[HN Gopher] Salesforce, but for Dating
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Salesforce, but for Dating
Author : tontonius
Score : 159 points
Date : 2023-01-18 19:41 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| mmaunder wrote:
| Lol! Imagine a date with someone who's hobby is dating.
| scrumper wrote:
| I laughed when I read this but then I thought more and...
| wouldn't that be fun? Like, if it's their hobby and they're
| good at it, why would the date be bad?
|
| Gardeners like their plants to grow big and healthy.
| Fishkeepers obsess over the health of their tanks. Musicians
| want to play more challenging music with better bandmates for
| bigger audiences on higher profile stages.
|
| So if you were on the receiving end of a date orchestrated by a
| dating hobbyist, it'd be fun, probably unusual, definitely well
| organized. There are worse things to experience while dating.
| And, just maybe, you make a connection and form a relationship.
| But even the base case isn't _bad_ per se.
| tennisflyi wrote:
| Lol No. It'd be min/maxed to fuck and then dump. How naive
| are you.
|
| > dating hobbyist
|
| Also, your use of hobbyist is so close to being on par
| (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hobbyist).
| baron816 wrote:
| > I met her on Polk Street. We've been on a few dates so far. She
| seems nice!
|
| That's probably the extent of what 90% of guys would say about
| any woman they're dating.
| [deleted]
| nick0garvey wrote:
| Dating has a large emotional aspect. Using heavyweight management
| software for this kind of thing is ridiculous. If you need CRM to
| remind yourself of the emotional impact you had on a date, then
| some part of this process has gone horribly wrong.
| that_guy_iain wrote:
| Like you should know by the end of the date if you want another
| one or not.
| t-writescode wrote:
| Honestly, this sounds like the gulf between men's experience
| dating and women's, and neurotypical vs neurodivergent. Some ND
| people like helpers like this; and, women get so many suitors
| that a system to help them may be actually beneficial.
|
| Also, journaling is a powerful tool.
| crtified wrote:
| I'm not sure if a database exists that's robust enough to handle
| the massive, massive quantity of dates that my life entails.
| /extreme sarcasm (or is that a DIVIDE_BY_ZERO error?, haha)
|
| If you need something like this, then it's probably safe to say
| that dating is not your weak point.
|
| But, just as every multi-millionaire probably has an accountant,
| because they have more wealth than they can easily manage, so too
| must the dating conquistadors suffer, I guess.
| PanosJee wrote:
| [flagged]
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| Programmers still trying to figure out dating? Give up already)
| ugh123 wrote:
| Might be a good opportunity here to integrate events, restaurant
| bookings, and other paid "experiences" for some upside.
|
| Does this integrate directly with the dating services/apps
| themselves? Seems like a lot of work to plumb in and keep up-to-
| date the status and latest information on each profile.
|
| Also, if this is a legit service you should be extremely careful
| how you store all this data. Exposing a bunch of dating profile
| data via a security breach will land you into hotter water than
| anything Marc Benioff could throw at you :)
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Would also be a good to manage a date funnel.
|
| Then for dates in the funnel who told you things like "too
| busy", "not ready for dating" etc. you could schedule automated
| messages for things like reminding them to circle back when
| they're ready, checking if they're available to get on a call
| to show them new features you've added (as a person), etc.
| MikeTheGreat wrote:
| I assume this is humor, since a lot of people will use these
| responses to say "No" without having to come out an say it
| (the "Nonconfrontational No", if you will - "I don't want to
| date you" invites a direct conflict, but "too busy" can't
| really be argued with).
|
| So, building on your humor, I'd like to suggest a
| feature/service we can sell to the vict _cough_ other person.
| When they respond with "too busy" they can also set a flag in
| the system indicating whether they'd actually like to _not_
| hear from the person operating the funnel. We get paid, the
| vict^H^H^H^Hdate doesn't get hassled in the future, and the
| person running the dating funnel is none the wiser because
| our software never notifies them again.
|
| I think I'm ready for an MBA now :)
| [deleted]
| thih9 wrote:
| Some email templates could help too.
|
| > Hi (Name), are you getting the best experiences on your
| dates? We've been chatting for a while, and I wanted to share
| some news with you before I update everyone else. I've found
| some new exciting dating spots and you're going to love them!
| (Insert sales pitch) I'd love the chance to chat about my new
| dating spots. Shall we arrange a meeting to talk you through
| possible restaurants, bowling alleys or what movies we can
| watch together? Let's book a call today and get things
| started.
