistfight, with a lot of punches
| to the head in both directions.
|
| This was a bit too close to reality for a lot of people,
| because transgender women _do_ suffer a disproportionate
| amount of physical violence up to and including murder, and
| this often takes place in the context of relationships.
| Perpetrators often defend themselves in court by insisting
| that they were deceived by a transgender romantic or sexual
| partner and acted violently out of fear and panic, which many
| find wildly implausible. Complaints gradually mounted over a
| 12 year period and in 2020 the UK broadcaster of the show
| announced they were dropping the episode from reruns.
|
| Graham Linehan, who wrote and directed the episode, reacted
| badly, announced he was cutting ties with the broadcaster
| (after years of fruitful partnership), and went on a vicious
| tirade on social which eventually led to the suspension of
| his Twitter account - strangely parallel to the trajectory of
| the fictional Douglas. Rather than compromising or de-
| escalating, he raised it to the level of a political issue
| asserting that his civil rights (of free speech) were under
| attack and going on to attack transgender people in general
| in the most vituperative terms. In the context of an ongoing
| trend of escalating violence towards trans people (nearly
| doubling in the last year) his increasingly strident position
| has alienated a great many of his former fans.
| legitster wrote:
| A couple of episodes of 30 Rock as well.
| Klonoar wrote:
| Doesn't Always Sunny have this issue as well?
| nickthegreek wrote:
| I think about 4 or 5 episodes.
| oliveshell wrote:
| Yes [1], mostly the episodes that involve Kaitlin Olson's
| character, Dee Reynolds, who aspires to a career in
| comedy, _herself_ inventing and portraying racially
| insensitive characters within the story of the show.
|
| I'm not the type to rail against such things generally,
| but IMO it was unnecessary and misguided to remove these
| episodes: their humor came deliberately from how
| oblivious Dee was to the offensiveness of her act.
|
| Indeed, her portrayals are usually immediately and
| explicitly critiqued by her fellow characters as being
| racist and insane.
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/IASIP/comments/hflb6t/list_o
| f_its_a...
| legitster wrote:
| This is somehow the most mindnumbing. It's a show about
| terrible people doing terrible things. Like, they can
| only display certain, acceptable, forms of terribleness?
| InvaderFizz wrote:
| That's sad. That internet black box plot line is one of the
| best known and most beloved about the series.
| [deleted]
| asddubs wrote:
| I mean, "was considered anti-Trans by some" is pretty
| charitable for that episode. It is pretty overtly anti-trans,
| and the show as a whole was written by grahan linnehan who
| has also been vocally anti-trans
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| The classic issue with censorship. "I don't enjoy it,
| therefore, _nobody_ should be allowed to enjoy it. And I
| won 't be happy _until_ nobody else can enjoy it. If you
| enjoy it, that makes you <insert moral judgement here>.
| And because I am not that, and nobody who is <insert moral
| judgement here> is for that content, it should be removed."
|
| Now... I will admit, it isn't always wrong (CP). But it
| often is the fruit of an unwitting narcissism.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| The person you're engaging with wasn't making an argument
| about whether it should be censored, just that the pulled
| episode was clearly anti-trans
| mdp2021 wrote:
| There is also a possibility that the poster subtly
| willingly replaced 'anti-' with "[all that in actual
| evidence from this side appears is that apparently,] you
| don't enjoy it", and on that basis returned to (an
| argument about) the original point of censorship.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| A very "semantically open" use of 'anti-', as some may be
| surprised to know that there are people who watched that
| episode and did not judge it the least deprecatory towards
| any category.
|
| "I mean", as if Douglas Reynholm (the "phobic" - finally, a
| literal case - in the episode) was drawn as an exemplary
| character, a model of a human being... "I mean II", I
| checked on a search engine for the spelling of the surname,
| and the first under-link stub that resulted is << _Douglas
| Reynholm was an incredibly arrogant, self-righteous,
| pompous, cruel and elitist egomaniac who considered himself
| to be somewhat above everybody else. He viewed women as
| objects to feel and manipulate to his incredible sexual
| mania_ >>...
|
| --
|
| Edit: Furthermore. As "everyone" knows, Graham was a humble
| watchman in the hospital where Dr. Rick Dagless worked (the
| "Darkplace"), and probably does not even speak TCP today.
| So, when he wrote the scene of the people who believe they
| have in front of them "the Internet" - like the one called
| "<<stupid cow>>" by an adlibber because she did not realize
| "the internet is weightless" (and so also must be "the box
| which is the Internet" in the scene) -, when he wrote that,
| did he mean to diminish and elicit contempt for all the non
| technically inclined, probably including himself?
| gnarbarian wrote:
| so don't watch it.
|
| with censorship nobody can watch it.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| Right, why is it I can stream Hitler's speeches as much
| as I want, but this one episode is apparently too
| dangerous?
| birdyrooster wrote:
| BBC is notorious for black face on their programs even in
| recent decades.
| werdnapk wrote:
| The main character in Noel Fielding's Luxury Comedy is a
| black face, but do people honestly say any face painted in
| black is racist? Noel is clearly using a black face in his
| show for artistic reasons and isn't racist in the
| slightest... IMO.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| In fact, there had been censorship of the Mighty Boosh
| episode with "the Spirit of Jazz".
| birdyrooster wrote:
| In particular the one that frustrates me frequently is
| Mitchell and Webb. Why in **s name did they have to lean on
| blackface?
| js8 wrote:
| You don't have public libraries in the U.S.? In my country,
| it's government-mandated job of public libraries to collect
| historical media.
| xeromal wrote:
| We do have that. It's the library of congress that ensures
| the safety of culturally important media in the US.
|
| And of course we have public libraries with all kinds of good
| media.
|
| I don't think the comment your replying to is even talking
| about public libraries. I believe they're saying if society
| determines a person is cancelled and it's on a streaming
| service, it can instantly disappear from most streaming
| media.
| wyre wrote:
| I don't think it's about individuals getting canceled. It's
| about how the streaming service has carte blanche power to
| decide the material on the service, regardless of what
| society wants.
| js8 wrote:
| My point was this. Maybe they have that carte blanche
| power. Isn't a good public library system (where the work
| is also accessible) a good enough counterweight to that
| power?
| lrvick wrote:
| An original streaming-only movie or tv show will never be
| on a DVD at a library. I would say it is almost an
| -service- to society to continue to torrent content that
| has been edited or purged by major platforms.
| rolenthedeep wrote:
| Our public libraries are underfunded and used as a punching
| bag by conservatives. Libraries have very limited shelf space
| and must constantly prune items from the collection. If a
| movie isn't checked out for a few months, it gets sold for
| like 50 cents and replaced with whatever is currently in
| demand.
|
| Most public libraries don't have the resources to _archive_
| materials. That 's mostly down to academic and specialist
| libraries, and the library of congress.
| Kon-Peki wrote:
| That's sad, where do you live?
|
| I'm in Illinois; under state law libraries exist as
| independent taxing bodies - the only way to underfund or
| otherwise interfere with them is at the ballot box, and it
| would take years of concerted effort by at least 60% of the
| local population (indicating that this is _really_ what
| they want).
|
| I have some family in Indiana; their libraries are funded
| and controlled at the county level to maximize what they
| can do cost-wise and to ensure that rural farmers also have
| access to all the resources. That structure also makes it
| much harder for goofballs to interfere.
| convolvatron wrote:
| does LOC archive content that was never put on a physical
| format?
| rolenthedeep wrote:
| Yes. I don't know a whole lot about their system, but I
| do know they tried to keep an archive of all public
| Twitter posts for a long time
| chimeracoder wrote:
| > I do know they tried to keep an archive of all public
| Twitter posts for a long time
|
| That was the result of a specific deal Twitter made early
| on (itself a marketing stunt, of sorts). It doesn't mean
| the Library of Congress is generally in the business of
| archiving DRM-ed media on streaming services.