|
| Source: https://www.flowrite.com/blog/sales-pitch-email ,
| slightly modified.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| When I was dating, I kept track of all this manually, in a
| notes app. I wouldn't mind inputting the same data here,
| manually, since this has the added benefit of organizing it for
| me in a way I couldn't do with mere notes.
| seandoe wrote:
| Met her on Polk street did ya.
| kube-system wrote:
| > Too many requests, please try again after an hour
|
| Wow, you even have it running on NA14?
| conductr wrote:
| I clicked the Signup button thinking surely it's a joke and they
| would have some witty page
|
| > Too many requests, please try again after an hour
|
| I'm really out of touch
| usbfingers wrote:
| How do you know that's not a part of the joke?
| conductr wrote:
| Good point, I don't. But sure was a missed opportunity if
| true :)
| insane_dreamer wrote:
| Interesting start, but missing the "powered by AI" element that
| analyses each date and computes compatibility and chances of
| things moving to the next level, suggests next step, auto-
| generates your text/voice script, etc.
|
| (Also, tried to sign up by calling support but got an endlessly
| looping `We are experiencing higher than usual call volumes, one
| of our dating expert associates will be with you "shortly" (but
| remember that your call _is_ important to us)`
| tus666 wrote:
| Sorry I cringed. Hoping this is a joke.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| I'm about 60% sure this is just satire.
| nickthegreek wrote:
| Agreed. Do people actually have a good feeling when they hear
| "Salesforce". I wouldn't want my app associated with it at all.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| What tipped me off is how similar the logos are. What confirmed
| it is the text at the bottom of the home page:
|
| > P.S. Marc Benioff, please don't sue us. Remember that
| imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
| tgv wrote:
| Don't you have a pipeline with girls you're going to cold-call,
| and a dating life manager that breathes down your neck when you
| haven't taken at least 10 girls out this month?
| actually_a_dog wrote:
| I don't date girls. I only date women.
| kbelder wrote:
| Well, if you're actually a male dog, you would mean you
| only date...
| whateveracct wrote:
| hah I love this comment - when I hear mid-30s men calling
| women "girls" I always cringe. Even worse when they
| actually call mid-20s women "girls" since they've never
| dated a women in her 30s..
| grantc wrote:
| Can there be endless meetings about whether your issues are
| top or bottom of funnel?
| red-iron-pine wrote:
| [flagged]
| mike_d wrote:
| Don't forget paid lead generation (SeekingArrangement)
| klyrs wrote:
| > a dating life manager that breathes down your neck when you
| haven't taken at least 10 girls out this month?
|
| I never realized that my dream job would be so people-
| oriented. Drop me a line if you're hiring...
| dannyphantom wrote:
| Neat, this isn't the first time I've seen something like this
| come up so it essentially validates the use-case for them.
|
| I remember seeing a post on Reddit[1] about ~4 years ago made by
| the same person who made this[2] post on HN about a year ago.
|
| [1] Does anyone else use salesforce as PRM (Personal Relationship
| Management) System? https://archive.ph/3mB1U
|
| [2] Show HN: Nat.app, personal CRM that knows who you're losing
| touch with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30836418
| calt wrote:
| The little black book's next iteration. It really is inevitable.
| robofanatic wrote:
| Cool! wonder if it is created by 1 of the 8,000 ex-salesforce.
| godelmachine wrote:
| What would be the tagline?
|
| "Forcible dating"?
|
| You 2, date right now!
| mosselman wrote:
| Is it the 1st of April already?
|
| Is there AI-powered communication as well? The profiles can let
| AI communicate and receive a message when GPT-3 has determined
| that an actual date should occur.
| personjerry wrote:
| Isn't this just a spreadsheet? You could probably build and
| deploy the entire thing in a day in Notion
| layer8 wrote:
| That wouldn't scale though. ;)
| aqme28 wrote:
| I've been very actively dating and single for ages now. This is
| unequivocally a good idea if executed well.
|
| Is there a "notes" section so I can jot down details from dates
| to remember? That part is currently occupying my phone's notes
| app.
| tennisflyi wrote:
| Plethora of dates but can't add an "other" section in the
| contact in the contacts app. Of course.
| dietsprite wrote:
| In before the cease and desist from Salesforce
| prettyStandard wrote:
| I was thinking about something similar, but less cringy. More
| like: hey you haven't messaged your friend in 6 months, maybe you
| should ask them how they are doing. A priority queue but to help
| keep friendships alive.
| throwaway29812 wrote:
| This combined with the only useful feature FB had for years
| (people's birthday).
|
| Integrate a scraping and keyword search for public facing
| social media postings to alert to people in distress, perhaps.
| Or just a general "you should check on X" feature. Not with
| automated messaging, that's too much.
| gwern wrote:
| I've thought about similar problems like rewatching your
| favorite movie, and concluded that treating it as a priority
| queue or trying to watch it every _n_ days is the wrong
| approach; you want to instead be reminded when you've
| _forgotten_ about your friend Alex or what _The Leopard_ is
| about, so you can then ping them & catch up or rewatch that
| movie with a near-fresh mind. (If you ping Alex while you
| remember them, then maybe there's another actually-forgotten
| friend you could've pinged instead who would be more valuable
| to get back in touch with.)
|
| It is, in other words, the exact opposite of 'spaced
| repetition', where you want to review right before forgetting
| to strengthen the memory the most; in this use-case, 'anti-
| spaced repetition', you want to review only after you've
| forgotten it. (https://www.gwern.net/Statistical-notes#program-
| for-non-spac...)
| chuckwalter wrote:
| This is where I'd like to go with FriendApp. Would love if you
| wanted to check out where we are right now with our iPhone app.
| https://www.friendapp.com/
| nextaccountic wrote:
| > hey you haven't messaged your friend in 6 months, maybe you
| should ask them how they are doing. A priority queue but to
| help keep friendships alive.
|
| This is what social media and messaging apps should innovate
| on.
|
| But, without VC money, without ads, without feeds drive by
| algorithms that optimize for engagement. Without dark patterns
| and antifeatures that make our lives worse. Just a non-profit
| that churns out open source code and is supported by monthly
| recurring donations from a % of the userbase.
| ThouYS wrote:
| sounds like henlo to me: https://henlo.app/
| adrianmonk wrote:
| I want one for remembering stuff about people for personal and
| business networking.
|
| For a while, I was going to a weekly event where I'd meet
| people, but I'd never remember their name next time because I'm
| terrible with names.
|
| So I started jotting down notes after it was over. Like, today
| I met person X who is really into this one hobby and just moved
| here from such and such city. And person Y who is looking for a
| new apartment. And Z who came with Y.
|
| Then before going next time, I'd review the list, and if I saw
| X, I knew their name and could ask how they're adjusting after
| their move. Or I could ask Y how the apartment search is going.
|
| At first I thought if people saw this list they might think it
| was a little weird. And maybe, but I'm OK with it since it's a
| way of making an effort. As long as it's genuine and your
| motivations are good, people like that you remembered stuff
| about them. (I'm not doing it to impress people, etc.)
|
| Anyway, I didn't have a good way to organize it. I stuck it all
| in a document, which didn't work great.
| chuckwalter wrote:
| I've been building FriendApp the past year. The core feature
| on iPhone right now is to just group people into lists, and
| preserve messaging integration with whatsapp, text etc.
| Trying to make it super simple. Also has ability to sync for
| recent contacts list. Would love feedback, and thoughts on
| the next features to iterate on.
|
| https://www.friendapp.com/
| npunt wrote:
| Lots of attempts over the years at this personal crm problem
| space but no success to date. I did one on Facebook platform in
| 2008-09 called Socialfly, our tagline was 'be twice the friend
| in half the time'.
|
| Problem is there's a lot of input and upkeep which limits
| appeal, the most important social data sources (text & phone)
| are not accessible via api, its a personal tool that you don't
| necessarily want to tell others you use which limits
| distribution & scale, and even after all that in general it's
| hard to scale personal authenticity.
|
| I think the problem needs to be approached from a different
| angle along the lines of a personal assistant rather that an
| explicit data management tool. And it likely has to come from
| those with access to privileged social data sources like Apple
| or Google or Facebook.
| michaelmior wrote:
| I remember using Socialfly! I wasn't a heavy user, but I
| actually quite liked it and was a bit disappointed when it
| went away.
| jxramos wrote:
| Would accompany count? https://www.accompany.com/ not really
| personal, I believe it's business oriented.
| umeshunni wrote:
| A personal CRM
| rsstack wrote:
| Not 100% what you describe, but functionally the same:
| https://github.com/monicahq/monica
| scrollaway wrote:
| Monica is an excellent "Personal CRM" as people are
| describing. It strives to achieve exactly the goals GP
| describes.