| yucky wrote:
| The US has _by far_ the largest public library system in
| the world, and it 's not close. So by what metric would you
| consider it underfunded?
| divided wrote:
| Comparing size without considering population will only
| lead to bad conclusions. Could you imagine someone
| claiming cancer deaths in Germany aren't a problem
| because it doesn't have near as many deaths as the US,
| it's not even close? Sounds silly, right?
|
| The US is reportedly 62nd in the world in libraries per
| capita. [1] Given the US has more wealth per capita than
| most of the world as well, I think claiming we underfund
| our public library system is fairly obvious.
|
| [1] https://onlinegrad.syracuse.edu/blog/best-countries-
| book-lov...
| cnelsenmilt wrote:
| What measure are you using for "largest"? The US is 3rd
| in the world by population and 1st by GDP, so in
| _absolute_ terms it 's to be expected that they would be
| "large" in many categories, simply by having more people
| and money. (And then there's geographical extent.) The
| relative (per capita, perhaps) measure is more salient.
| mynameisnull wrote:
| If you mean the library of Congress sure. If you mean the
| most libraries not based on a quick google
| (https://www.quora.com/Which-country-in-the-world-has-
| the-mos...). But I guess it depends on what you mean. I
| am genuinely curious as there are several ways of looking
| at this.
|
| Also, the person above could have been talking about
| compared to days past. I can tell you the libraries I had
| access to when and where I grew are less funded (many
| closed), but again depends on where and what you're
| comparing against.
| [deleted]
| mgarfias wrote:
| What George Lucas did to Star Wars over the years is all the
| lesson I need about Orwellian changes to the past being
| possible (and likely)
| cb504 wrote:
| "Han Solo shot first." ... Sorry, I had to do it.
| dehrmann wrote:
| Maybe he'll make the pronunciation of "Han" consistent
| someday.
| RajT88 wrote:
| A related, but different phenomena: Streaming episodes have
| been edited to inject product placement.
|
| I read an article a while back about how old Friends episodes
| have movie posters in the background of films which were
| released after 2010.
| deadbunny wrote:
| [citation needed]
|
| Can't find any evidence of this at all.
| RajT88 wrote:
| It was probably 10ish years ago I read about it. Most
| likely on BoingBoing.
|
| Will see if I can find it. Indeed it is not easily dug up.
|
| There are many ads about the coming trend of "Virtual
| Product Placement" but none that I can find which
| acknowledge the early attempts at it which I read about way
| back.
| bentley wrote:
| Maybe you were thinking of _How I Met Your Mother_?
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/iiay9/digitally_in
| ser...
| RajT88 wrote:
| Nailed it. That was it 100%. Thank you!
| RajT88 wrote:
| Not the article I was looking for, but this talks about a
| company doing this exact thing as a service for media
| companies:
|
| https://www.outsourcemarketing.com/blog/help-product-
| placeme...
| bentley wrote:
| There was a case of it just recently--the Amazon Jack
| Reacher series was released in February (around tax time)
| and had a TurboTax ad edited onto the side of a building
| when viewed in America.
|
| https://gizmodo.com/digital-ads-streaming-netflix-amazon-
| nbc...
| czx4f4bd wrote:
| I would be interested to see that article. I tried googling
| for it but could only find some articles about censorship on
| Chinese streaming sites and Netflix missing some scenes from
| the DVD release due to issues with the master copies.
| ksec wrote:
| > Y: X was right.
|
| Why are we always in the cycle where X is the contrarian and
| minority but was pushed aside while Y enjoy all the frames and
| glories but is fundamentally wrong.
|
| I am putting X and Y here simply because this observation hold
| true not just in tech, in streaming but everywhere else.
|
| It is not like they were not warned.
|
| Back to the subject. We really something better than BluRay.
| Smaller but also much higher in storage capacity, and when stored
| properly that could last a hundred year. While being cheap to
| produce.
| suprfnk wrote:
| Because 1. most ideas start as fringe hypotheses, and 2.
| survivorship bias.
|
| People will have 1001 ideas and hypotheses, ranging from "hey,
| smoking might be unhealthy" to "the government is controlling
| us with 5g" and "aliens walk among us".
|
| For the ones that make it through, like smoking, people can say
| "see, I told you so, we warned you". The other 999, you will,
| mostly, never hear from again.
| snapplebobapple wrote:
| Her husband ian't right about dvds, the government is wrong about
| how they are regulating streaming services. The government needs
| to enforce reasonable content licencing across all the services
| like they did with music and radio stations decades ago so all
| content is on all services and the services start competing on
| vectors that actually matter to consumers like interface design
| and fast content delivery networks.
| Terretta wrote:
| It's crazy that you can go to a grocery store as distribution
| aggregator and buy any type and brand of food in one place.
|
| You should have to go to a Kellog's store or a Quaker store
| depending what you want to eat next week.
|
| At least, that's what studios and labels think.
| layer8 wrote:
| If food was infinitely replicable at basically no cost, you'd
| only be allowed to eat your cereals at the respective store.
| undersuit wrote:
| Like a restaurant almost.
| harvey9 wrote:
| There have been disputes between food brands and UK
| supermarkets recently that resulted in specific products
| being unavailable in specific supermarkets.
| phpisthebest wrote:
| Retail exclusives including in grocery do exist. They are
| rare and limited to "high end" brands that are normally low
| volume, but there are things that I can buy at a Kroger that
| Walmart does not sell, and things I can buy at a Walmart that
| Kroger does not sell.
| dageshi wrote:
| Radio and streaming isn't equivalent though, streaming is the
| end product, radio was basically advertising for the music.
|
| We live in pretty much the golden age of content where more is
| produced than ever before and more is being spent on it than
| ever before I cannot see how what you're proposing doesn't end
| up with a decline in both of those things because there would
| no longer be competition in content.
| andrewflnr wrote:
| That would only make her husband wrong if it was reasonable to
| plan on the government being right (even eventually) about
| streaming. It's not.
| deergomoo wrote:
| Availability and ownership aside, Blu-ray is far better quality
| than what you'll get on most streaming services. If I really care
| about a movie or show, I always get it on Blu-ray.
|
| That said, if they could shift 1080 BDs down to DVD pricing and
| UHD BD down to what BD costs now I would buy a lot more. I'm
| starting to build up a collection of UHD Blu-rays but Jesus,
| PS20-30 per movie really adds up. Definitely paying the
| enthusiast tax there.
| expensive_news wrote:
| I started buying UHDs (mostly Criterions) recently. I mostly
| don't like owning too many things (and even buy most of my 4Ks
| on iTunes when they go on sale for $5) but for some films the
| extra quality is worth it (plus you can't get the Criterions
| films in 4K anywhere else, and I like having the access to the
| features).
|
| I always am wondering if I'll regret it in 10 years when you
| may be able to stream super high bitrates, but as always, the
| future is uncertain anyways.
| chungy wrote:
| 1080p Blu-rays are very often single-digit dollars, at least
| here in the US. UHD does come with a higher price point,
| especially for new releases; it goes down, but it can take many
| months for it to do so.
| [deleted]
| hbarka wrote:
| Our legal department has stores of blank DVDs. It turns out that
| some legal artifacts must be stored in a permanent medium.
| cogman10 wrote:
| Yikes, Writable DVDs/CDs are not permanent, far from it! The
| dyes in writable DVDs degrades over time. If your storage
| requirements are more than a couple of years you might have
| already experienced some pretty major data losses.
| jjav wrote:
| > Yikes, Writable DVDs/CDs are not permanent, far from it!
| The dyes in writable DVDs degrades over time.
|
| They do degrade, but a "couple of years" is pessimistic. My
| earliest CD-Rs are from 1994 and they're still good.
| cogman10 wrote:
| CD-Rs will last longer than DVDs because the pits being
| written are larger. Further, audio can experience more
| degradation without perceptible impact.