|
| Personally, I would just like to see a contacts app that
| doesn't suck, and actually supports having both "companies"
| AND "people" as contact without treating them exactly the
| same. If I want to call some hotel or something, why does it
| have to be "First name: Holiday Inn" in order to even show up
| correctly...
| count wrote:
| MacOS/iOS Contacts supports this, for what it's worth. You
| can enter a 'Company Name' and leave fname/lname blank, and
| it'll give it a different default icon, as well as show it
| as the company name in lists/sorts.
| zvr wrote:
| The same in Android Contacts and GMail Contacts.
| omarhaneef wrote:
| There have been several iterations of this sort of idea -- a
| personal CRM -- and the main issue I have is they should
| automatically scan my emails, texts and chats to figure out my
| friends and suggest that I reach out.
|
| Also, want it to be 100% local and privacy first.
| lordnacho wrote:
| > Also, want it to be 100% local and privacy first.
|
| But I also want an AI personal assistant to know what to
| write to everyone, what we last did, what would they be
| interested in, and so on.
| vageli wrote:
| Something like monica may interest you to scratch the
| personal CRM itch.
|
| https://github.com/monicahq/monica
| JadoJodo wrote:
| I loved the idea of this until I realized the amount of PII
| I was collecting of friends and family in one place that
| could be hacked.
| DenisM wrote:
| Yeah, I entered exactly one contact before I realized
| this.
|
| There's also the problem of entering unflattering
| details, and subsequently leaking them out.
|
| The search continues.
| derefr wrote:
| > should automatically scan my emails, texts and chats
|
| Great, easy to integrate one service with the APIs of a bunch
| of others!
|
| > Also, want it to be 100% local and privacy first.
|
| ...but in combination? Never going to happen.
|
| Ask yourself: who's signing up for the API keys to enable the
| client-side service to talk to all these services? Is it the
| end-user, or is it this software's developer?
|
| If it's the software's developer, then they're effectively
| leaking all these API keys by embedding them into the
| software itself -- where not just the end users, but anyone
| else could come along and reuse these keys for anything they
| like. The service providers will find this out, and block
| these keys. (No, you can't avoid this by proxying requests to
| some gateway, operated by the service-provider, that holds
| the API keys. Then you lose the "local/private" aspect.)
|
| If it's each end-user, then the aggregate traffic from all
| the instances of this app running at once, will look exactly
| like a bot that's trying to evade API rate-limits using a
| "residential proxy cluster" like https://www.zyte.com/smart-
| proxy-manager/... and so the services will block these keys.
|
| ---
|
| Mind you, in theory, you could do this on the OS level, using
| OS accessibility APIs to effectively "read" the messages off
| the screen. But 1. is there any third-party ISV -- who isn't
| a certified accessibility-software provider -- who you'd
| trust enough to allow their software the ability to
| constantly "read" everything on your screen? That includes
| your passwords, you know! And also, 2., the messages need to
| be _on_ the screen for accessibility software to read them.
| An accessibility-API-driven CRM can 't load your chat history
| unless you also grant it the ability to literally take your
| mouse and scroll through it for you.
|
| Or, alternately, coming at this from the perspective of the
| Operating System vendor themselves, you could do this "in"
| the OS, by forcing emails/text/chat message handling to go
| through system APIs that can see these as special document
| types, and so do things with them. IIRC there was at least
| one pre-iPhone mobile OS that did this (BlackBerry OS,
| maybe?), enabling all of these types of messaging-app traffic
| to be muxed together into a single first-party app that did
| indeed manage all conversations with your contacts in a
| multi-channel way.
| DenisM wrote:
| I recall Google has an API for at least part of the Gmail
| data (tasks) and that API is used on mobile devices.
|
| Look into it, you might be surprised.
| darcys22 wrote:
| I've found just setting a recurring TODO in the calendar to
| "Call XXX" is sufficient.
| applejacks wrote:
| I signed up for https://infrequent.app/ when it was a Show HN
| just to try it out and it actually worked (probably about as
| well as a "non-busy" TODO in my calendar app with an alert).
| Enough to remind me to call 1 or 2 people that I like to talk
| to but often leave for too long, anyway.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| > I was thinking about something similar, but less cringy.
|
| Well, if you are worried about it being cringy, you probably
| shouldn't watch the 2022 Salesforce Dreamforce (their annual
| convention). It's cultish and shows the unbelievably arrogant
| confidence they have in their own importance - along with the
| most inexplicably childish moments for a professional
| conference I've ever seen. (Let's put foam rabbit ears on our
| "co-CEOs" to entertain the "trailblazers" as we gather around a
| fake wooden stage imitating the outdoors with faux trees, won't
| that be funny?)
| i-dont-remember wrote:
| I've seen a couple tools pop up around this idea. Haven't
| explored them much, but:
|
| - MonicaHQ (open-source)
|
| - Dex (free version seems good enough for most people, i'm
| trying this one out rn) getdex.com/
|
| - Custom system in Airtable -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30329475
|
| - Infrequent app - blog post talks more about it, linked in
| comments - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33308084
| meesles wrote:
| There's been a few of these since the topic has come up
| regularly in the last few years -
|
| * https://keepmyfriends.com/ * https://getdex.com/
|
| I haven't used any personally!
| kybernetikos wrote:
| I remember moaning about twitter reducing the number of
| characters people sent, and then yo! came out, and it was down
| to a single bit of data. That made me think 'what would even
| lower information content messages look like in a social
| network, perhaps half a bit or even less?'. I figured that a
| half bit of data would be where a social network sent some sort
| of hello message automatically with the same frequency the
| human user sent one manually, so given a message, it'd be 50/50
| whether it was sent automatically or manually. Although I got
| to it theoretically, in the end, I thought it could be pretty
| useful practically, as a way of sparking conversations again
| when you haven't spoken to someone in a while, etc.
|
| Maybe combined with ChatGPT we could even make those automatic
| getting-back-in-touch messages indistinguishable from the
| manual ones.
| calt wrote:
| > Half a bit of data
|
| I've never heard that idea before and I love it.
| scrumper wrote:
| Half a bit... yeah. I read a good description of a bit (I
| think in The Information by James Gleick) as "a yes or no
| answer to a single unambiguous question. I'm misremembering
| the quote but that's close enough.
|
| So half a bit would be like hearing "Umm..." in response to
| that same question?
| Kinrany wrote:
| Yo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_(app)
|
| To be pedantic, this is not a single bit of data. This is
| zero bits attached to an event. The event is not discrete
| however, so I'm not sure what form of information theory
| would be appropriate to describe it.
| antipotoad wrote:
| Thought-provoking and somehow ingenious, even if something
| about this makes me deeply uncomfortable.
|
| To try to be a little constructive, is a relationship really
| worth anything if a half-bit is all one can spare for it?
| jstarfish wrote:
| The half-bit you actually send means more to the recipient
| than the 160 bytes you don't.
|
| I'm more unsettled by the automation part. At least the
| half-bit received came from someone who consciously thought
| about you enough to send it. Once you emulate that part,
| all you have is a MITM initiating conversations between
| strangers.
| harryvederci wrote:
| Maybe you could also "reduce" the bit in a different way,
| where it would be 50/50 if a message would actually be sent
| upon clicking the submit/reply button.
|
| Like if you'd walk on a noisy street, see someone you know,
| and greet them half-heartedly and wouldn't really mind if
| they didn't hear you.
|
| Oh man, the thrill of not knowing if this message will
| actually be sent when I hit the "reply" button!
| rytis wrote:
| > combined with ChatGPT we could even make those automatic
| getting-back-in-touch messages indistinguishable from the
| manual ones
|
| extending this bit further - we might as well reply with
| chatGPT. then it's chatGPT all the way down, who needs human
| interaction when we tick the boxes of "I called them" and "I
| replied"?.. :)
| MisterPea wrote:
| This is exactly what happened in the show Silicon Valley
| with Dinesh and Gilfoyle's AI
| natpalmer1776 wrote:
| In this situation, neither party need be aware that the
| other party is 'antisocial' in this regard. The way I see
| it, the following situations apply for a tool that produces
| communication indistinguishable from the user's own writing
| (AI)...
|
| "AI" for the following cases would be beneficial:
|
| Social -> Antisocial
|
| Social <- Antisocial
|
| "AI" for the following cases would be net neutral:
|
| Antisocial -> Antisocial
|
| Antisocial <- Antisocial
|
| And finally "AI" would be inapplicable (since neither party
| would use it) in the following cases:
|
| Social -> Social
|
| Social <- Social
|
| In this drastically simplified model, there aren't any
| cases where the existence of a sufficiently competent AI
| would be detrimental to any party involved, while still
| providing value for those who choose to use it.
| xeromal wrote:
| A person on reddit actually made this app and it worked pretty
| well. I can't remember the name of it for the life of me.