|
| I've had DVD-Rs fail in 2 years.
|
| The type of DVD matters, of course. Here's a handy guide:
|
| https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-
| institute/services/con...
| drewcoo wrote:
| Does is bother anyone else that a column named "future tense" has
| story titles, none of which seem to be in the future tense? Talk
| about bait and switch . . .
| galleywest200 wrote:
| I have been buying DVDs at the thrift store and ripping them to
| my personal Plex server. I do not feel bad, I paid for the media
| and I am the only person with access to this server -- its pretty
| much the same as me watching that DVD alone.
| stackedinserter wrote:
| > But I also wish that streamers would create Blu-rays of their
| original content. I should be able to purchase the complete
| Bojack Horseman on Blu-ray to hold on to it forever--what if
| something happens to Netflix?
|
| Like you or not, MKV files on your own hard drive and piracy in
| general is the answer.
| mihaaly wrote:
| Same with music streaming. I went back to my offline collection
| just recently, keeping one service for the occasional discovery
| of something new or to me unknown. Too many favourites
| disappeared, or just reuploaded corrupting my playlist. Too much
| garbage flow at us (mostly means the video streaming where they
| decide for you what to list in the prime space of the interface,
| what you want is unimportant) to be comfortable. The quality of
| the players are decreasing due to bugs and eroding user
| friendliness. It is not fun anymore.
| asfarley wrote:
| In the genre of "Stallman was right"
| sergiotapia wrote:
| It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was butchered on streaming
| platforms, so I agree with you OP! Taiwan Tammy? GONE! Martina
| Martinez? GONE! Santa asking: "Is he retarded?" when Charlie just
| stares at him frozen in rage? GONE! Lots of funny moments missed
| by new fans unfortunately.
|
| Related: Why have hard drive sizes stagnated? It feels like 8TB
| has been the golden standard going on 8 years now.
|
| I'm very close to doing the following: Putting 6 drives in a
| portable RAID device, and ripping my movies to 720p x265 for
| storage. I can store a near limitless amount of movies and TV
| shows this way, and honestly I don't notice 720p. At least not
| enough to trade a 1GB movie for a 45GB 4k Remux. And I own a
| latest brand new 65 inch LG OLED and Sony OLED.
|
| Added benefit is that its trivial to stream this anywhere at home
| or remotely. The files are so small that even scanning around the
| movie is instant.
|
| The only thing holding me back is 8TB hard drives. So I wait
| patiently and continue to pay for a plexserver some guy manages
| for me.
| at_a_remove wrote:
| Here's the real question: why have backup disc sizes stagnated?
| We went from CD to slightly larger CDs, to DVDs, then double-
| layer DVDs, but BD-Rs haven't really taken off and we _ought_
| to be at something much, much larger by now.
| andrewmackrodt wrote:
| I'm not sure of prices in your region, but I see 20TB drives
| priced competitively to 8TB drives in terms of price/terabyte.
| I've been thinking of building a new media array to replace my
| existing 8TB drives and similar storage capacity would cost me
| less now than 3 years ago, for arguably better drives too. I've
| been thinking of using the Seagate Exos X18 (18TB drives) but
| haven't made the purchase yet to form an opinion.
| mumblemumble wrote:
| I have a hard time agreeing.
|
| We live in a world of media superabundance, and life only goes on
| for so long. I can't possibly consume even a tiny fraction of
| what's out there in my time on this world. I find that to be an
| incredible relief: I will _always_ be able to find something
| interesting to read, watch, or listen to, regardless of whether I
| choose to fill my living space with shelves full of media. It 's
| just not something I need to worry about.
|
| If anything, I find I have the opposite problem: too many options
| makes it hard to decide. A year or two ago I got rid of almost
| all my books, including many dearly loved favorites. My personal
| library would now fit in a laundry basket. (Still too many, but I
| have a sizable backlog of books I haven't read yet and that would
| be difficult or expensive to replace.) And the most notable
| consequence is that I now spend more time actually reading, and
| less time trying to decide what to read.
| fijiaarone wrote:
| Still need a VHS to watch Star Wars
| hprotagonist wrote:
| laserdisc will do.
| dylan604 wrote:
| why would anyone choose VHS over laserdisc I'll never
| understand
| Apreche wrote:
| Looks like someone never heard of Harmy's Despecialized.
| 986aignan wrote:
| Or 4K77: https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/
| 56friends wrote:
| I didn't realize how many small changes were added to the
| BluRay version. The worst part for me is the re-
| colorization into cooler tones to make it look more modern.
| 4K77 version looks more goofy - just like I remember it
| from my childhood!
| haunter wrote:
| 2006 Limited Edition DVD [0], it has the original theatrical
| versions on bonus discs (Yes, Han shot first).
|
| 0, https://savestarwars.com/images/goutboxes.jpg
| chungy wrote:
| Which are transferred from the 1993 LaserDisc release, aside
| from the text crawl of A New Hope. The 1993 LD did use the
| subtitle "Episode IV: A New Hope", the 2006 DVDs took it from
| the original film again, but the rest of the movie is a
| LaserDisc transfer.
| haunter wrote:
| Yeah I have the DVDs here right next to me. What I always
| disliked though is the butchered format, they letterboxed
| the 2.39:1 original into a non-anamorphic 4:3 frame. Wasted
| quality and you have to auto-crop by your video player.
| Maybe one day we will get a proper digital scan from the
| original cinema reel.
| chad_strategic wrote:
| I have a completely different perspective.
|
| I rarely watch anything twice.
|
| I have also found there are many things to occupy my time other
| than watching things I have already seen.
| nvr219 wrote:
| This goes back to the classic backup calculation. Never spend
| more to protect the data than the data is worth, right? That
| means the husband will be right or wrong on a user by user basis.
| If you have room to keep binders and binders of DVDs in your
| house, you need to calculate - is that space worth it for the
| data on there? Me, personally, once I've seen a movie or a TV
| show I rarely watch it again. There are a few that I do repeat
| watch, enough that I have a backup of those movies or shows even
| though I can get it on my streaming subscription today. But I'm
| not keeping binders or DVDs because that data is not important
| enough for me to back up.
| jzellis wrote:
| If only there were some way to download anything you wanted even
| if it was never released on DVD or Blu-ray and isn't on streaming
| anymore....
| dylan604 wrote:
| So if it was never released on DVD or Blu-ray, then where did
| the source for the torrents come from? If I saw a file with the
| name of something I knew wasn't available on a shiny round
| disc, I would be very skeptical and hesitant to download it
| from fear of it not being what it said it was.
|
| I damn sure don't want to go to the hassle of downloading a VHS
| transfer
| fabianhjr wrote:
| For example Final Space got cancelled and while the last
| season was available on streaming services the physical copy
| hadn't been released and was also cancelled. (So it is a
| webrip, got pulled from streaming services)
| [deleted]
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| > _downloading a VHS transfer_
|
| you kids with your universal formats; we used to have to make
| camera copies to watch PAL shows on NTSC...
| ghusto wrote:
| You remember when pirate copies were literally some guy
| with a camcorder in a cinema? Sometimes you'd get unlucky
| and the guy had to turn it off because the usher was
| coming, and you'd miss a random chunk of the film :)
|
| "Good" times.
| deadbunny wrote:
| > So if it was never released on DVD or Blu-ray, then where
| did the source for the torrents come from?
|
| If it's something old without a DVD/BluRay release these will
| usually be a WEBRip (literally a screen recording of DRM'd
| content) or a WEB-DL (someone has cracked the DRM, or it was
| DRM free).
|
| You'll only find VHS rips on highly specialized trackers
| (usually).
| myself248 wrote:
| If a VHS transfer is the only way to re-experience something
| that blew me away as kid, you bet I'll be happier with a VHS
| transfer than with nothing at all.
|
| Not everything needs to be pixel-perfect.
| causality0 wrote:
| What's really nice are the heroes who take those VHS
| transfers and SD DVD copies and release AI-upscaled
| versions. Particularly cartoons that never had blu-ray
| releases look glorious upscaled.
| harvey9 wrote:
| If you're alluding to torrents, it's common that obscure stuff
| is not being seeded.
| zirgs wrote:
| What's the point of seeding content on public trackers?
| dns_snek wrote:
| Private trackers and usenet generally don't suffer from this
| issue but it requires a few hours of work upfront, less if
| you know someone who can help you.
| CoastalCoder wrote:
| I think public discussion has moved beyond making people aware
| of illegal copying / streaming, and how to do it. So the people
| who don't engage in that probably have their reasons.
|
| If you're trying to move some readers to start doing that,
| you'll probably need to engage with their reasons.
| tpmx wrote:
| People tend to shit on Spotify (while still using it), but they
| did manage something that we all want: Access to (almost
| everything), for a nominal monthly fee.
|
| We need the same, but for movies and tv shows. Globally. It's an
| economical problem that currently has a suboptimal solution.
| 56friends wrote:
| I think the era of Spotify dominance and music availability is
| coming to an end. Not sure what the next stage is going to look
| like - but I personally just canceled my subscription after
| over a decade of using Spotify exclusively. There is a lot of
| music that has never been available on Spotify, plus some music
| is disappearing due to artists and labels realizing they are
| not making any money from Spotify streaming. Plus no lossless,
| plus the relentless upsell of podcasts and now audio books.
|
| I would be fine subscribing to a specialized streaming music
| service, or two.
| tpmx wrote:
| I'm super happy with my Spotify subscription. Sure, maybe 5%
| of the things I want are missing, but 95% is pretty good.
| 56friends wrote:
| I left for 2 reasons:
|
| 1. Their recommendations became unbearable. I love
| discovering music but Spotify is not the right service for
| that anymore. Daily playlists are just several of my
| favorite artists shuffled. Genre playlists are just several
| of my favorite artists shuffled. Track radio is just
| several of my favorite artists shuffled. "Best of techno"
| playlist? Floating Points and Four Tet - both artists I
| listen to a lot, but they are not techno, and are not "best
| techno" - a genre that spans decades.
|
| I don't know if they overfitted their models and at this
| point I don't care.
|
| 2. I am fed up with the podcast and audio book push. Not
| interested in either, don't want to see it anywhere.
| tpmx wrote:
| So you didn't primarily leave for the lack of catalog
| coverage. Ok.
| 56friends wrote:
| I never said I did. Spotify doesn't have some of my
| favorite music but I have it in either lossless format or
| on vinyl.
| [deleted]
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| >We need the same, but for movies and tv shows.
|
| And audiobooks! Audible is stupid.
| tpmx wrote:
| How is it stupid? I haven't paid attention, but I thought
| audiobooks were now on a Spotify-like system?
| pilotneko wrote:
| There is a ton of stuff not on Spotify. It might align well
| with your tastes, but they are subject to licensing issues. I'm
| not even talking about live versions or sessions, but bog-
| standard albums.
| zirgs wrote:
| But if they are not on spotify then where are they? I don't
| know anyone who buys CDs these days and torrent sites
| definitely don't pay artists anything.
| j45 wrote:
| Similar to music whether steamed or downloads to your device, the
| issues are similar for kindle books that you think you've
| purchased and owned at anytime but that can also disappear at any
| time.
| ubermonkey wrote:
| I'm a very happy Apple Music subscriber, but I'm also 52 and so
| own thousands of CDs and hundreds of LPs.
|
| I subscribed to AM for a possibly non-intuitive reason: for me,
| the "all you can eat" aspect is secondary. The driver was "stop
| syncing my phone." My library is too large to carry on my main
| computer, so the "music computer" had to be the one running
| iTunes and whatnot. Getting something new on there was a hassle,
| and couldn't be done on the move.
|
| Moreover, while this scenario made sense to ME, my wife found it
| so off-putting that I discovered she was just not listening to
| music on her phone at all.
|
| AM solved this problem pretty well. PLUS, AM has a feature where
| it will give you access via Apple Music to weird, indie, or out
| of print stuff in your library that might not exist in Apple
| Music's library.
|
| A case in point is the 1990 Wendy & Lisa record Eroica. It's one
| of my favorites, and has always been part of my library -- it's
| even been re-ripped, because the first time I digitized it I only
| used 128Kbps MP3, and I wanted it at 256Kbps AAC. But it's also
| 100% not available via any streaming service because of rights
| issues of some kind.
|
| YOU can't get it from Apple Music, but _I_ can because Apple
| Music sees it in the library on my music server. That 's pretty
| cool.
| npteljes wrote:
| YouTube Music also has this adding your own files feature.
| 56friends wrote:
| Interesting. Do you know if this extends to basically all
| digitized music regardless of the specifics of artist/label
| streaming preferences? Eg King Crimson's catalog was never
| added to Spotify, if I link my ripped CDs to AM, would it make
| it available for me to stream on my phone?
| ubermonkey wrote:
| Yes. Indie stuff given to me on CD-R and ripped to my iTunes
| library is available to me via Apple Music, which I think
| would be the acid test.
| jonathantf2 wrote:
| I believe, yes. I have various live versions of albums that
| have been ripped from streams and radio, Apple tries to match
| them to their library to save space and then just lets you
| wifi sync them. Shows up right next to the other music in
| your library.
| mrkstu wrote:
| The feature is called iTunes Match- you can actually get it
| standalone from Apple Music (at least you could, not sure if
| they have changed anything recently,) but AM includes it:
|
| Links:
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146 https://discussions.
| apple.com/thread/253762018#:~:text=Yes%2....
| ericyd wrote:
| I don't relate to the author's sentiments at all. If something
| isn't available for streaming, then that's my cue to watch
| something different
| plusminusplus wrote:
| My understanding was there's a risk of disc degradation, is this
| a concern?
|
| How do you "back up" a CD/DVD?
| derwiki wrote:
| Rip it to a hard drive or S3 bucket. Hard drive bonus is you
| can use Plex or Jellyfin to stream.
| dsr_ wrote:
| For a CD, you need a program that uses libcdparanoia. Luckily,
| there are many.
|
| DVDs contain a proper filesystem, so you can just mount and
| copy that.
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| Handbrake makes it easy.
| toast0 wrote:
| DVDs are easy to backup. Lots of software out there, and
| there's nothing low level to worry about. Audio CDs also have
| lots of software out there, but you have to be a bit more picky
| if you're concerned about getting a bit for bit copy rather
| than just a sounds the same copy. If your discs have hidden
| tracks and all that kind of weird stuff, care is needed.
|
| Once you have things onto your filesystem, the usual rules of
| backups apply.
| dylan604 wrote:
| >the usual rules of backups apply.
|
| which would include keeping the original disc ripped to make
| this new copy that needs backing up. more than one copy. more
| than one format. more than one location.
| haunter wrote:
| For Audio CDs you want to rip it lossless with something that
| support AccurateRip so you can be sure that others made the
| same copy byte-to-byte. Fortunately there are several options
| https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=AccurateRip#Soft...
|
| For DVDs you can use the infamous DVD Decrypter to make ISO
| files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Decrypter
|
| or MakeMKV which straight copies the MPEG2 files (.vob) into a
| nice MKV container https://www.makemkv.com/
| dkarter wrote:
| You can have both hard copies and streaming by ripping your DVDs
| and putting them on a NAS with Jellyfin.
| https://youtu.be/RZ8ijmy3qPo
| distantsounds wrote:
| no, you were both wrong. rip the discs to an external drive and
| play it over your local network. or even better, over the
| internet with plex/emby/jellyfin.