| arthurcolle wrote:
| you might be thinking of Monica? I seem to remember that
| coming out of reddit a while back, could be wrong
| emrah wrote:
| Wow, managing one's dating life with a crm app has got to be the
| most distopian thing I've seen in a while.
|
| I probably need to point out that I'm not dissing the app. If it
| succeeds, the creators are obviously filling a need in the
| market, but confirmation of such a need would indicate dating as
| I define it is horribly broken
| InitialLastName wrote:
| > dating as I define it is horribly broken
|
| Socializing as a whole is broken, triggered by the
| disappearance of third places, the dissolution of communities
| at the altar of the nuclear dual-income family, live-at-work
| jobs and "hustle culture" (Veblen entrepreneurship), and the
| unlimited streaming doom-scroll.
|
| With nowhere to go but work and home, good luck finding anyone
| to date or befriend via a nonexistent organic social network.
| emrah wrote:
| Very true!
|
| While what you are saying is very true, dating so many people
| at once, plus having dated so many in the past that you need
| an app to keep track of them all is a whole other level of
| broken
| InitialLastName wrote:
| The issue is that whereas in the past you could use
| "knowing somebody as an acquaintance and/or by association
| with an acquaintance" as the first stage of your "should I
| date somebody" funnel, you now get "here's a list of all
| the people in your who have signed up for a dating service,
| the marketing blurb they wrote about themselves, and some
| broad demographic filters; Have at it" as your initial
| filter.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Also, use stable diffusion to generate possible family life
| outcome images such as your future children around a fireplace.
| sunjester wrote:
| Ridiculous.
| swyx wrote:
| the video demo seems to use "archived" for old dates, but there's
| a missed opportunity here to mark them CLOSED/LOST
| Ultimatt wrote:
| also need STALE and STILL-WARM
| scrumper wrote:
| Smaller market (hopefully), but then it'd serve as CRM for
| serial cannibals.
| SuperNinKenDo wrote:
| Pretty sure this is meant as a joke, but dating has become so
| twisted now that I'm not actually 100% sure. Which makes this
| perfect satire.
| throwaway29812 wrote:
| HBO's Silicon Valley was ok, but didn't go nearly far enough on
| the absurdity.
|
| I promise you this is real.
| [deleted]
| MattGaiser wrote:
| I have had a few people I know go on piles of dates, so I could
| see someone having a use for it if they are rapidly iterating
| through individuals.
| miguelazo wrote:
| "rapidly iterating through individuals" What a dystopian
| nightmare. So glad I missed out on this era of dating.
| MattGaiser wrote:
| In a world of increased diversity and expectations (you
| can't assume the 2.5 kids in the suburbs of your local city
| anymore or that marriage is even a goal) of what a
| relationship looks like, I am not sure of the alternative.
| I am happy that I am happy single though, as it does sound
| exhausting.
| humanistbot wrote:
| Poe's law: any sufficiently advanced parody is
| indistinguishable from sincerity
| austhrow743 wrote:
| Now? I was running a CRM for tinder ten years ago. I assume at
| this point guys are using SDRs to qualify opportunities.
| fabmilo wrote:
| The problem with dating is that we enforce a 1:1 relationship
| while nature encourages 1:N. Am I the only one seeing this? or we
| shouldn't talk about it to not risk getting canceled?
| trekkie1024 wrote:
| This reminds me of the main character in Along Came Polly who
| puts his new girlfriend and ex-wife into a Risk Assessment tool
| to decide who he should stay with :D. Naturally, it doesn't go
| well once the girlfriend discovers it!
| monkeynotes wrote:
| I hate modern life.
| kareemm wrote:
| A good left-brained friend of mine was dating heavily in the late
| 2000s as he was in "wife finding mode".
|
| He had a spreadsheet -- called girls.xls -- where he kept track
| of important details about each woman he went on a date with.
|
| We were sitting around musing about how hard it must be to keep
| track of the key details given all the dates he was going on, and
| he let drop that he had a spreadsheet.
|
| He never showed it to anybody and it didn't sound creepy - it was
| genuinely a tool he used in good faith given the volume of info
| he was trying to keep track of.
|
| And, he ended up marrying #42.
| [deleted]
| wrldos wrote:
| I did this a loooong time ago before there was really internet
| dating. Had a decision analysis tool I wrote in excel 97.
| Married a match in 2002. She was a crazy narcissist and made my
| life misery for 18 years until I divorced her.
|
| Beware the tools you create, for the input corpus isn't
| necessarily valid over time. People change.