|
| how are these articles getting up voted? what boomers are reading
| HN on a Saturday and going 'yeah I miss my DVD collection'?
| BaseballPhysics wrote:
| And this is why I've rebuilt my digital music, tv, and movie
| collections. For the media I care about, I want to own it, not
| license it, thank you very much.
|
| When streaming first came out I ended this practice. Then, the
| licensing disputes started and content started moving or
| disappearing. That's a trust they won't earn back.
| cogman10 wrote:
| I recently went through this. Every TV channel having a
| streaming service is just nuts.
|
| Particularly flagrant is the likes of Disney, who owns Hulu,
| Disney+, ESPN+ and will happily sell subscriptions to all 3 +
| addons throughout.
|
| Also abhorrent is the fact that these slimy companies are
| constantly moving content around the services, trying to get
| you subscribe to everything under the sun just to follow a
| favorite TV show. "Oh, it's on amazon, now netflix, now hulu,
| now disney+, now paramount+, now peacock, now britbox, now
| acorn"
| [deleted]
| nixpulvis wrote:
| Music too! Oh god my music...
| pkdpic wrote:
| I completely agree but one unfortunate reality I've noticed as a
| still-active dvd collector / aficionado is where the heck to buy
| them.
|
| $4+ on ebay for an 80% chance low-res bootleg stopped working for
| me 3ish years ago and I still haven't found a preferable method
| without resorting to full on pirating which feels like a little
| too time-consuming of a hobby for more mainstream titles at
| least.
| midasuni wrote:
| We're watching Harry Potter with the kids, probably haven't
| watched the blu rays since they were born (now 10)
|
| Popped in deathly hallows part 2 this very evening a few minutes
| before everyone was ready. Couple of kites later I turn on the tv
| and it's playing some advert for some rom com or some sort
|
| It reminded me why I stopped buying dvds. They aren't happy with
| selling me a product for a cost, they have to double dip by
| advertising stuff.
|
| Eventually I'm sure streaming will go that way, and once again
| The High Seas will be the only way to get the product. If there
| one thing the entertainment industry can be counted on it's
| killing the goose.
| amelius wrote:
| In the old days it was legal to record shows on your VCR.
|
| What happened to the laws around that?
| theandrewbailey wrote:
| The laws didn't change, but what happened is almost everybody
| threw out their VCRs. Or never had them.
| amelius wrote:
| Surely the laws are more general than VCRs? Or should I add a
| tape drive to my computer to make it legally a VCR?
| jsz0 wrote:
| Alternatively consider reducing your addiction to
| television/movies and stop worrying about where your next fix is
| coming from. In the golden era of piracy I used to be a huge
| media pack rat spending hours a day obtaining more media to stash
| away. One day my ZFS array puked and I lost almost everything. I
| wasn't even upset. It was a blessing in disguise to be liberated
| from caring about hoarding media. Never seeing your favorite
| television/movies again is going to have almost zero impact on
| your life. It's not worth wasting much of your time and money on.
| Sakos wrote:
| I have terabytes of movies and series. I've spent like 1 hour
| in the past 12 months adding some stuff to my collection. HDD
| space is extremely cheap and keeping a local copy is such low
| effort that I don't see why I should get rid of my collection.
| Some of it is also so rare as to be impossible to find unless
| you're a member of some private sharing sites (try finding a
| complete archive of Jon Stewart on The Daily Show).
|
| I've also lost terabytes of shows/movies before and wasn't
| affected by it at all. Shit happens. But I prefer having high
| quality copies immediately available. I've had a complete rip
| of the animated show "Hey, Arnold!" for like 3 years and only
| just started watching the whole thing now, and I'm thankful to
| my past self for giving me such convenient access to something
| I enjoyed so much as a kid.
| jsz0 wrote:
| If you're able to horde in a healthy way it's no problem. I
| just think for a lot of people it tends to become an
| unhealthy obsession of relying on obtaining media to self
| medicate. Chasing the dragon trying to obtain more and more
| media. Then ultimately facing the disappointment when it
| doesn't provide the dopamine fix or childhood nostalgia
| you're hoping for. I vividly remember the terrible feeling of
| opening up Plex with countless terabytes of data and
| realizing nothing here is going to actually make me feel
| better. Media is a powerful stimulant and I've reached the
| conclusion for myself at least it has to be used in
| moderation.
| abandonliberty wrote:
| Our brains prioritize looking for fixes more than enjoying
| them. It's the same for most collections, or modding Skyrim.
| meindnoch wrote:
| >One day my ZFS array puked
|
| How does that happen? No redundancy?
| jsz0 wrote:
| Totally self inflicted. I was using a beta version of OpenZFS
| on a beta version of OSX. Begging for problems and I finally
| found one. Maybe I was subconsciously looking for an off-ramp
| of the burden of managing my horde of data. All my personal
| data was backed up so I just restored that and let the media
| horde go.
| tracker1 wrote:
| And this is why I have a NAS with a dozen 12tb drives on two raid
| 6 arrays. Most of it is h265 encoded, which is smaller, and the
| blur of h265 doesn't annoy me like the blockiness of h264.
|
| I am only using about 22tb currently, upgraded about two years
| ago.
| [deleted]
| satysin wrote:
| I get the point the author is making but keeping all the DVDs
| also isn't the answer IMHO. At least it wasn't for me, it was
| just annoying to find a place to store it all, to move it when we
| moved country would have cost money for basically nothing of
| value.
|
| I had a purge of pretty much all my physical media a bit over a
| decade ago. I had a little over 1000 DVDs and Blu-rays. Probably
| 200 VHS too. God knows how many CDs and tapes.
|
| Rather than ditch them and say "I will just use streaming to
| watch/listen when I want to" which is _very_ naive IMHO I ripped
| them all to hard disks and archived them to some LTO tapes I had.
| Granted not everyone has access to this kind of equipment but
| these days there are other options anyway. I don 't use LTO
| anymore.
|
| Today I have full access to my entire movie, music, photo, and
| software collection near instantly from my NAS. Some stuff isn't
| online (as in not powered up) as it would just be a waste of
| power but I can switch it on if I ever feel the need to watch
| something I haven't watched in two decades but don't want to
| delete forever :)
|
| I have some redundancy via RAID as well as on site/offline
| duplication should something really go wrong. Plus I have an off
| site backup. It isn't actually as much space as you would think
| even for a pretty huge number of movies as old stuff is pretty
| small. It is only recently with 4K HDR movies that we are looking
| at ~90GB for some movies. Storage isn't very expensive these
| days. When I did a quick comparison a while back I worked out it
| was less for the HDDs than it was to ship them all from one
| country to another let alone the non-quantifiable cost of my time
| packing, moving, unpacking, and physical storage space.
|
| Ideally I would share the cost with others as it is kinda stupid
| for there to be multiple copies of the same movies and TV shows
| for no reason but sadly there isn't a solution for this and with
| the copyright laws and all that it is unlikely there ever will be
| something as reliable as doing it yourself.
| layer8 wrote:
| You can store them in CD wallets like this one:
| https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/388541-REG/Case_Logic...
|
| I have ~1500 DVDs stored that way in less than a meter of shelf
| space.
| satysin wrote:
| That is a good compromise however most people I know that
| collect physical media like to keep the whole package not
| just the disc in a wallet like that. It is a good alternative
| to mine though and a lot cheaper :D
| tzfld wrote:
| This may be space saving, but not a recommended way to store
| discs for long periods.
| layer8 wrote:
| Why? They are stored vertically, same orientation as in a
| DVD case on a bookshelf.
| bentley wrote:
| I recently migrated my disc collection from cases.
| Initially I got binder pages like you linked, but I
| returned them and got paper sleeves instead, because (1)
| paper cases are cheaper and more compact, and (2) when I
| put discs in binders, they rub against the (admittedly
| soft) backing material, whereas when I put them in paper
| sleeves, I naturally hold the sleeve such that the discs
| don't rub the sleeve when being inserted, and that seems
| a bit safer.
|
| I do still use a binder for the papers from the cases.
| jasode wrote:
| _> I still don't actually use our DVDs and Blu-rays all that
| often. But every time I see them lining the shelves, I feel a bit
| of comfort. Because when I do need them, they'll be there._
|
| The importance of that type of redundancy depends on the viewing
| habits of a particular person. In the case of my friend, the _"
| don't actually use our DVDs all that often"_ really was _" never
| re-watched the DVDs she owned"_. She had a DVD collection with
| all the X-Files seasons, James Bond movies, etc.
|
| But she inadvertently learned her _true viewing habits_ when
| Amazon Prime included video streaming for free. She realized she
| always preferred watching _something new_ on Amazon rather than
| play an old X-Files DVD.
|
| But what if Netflix and Amazon Prime Video lets their streaming
| licenses expire for "X-Files" and it's no longer available?
| Wouldn't that make the X-Files DVDs a great backup?!? It would,
| if she actually re-watched the X-Files -- but she never did.
| Owning DVDs was a waste of money for her particular viewing
| preferences (new stuff instead of reruns) and she was happy to
| get rid of the clutter.
| agumonkey wrote:
| I'd be curious in a few years. I don't watch old things anymore
| and keep consuming youtube stuff, but honestly I don't like it
| anymore. It's not the same somehow.
|
| ps: I just bought a dvd from CL
| zirgs wrote:
| This is why I don't have a DVD/BD player and only use streaming
| services. I almost never watch the same movie more than once.
| Gigachad wrote:
| I'll rewatch when it's been long enough that I have mostly
| forgotten what happened. Not at all worth keeping DVDs around
| for that.
| Fnoord wrote:
| Me neither, but there are some exceptions. The original Star
| Wars trilogy, LOTR, Dune, ...
|
| My wife loves Harry Potter.
|
| So we got these ripped. We ditched her DVD collection after
| ripping everything. Legal copies, saving space. Don't even
| think we brought them to some second hand store.
| Existenceblinks wrote:
| Same type. It's urgggg feeling to re-watch a movie. I can say
| that I _never_ , but I don't remember exactly so _almost
| never_ is accurate.
| stanleydrew wrote:
| > But what if Netflix and Amazon Prime Video lets their
| streaming licenses expire for "X-Files" and it's no longer
| available? Wouldn't that make the X-Files DVDs a great
| backup?!? It would, if she actually re-watched the X-Files --
| but she never did.
|
| The problem is that the future is uncertain. It's always
| possible that she _might_ want to rewatch the X-Files at some
| point, even if she never actually does.
| irrational wrote:
| Or, she might recommend that someone else watch them. If they
| are no longer on streaming services, she could loan them her
| DVDs. It is either that or pirate them.
| Terretta wrote:
| > _... the future is uncertain. It 's always possible that
| she might want to ... even if she never actually does._
|
| True, although ...
|
| _" Difficulty discarding possessions is characterized by a
| perceived need to save items and distress associated with
| discarding them. Accumulation of possessions can result in
| living spaces becoming cluttered to the point that their use
| or safety is compromised. Compulsive hoarding is recognized
| by the eleventh revision of the International Classification
| of Diseases (ICD-11) and the Diagnostic and Statistical
| Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition (DSM-5)."_
| mattkrause wrote:
| Don't read _too_ much into the DSM definitions. There's an
| (often explicit) caveat that they apply iff the condition
| distresses the patient or seriously affects their life.
|
| It's healthy to hang onto a few ratty t-shirts because you
| might need them to mow the lawn or because they remind you
| of good times; you can even be a bit bummed when you
| eventually do throw them out. It's compulsive hoarding when
| you do it even though it seriously bothers you or turns
| your place into a death trap.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| There is absolutely no way to have so much that you will
| never want something you don't have.
| 13415 wrote:
| I thought the layers separate and they are not a good long-term
| storage medium. Aren't DVDs supposed to decompose after some
| time? Or is that only true for CDs?
|
| I'd rip them and put them on new hard disks from time to time.
| AFAIK, that's the best long-term storage strategy for most
| people.
| vidarh wrote:
| I rarely get DVDs any more, for much that reason, but I'm just
| finishing up stripping the liners and archiving the last of
| ~1000 DVD's I bought over the years. They now take up one and a
| half shelf in a book case.
|
| In terms of cost, it wasn't a waste of money to me: I spent the
| money to watch them that once. With a few exceptions I never
| bought with the expectation of rewatching in mind. That was a
| nice bonus. And now I have an archival copy, and while there
| are many I haven't rewatched, there are are plenty I have, and
| some I've rewatched many times, and it wasn't always
| predictable ahead of time. There are series I loved a lot I
| never rewatched, and movies I didn't know I'd like that I've
| rewatched half a dozen times.
|
| These days, I don't buy if it's something really mainstream,
| but I still buy if it's a bit more niche and something I
| consider might not always remain available. Quite a lot of the
| DVD's I have are of things that are not available on the
| streaming services I have.
|
| But separate to all of this, even for a lot of the movies
| people might never watch again, don't underestimate the value
| of that feeling of comfort to a lot of people, and the value of
| the physical artefact as a memento.
| edu wrote:
| This is my same conclusion. With books, movies, series and
| music I like to own physically only my personal favorites that
| I know will use many times. But that's less than 10% of my
| media consumption.
| JuettnerDistrib wrote:
| > With books, movies, series and music I like to own
| physically only my personal favorites that I know will use
| many times.
|
| I don't own many DVDs, but when I see them in my bookshelf
| they remind of the story the tell, the context when I watched
| them, and my theories about society, sci-fi, and utopias that
| those movies inspired.
|
| With books it's even more extreme. I get the physical copy
| sometimes more to have a physical representation of an idea
| than to read the book.
| vidarh wrote:
| I have books I've never opened since I read them that is
| just a marker like that. I have one copy I've never opened:
| I read it as an e-book but got the physical copy just to
| complete my set and have it on my shelf.
|
| I also have books I've suddenly taken down to reference 20+
| years after I read it, and where the text was not online,
| so I also like to have physical copies of books where the
| idea mattered because I know that some day I'll want to
| pass that idea on and will need a refresher.
| angelbar wrote:
| Like a... Antilibrary
| danaris wrote:
| And there's even a third option:
|
| Rip the DVDs, keep the digital copies somewhere safe, and
| discard the physical discs.
|
| If you want to ensure that this _remains_ safe, you 'll need to
| both back up and periodically transfer the digital copies to
| new physical storage devices (in my case, I just upgraded from
| the ~4-yr-old 4TB HDD that was holding all my media to a new
| 16TB HDD). This is, however, kind of a necessity in any case;
| _especially_ for burned DVDs, for instance of home movies,
| ripping them and storing the media fully digitally with a plan
| for long-term archival will have _much_ better longevity. Even
| pressed DVDs don 't last forever (especially if they _are_ used
| sometimes--scratches happen!), and burned DVDs can have a
| lifetime of less than 5 years in some cases.
|
| _Data_ , however, if properly treated, can be perfectly saved
| forever. (Well, barring cosmic ray bit-flips, I guess.)
| bluGill wrote:
| I keep the originals in a box. That way if someone finds put
| I can prove i'm morally right even though the law doesn't
| allow it.
| Johnny555 wrote:
| Me too, I have a few big cd wallets (like 12 by 12 by 6
| inches thick) where I put my dvds as I rip them and discard
| the cases. They don't take up much room and prove that I
| own all of the movies I ripped.
|
| I converted them to mid quality mp4s so can keep a copy on
| a 512gb usb flash drive so I can take my movie collection
| anywhere I travel.
| trelane wrote:
| DVDs, sure. Is it possible to back up or store Blu-Ray media
| on hard drives?