| dvt wrote:
| I don't really consider myself left-brained, but I've always
| had a hard time remembering names. Partially because I'm not
| great at empathizing with folks I just meet, and partially
| because I genuinely don't care that much. Around college, I
| discovered this is absolutely not a great trait to have
| (incidentally, also most applicable when meeting women), so I
| started a Names file in my phone. I have hundreds of names in
| there now in the format "First Name - small salient
| description."
|
| People are amazed at how great I am at remembering names and
| details. It's become almost a super-power, it's weird how
| writing things down can completely change how people perceive
| you. It's really cool to scroll through the names and see
| people I met years ago: the cute barista that moved away right
| after COVID, an old neighbor's boyfriend, a coworker's dog (I
| extended the list to also include pets). Brings back good
| memories and often makes me smile.
| Octabrain wrote:
| I do the same but without writing down anything. I just keep
| it in my head. I always joke with how creepy I feel when I
| coincidentally meet someone for the second time after months,
| at a party or something and start to bring up details about
| that person into the conversation we are having. For now,
| everyone has been happy and kinda flattered that a pretty
| much unknown guy is able to remember precise details about
| their lives but I feel like a psycho.
| berelig wrote:
| I kept a note on my phone with details about my girlfriend (now
| wife) that I would otherwise easily forget. Favorite flowers,
| songs, restaurants, etc. As I got to know her family I briefly
| had a few lines for her parents and siblings but now that we're
| married I can just bug her for info instead.
| lr4444lr wrote:
| Of course he did.
| phowat wrote:
| So that's why the answer is 42 !
| phoenixreader wrote:
| Even better, in the original novel, the mice's guess for the
| ultimate question of life, universe, and everything is "how
| many roads must a man walk down?"
| causality0 wrote:
| I was probably 24 years old before I realized dating multiple
| people was even a thing. I figured you talked to and dated a
| person until you either decided you weren't having a good time
| or you married them.
| wrldos wrote:
| Note that it's not universally true around the world. In the
| US, yes. If you do this in the UK, it will result in an
| evening where you end up ordering a taxi and slipping out the
| back door while two women are pulling each other's hair
| extensions out outside a pub and trying to beat the opponent
| with a shoe.
|
| Yes this actually happened to me.
| downvoteme1 wrote:
| Is he still married ?
| breck wrote:
| After the divorce he discovered a bug in his VLOOKUP.
| wrldos wrote:
| Narcissist flag was missing in my original dataset.
| dusted wrote:
| This strikes me as super creepy.. But I could see the use-case
| for stuff like dating-sims where you're kinda supposed to be the
| creep?
| jarek83 wrote:
| SalesForce is business - leaking business data is not that
| problematic. This, is about storing extremely delicate
| information about people. It better has top notch protection
| against data breach massive fines will be coming soon.
| endisneigh wrote:
| is this supposed to be sarcastic? it's exactly the opposite.
| dougdonohoe wrote:
| I'm happily married for nearly 22 years and thankful more than
| ever I don't have to date in today's environment. This sounds
| awful. Like dystopianly awful.
| pmarreck wrote:
| Amused, impressed and terrified, all at once.
| kimoz wrote:
| Will help me in my plate spinning process ;)
| Willish42 wrote:
| Still not entirely certain this isn't just a really impressive
| parody, but for my sanity I am hoping it is.
|
| I think this says a lot about the "attention economy" way all the
| various dating and social apps take up your time to use them, and
| how we've digitized the process so much that people unironically
| see the appeal of a CRM system for managing contacts. Classic
| case of "new tech to solve the problems of all the other tech",
| where the other tech is actually the source of the problem, and
| probably shouldn't be relied on in this way.
| ericmcer wrote:
| I am sure it is not a parody. I have witnessed co-workers
| getting professional photographs and using spreadsheets to
| track dates/matches, all to carefully optimize their dating app
| success.
|
| It reminds me of the early 2000s "pick up artist" stuff, I had
| a few friends who read the books and would actively hit on
| women anytime we went out. It was horrible haha.
|
| As for the maker of this app, if it fills a need and gets
| widely adopted who knows?
| dinkleberg wrote:
| This has got to be a parody, right? I really hope it is!
| [deleted]
| avaldez_ wrote:
| This is the 21st century version of the catalogue aria in Don
| Giovanni https://youtu.be/qgC3GGxF1E0
| ablatt89 wrote:
| Probably useful for straight girls more than guys tbh:
|
| COUNT(ROWS(person.gender == Male and person.orientation ==
| Straight)) == 0
| technick wrote:
| Back in my day we used notes in contact cards!