| chungy wrote:
| MakeMKV is the easiest option.
| zargon wrote:
| Of course.
| trelane wrote:
| Looks like _maybe_ , depending on several factors: https:
| //help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAn...
| deadbunny wrote:
| Who is trying to store DRM'd content locally? If you're
| ripping your DVDs/BluRays/HDDVDs striping copy protection
| and that's a solved issue. See AnyDVD HD, MakeMKV, etc.
|
| Also note that page is referencing releases of Ubuntu
| from 2008. Maybe take it's information with a pinch of
| salt.
| trelane wrote:
| Do you have better references on how to rip bluray?
| deadbunny wrote:
| For the BluRay drive itself I have a "Pioneer BDR-
| XD07TB"[1]. For great compatibility and can do HD/UHD
| (and DVD obviously).
|
| For a purely Linux way (as you linked to an Ubuntu Page)
| this[2] is a reasonable guide (giving it a quick skim)
| using MakeMKV. This should also work on Windows. (Ignore
| the Haandbrake steps here).
|
| If you're on Windows (or know how to setup a VM with USB
| passthru for the Bluray drive) and don't mind paying for
| a license AnyDVD HD[2] is very good.
|
| Both of the above will strip the DRM and leave you with
| the raw files from the disk (AnyDVDHD also gives the
| option to make an ISO). You can keep there as a 1:1
| backup of the disk or you can further refine.
|
| Without going to a massive rabbit hole and reproducing
| some (unfortunately private) guides verbatim you have 3
| main things you can do from here if you don't want the
| raw source files.
|
| 1. Straight Remuxing: Take the video/audio as is from the
| `m2ts` container and stick it in an MKV, this won't save
| you any real space but makes archiving the film alone
| easier, you'll save some space from extras etc. by
| deleting the raw source files here. Takes about as long
| as a copy operation would. You can do this with ffmpeg on
| the cli in a single command.
|
| 2. Audio transcode remuxing. Take the raw video,
| transcode the audio to something smaller. You use a bunch
| of tools to strip the Audio[4][5], then transcode it
| using eac3to, then remux everything[6]. Realistically
| you've saving maybe a gig here if you're just transcoding
| the main audio track and dumping the rest. Some time
| spend recompressing the audio, then remuxing maybe an
| hour once you know what you're doing. This is usually
| what you'll see as a "Remux" on the high seas.
|
| 3. Compress Audio/Video: This is where you'd use
| something like Handbrake[7] to recompress the video, you
| can use the presets and get a watchable file but not the
| best quality but usually a significant size reduction.
| You can also tweak a lot of knobs here for excellent
| quality with little to no visual fidelity loss (a
| transparent encode) but this will take a lot of time. If
| you're using a preset you're probably looking at roughly
| the film's length encoding (more with slower processors).
| This is usually what you'll see tagged as a "BluRay"
| release on the high seas.
|
| Obviously this is all for backing up your legitimately
| owned media in jurisdictions which allow it.
|
| 1. https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19634
| 2. https://www.howtogeek.com/161498/HOW-TO-BACKUP-YOUR-
| DVD-AND-... 3. https://www.redfox.bz/en/anydvdhd.html 4.
| https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966 5.
| http://haali.net/mkv/ 6. https://mkvtoolnix.download/ 7.
| https://handbrake.fr/
| cogman10 wrote:
| It's possible, but I have concerns with blu-rays.
|
| 1. Bluray drives are becoming increasingly rare. Few people
| are buying them (because many stream) which is slowly
| killing the market.
|
| 2. Blurays tend to be much more finichy with read errors
| (unfortunately). A little dust or a bad pressed disk and
| the entire episode is lost :(
|
| 3. Blurays aren't being produced. Sure, you can get bluray
| movies still, but for tv series it's becoming REALLY rare
| for a bluray to be produced. Funnily, you'll often find
| DVDs for tv series before blurays (even for brand new
| shows).
| bloomingeek wrote:
| Have you noticed yet that playing most blu-rays in a
| regular player requires an internet connection for
| encryption purposes?
| MrVandemar wrote:
| Touch wood, but I have never, ever needed to do this. I
| don't know why. Every time I get something from the video
| library (yes, we still have one) or buy a new movie I'm
| worried it'll complain about no internet and want to
| update ...
|
| ... but it never has.
| cogman10 wrote:
| I don't use a bluray player, I use bluray computer drives
| and rip my media.
| layer8 wrote:
| That's much more work though than just keeping the DVDs in
| the basement.
| kragen wrote:
| only until you move
| layer8 wrote:
| See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34468436 for how
| to avoid that problem.
| danaris wrote:
| It is. It happens to fit my use case better, though--my
| viewing habits are very impulse-oriented, and the place I
| keep the media is my Plex library, so I can just fire up a
| web browser and watch anything I keep in there any time I
| want, from anywhere in the house. (I could probably set it
| up to be able to watch it from other places, too, but I'm
| working from home, so I'm usually there anyway.)
|
| So if I just kept the DVDs, any time I wanted to watch
| something on one, I would have to:
|
| 1) Physically go to where the DVDs are
|
| 2) Locate the specific DVD I'm looking for (can be tricky
| if I'm looking for a specific episode of a show--I might
| not always remember what season it's from, and the Plex
| interface makes it pretty easy to scan through)
|
| 3) Get the DVD out
|
| 4) Go to the living room, where the DVD player is
|
| 5) Take exclusive control of the living room, and also bind
| myself to being there, for the duration of watching it
|
| 6) Put it all back when I'm done
|
| So yes: for simple _storage_ , as long as the DVDs you have
| will last the length of time you want to keep them, and you
| have enough physical space to keep them in comfortably,
| just keeping the DVDs is easier. But for actually using
| them on a regular basis, for places with less available
| space, for people who expect to be moving frequently (or
| just soon), and for collections where the longevity of the
| physical media is in doubt, digitizing is a better way to
| go.
| sebzim4500 wrote:
| Pirate bay is that backup option, at least for me. To use your
| example of the X-Files, you can currently download a 75 GB
| torrent with every season + extras and it will only take a few
| hours.
|
| I think people continue seeding torrents for longer than DVDs
| reliably last.
| pointlessone wrote:
| Someone has to have it on DVD/BD first for it to get on the
| Pirate Bay.
| andrewstuart wrote:
| I've never understood the appeal of downloading pirate
| movies.
|
| Feels dodgy, always a hassle trying to fight your way through
| all the scams and malware and porn and when you get the movie
| it's of questionable quality.
|
| If I buy a DVD then I get perfect quality in a nice case in a
| day or two without having to visit the seedy red light
| district of the Internet only to get dud contraband.
| driverdan wrote:
| Literally none of these things are true.
| swexbe wrote:
| Private trackers solve all of those problems.
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| Or you live outside of USA and there is no store that has X
| files dvds. Also no streaming service offers that here.
| Also due to copyright and region locking, I cannot import
| them from USA.
|
| But somehow if I pirate that, i cause them 'damage'.
|
| Luckily on most sites, pirated videos have keywords in
| filename (720p, 1080p, 4k,... x264, x265,... ) so you can
| see the quality and choose what filetype you want/need.
| rakoo wrote:
| The only reason you see scams, malware and porn is because
| you don't have an adblocker. Install uBlock Origin. It's
| mandatory not just for pirating, but even for normal
| browsing.
|
| It does take a but of time to spot fakes, and you need to
| give the community time to aggregate good content and weed
| out the fakes, but it's definitely not the experience you
| describe. It sounds like you last tried a decade or two
| ago.
| moralestapia wrote:
| >I've never understood the appeal of downloading pirate
| movies.
|
| Oh, that's easy! You want to see <movie>, so you search for
| "<movie> 1080p" (or better) and after a few minutes you
| have it on your PC and can watch it 1,000 of times if you
| want; even when offline (!). It's also free. This is why
| people like pirate movies.
|
| >in a day or two ...
|
| LOL
| LarryMullins wrote:
| > _Feels dodgy, always a hassle trying to fight your way
| through all the scams and malware and porn and when you get
| the movie it 's of questionable quality._
|
| Its actually really easy, it only takes seconds to get the
| right torrent going. I've never accidentally torrented
| anything I didn't intend to.
| denkmoon wrote:
| None of those apply if you put a modicum of effort into it,
| and then you get access to almost all media in human
| history unencumbered by the copyright "people". Without
| having shelves filled with plastic crap.
| [deleted]
| baxtr wrote:
| I have started ordering Kindle books that I really like as
| hardcopies. You never know...
| rektide wrote:
| And now it feels like 2/3rds of media doesnt have a dvd or blu-
| ray release! So awful.
|
| This has been such an ever enmissserating situation. Started as a
| high & mighty &bgood convenience, but we're ending up worse than
| where we started; fragmented & ephemeral.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I remember the middle section of shelves at Blockbuster. I'm
| quite content not having access to a lot of that schlock any
| more. A lot of it didn't deserve to be put on DVD!
|
| I'm reading the "so awful" within the context of this thread
| more of an accusation for someone making the decision to not
| allow content vs I just wish it were on DVD for my convenience.
| It's not all conspiracy theories. Sometimes, it's just
| financial. Some older content was done on such a cheap budget
| and companies that we'll just call fly by night. These types of
| places might not be able to remaster their content for blu-ray
| either because they no longer exist, don't have the funding to
| re-transfer the film to a higher scan, or just physically no
| longer have the materials.
| rcme wrote:
| Lots of comments here about whether or not the author's husband
| is right or wrong. What about the author herself?
|
| > My beloved Beforeigners--a deeply weird and delightful show in
| which suddenly people from the Stone Age, Viking era, and 19th
| century begin appearing around the world--is gone.
|
| You can still watch this on Apple TV. You just need to pay a few
| dollars to rent it. How much is shelf space worth?
| LinuxBender wrote:
| Not just DVD's but also music CD's. Plenty of music from the
| 1960's through early 2000's is no longer online for either
| contractual disputes, or cultural cancellation and other reasons
| I have yet to figure out. I assume some of this transition must
| be the cost issues of producing physical CD's vs. delivering
| online _or renting_ the music online. When it is only available
| as a stream online I call it renting and every day that passes
| there is a risk that some of the music vanishes.
|
| When I moved I compressed my CD collection down from their hard
| cases to soft cases and kept all the inserts in one of the old
| hard-case bags minus the hard case plastic holders and I have no
| regrets.
|
| I assume there may be a similar risk in renting e-Books online
| vs. having a non-DRM copy of it.
| adamm255 wrote:
| Has this with an album recently. Released in 2012, one day it
| was just gone from all streaming services.
| 56friends wrote:
| I know it doesn't replace old recordings, but _moving forward_
| there is a lot of great music on Bandcamp, usually available to
| download in several lossless formats like wav and flac.
| beej71 wrote:
| A friend of mine refuses streaming. He buys CDs in bulk from
| the flea market and rips them to FLAC.
|
| I was just thinking of doing the same for my collection in the
| attic, assuming the CDs have survived a couple thousand
| freeze/thaw cycles. :)
|
| I like the idea of ditching the hard cases for space.
| Johnny555 wrote:
| I went the other way... back in the day, I ripped my ~400 cds
| to MP3's. I still have them on my file server hard drive, but
| am happy paying Spotify $10/month for the convenience of
| having access to pretty much any album I want on any device,
| so I haven't listened to my own MP3s in years.
|
| I thought by now I'd be doing the same thing with movies, but
| obviously that hasn't happened.
| justinlloyd wrote:
| I did the same thing with DVDs, Blurays and CDs. Everything
| got pulled out of the hardcase unless the hardcase was a
| special design or unique in some way. Kept the inserts for
| each media type in a couple of small shoebox sized storage
| boxes, put each disc in to a soft sleeve that I bought in
| bulk for about two cents each, and then put all that into two
| banker's boxes. Reduced from eight or nine banker's boxes to
| nothing at all. The digital contents are stored on my local
| server and I can stream it to any local device or over the
| internet to my laptop or phone.
| ghusto wrote:
| Yup, I do the same, and can recommend it.
|
| You get the benefits of both physical media, and convenience
| of soft storage availability. That music is mine, and can
| never be sold to me again.
|
| In case some might be wondering what the "benefits" of
| physical media are; it's my belief that having to _commit_ to
| listening to a CD (not being able to flick through different
| albums and artists easily on Spotify, as the whim comes) is
| psychologically sound, and the alternative is damaging.
|
| This goes for films too. Those old enough to remember renting
| DVDs -- or even VHS! -- may remember the excitement of
| getting that film back to their place to watch. The whole
| thing was an experience, and whether the film was good or
| bad, you had a good time with whoever you were with, because
| you had an _experience_. More often than not though, you
| enjoyed the film, because you wanted to. You invested, so it
| was worth more to you.
|
| Actually this is more than "my belief", but I can't be
| bothered to find the research.
| cgh wrote:
| My personal best example of this is tape-trading (which
| were mostly CD-Rs, but whatever) underground metal back in
| the '90s. The sheer amount of work it took to find people
| to trade with, burn the music, send it through the mail
| and, best of all, get their package in return made it seem
| so significant. And it was the best way to find out about
| new bands. Even bands that eventually became huge, like
| Metallica after they changed their sound, built their
| initial fanbase via the trading scene.
| tomxor wrote:
| Same here, although I no longer have a CD player which is kinda
| worrying. On my TODO list to convert them all to lossless FLAC
| or something to replace my previously more conservative lossy
| settings from when $/GB was far greater. Bookmarked the article
| posted on HN the other day about doing this in a reliable way.
|
| The other thing about music is it has a far higher re-play
| value than Film/TV... some specific albums I've listened to
| thousands of times, and there is simply no way I would rely on
| some streaming service for that. I'm not sure what the younger
| generations do for their favourites... or maybe it's not like
| that any-more, maybe their music is more ephemeral and
| "trending". Pretty much all of my music with replay value is
| from way before 2000, back to 80s - I'm not even that old.
| legitster wrote:
| Paramount+ was kind of the last straw for me on streaming. A
| streaming platform entirely made from licenses they ripped back
| from existing platforms. And the new shows are trashy and lazily
| written.
|
| I don't need to be on the zeitgeist any more. For all the old
| shows I want to catch up on, DVD box sets cost less than the
| streaming services to watch them on.
| prepend wrote:
| My husband was right about piracy.
| whartung wrote:
| I strongly suggest that if DVDs are important to you, that you
| find some convenient mechanic to rip them.
|
| DVDs are durable, but not immortal. I have several that have
| failed.
|
| I appreciate the ask. Ripping DVDs is just a lot of work, time,
| storage, and fiddling. I don't wish ripping 15 seasons of ER on
| anyone.
|
| But, the truth is, the things break down.
| andrewstuart wrote:
| Every time I want to watch a specific movie I have to search all
| the streaming services I have access to and often its not there.
|
| So these days I just buy the DVD from ebay from a few bucks, it
| arrives in a couple of days. Feels no different to the 1980's
| when I went to the video shop and brought home a VHS.
|
| I've gone back to physical media. Streaming has shot itself in
| the foot.
|
| I've cancelled most of my streaming services cause in Australia
| the free to air streaming services are really great anyway.
|
| I do pay for Britbox for the classic Doctor Who, Blakes Seven and
| other dorky delights.
| LesZedCB wrote:
| Agreed. We have small number of movies and TV shows which is
| growing.
|
| Pro tip: thrift store DVDs and "friends of the library" sales.
|
| I got every season of ST:TNG for about $40 ($1/disk)
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