| Darioros wrote:
| Most people here don't need a software to manahe their 1 date per
| year
| technick wrote:
| Back in my day we used the notes field on contact cards or in
| outlook.
| someweirdperson wrote:
| That "force" in the name implies that it is a tool for a group of
| persons working together on all those dates?
| marcosdumay wrote:
| Sure. That's way better than the alternative.
| verst wrote:
| People have been shamed for using spreadsheets to track their
| dates, this is even worse.
| msie wrote:
| If only I had a need for this!
| random3 wrote:
| Can someone chime in why this hasn't worked in the past?
|
| It seems a personal/portable CRM could be highly useful. The
| second aspect is the vertical aspect (professional or "personal")
|
| One thing I keep hearing from people that have sold companies,
| exited etc. is that they are having a hard time operating within
| their networks without the CRM.
| makeworld wrote:
| No experience, but there is https://github.com/monicahq/monica
| [deleted]
| MattGaiser wrote:
| I think it simply would need a lot of discipline to keep up to
| date and without a manager nagging or bonuses being dependent
| upon updating it, most people lack that discipline.
| dsfyu404ed wrote:
| > Can someone chime in why this hasn't worked in the past?
|
| Because spreadsheets and notes are free and good enough.
|
| I used to be a full time shitty cheap car flipper. I used to be
| single. They're about the same level of communication work. The
| ROI of a proper CRM isn't there because in both cases your
| customer is just not that serious about the interaction when
| they're in the part of the funnel a CRM helps you with and even
| then it doesn't really help you with the bulk of the customers,
| it helps you with the long tail. When you're a one man shop
| squeezing out an extra 1% or whatever a CRM gets you isn't
| worth the time vs focusing on other areas. (These days I work
| in a client facing role with a proper ticketing system and
| integrated CRM so I do have something to compare to.)
| chuckwalter wrote:
| I've been working on FriendApp the past year. I think it hasn't
| worked in the past because the average person doesn't realize
| that they could really benefit from this solution. It hasn't
| necessarily felt like a burning problem. I think it has to add
| some value beyond just classifying and adding additional
| metadata to contacts.
|
| My goal is to develop features that also facilitate sharing of
| activities, upcoming events that I'm attending that I want to
| share with people I know. Things I want to do, and making that
| visible to select groups of people.
|
| Hope you'll check out where we're heading
| https://www.friendapp.com/
| awad wrote:
| CRMs work at scale by selling to executives who are not the end
| users but are in control of budget. They then have their sales
| managers enforce data fidelity amongst the sales team who, to
| keep their jobs, are incentivized to make sure data in the CRM
| are up to date, or whatever the closest approximation to that
| is.
|
| So for a personal CRM to work, you'd need to sort out, at
| minimum, the monetization piece and the data fidelity piece. If
| you open source it, you still need to make sure people keep the
| data up to date and that's actually pretty hard.
| random3 wrote:
| Executives also want to take the rolodex with them, hence
| they have an incentive to keep a personal CRM so that they
| keep their contacts after they leave.
|
| Superhuman sold to executives for $30/month - which is a
| relevant (high) price point.
| nlh wrote:
| Yes. Having been in this space for a bit, there are a few
| reasons why it hasn't worked (yet):
|
| 1. The problem of deduplicating contacts is tough (but
| solvable). If you don't solve it well, then the utility of
| personal CRM goes wayyyyy down and you're getting notifications
| about the same people with different email / WhatsApp /
| Instagram addresses and that gets annoying.
|
| 2. People haven't shown a big willingness to pay very much for
| this (so far), despite everyone saying they want it. So we're
| left with the open source solutions that don't solve the
| problems very well.
|
| 3. People are SUPER concerned about privacy. See a comment
| above about someone who wants the system to automatically scan
| email, etc. and extract contacts, but that it must be 100%
| local and privacy-centric. You can't have both of those - to
| intelligently extract contacts without duplicates (and figure
| out that @mybestie on Instagram == mybestie@gmail.com ==
| my.c.bestie@corporate.com) you need a big database of who's who
| to match against.
|
| Everything is solvable I think - we're not talking cold fusion
| here. But it's tougher than it might seem on the surface.
| rcme wrote:
| One problem I've had adopting such a system is that you want
| the system to help manage some load of work, e.g. maintaining
| your personal relationships. But using the product is itself
| work: you need to set it up, remember to use it, keep it up
| to date, etc. So, just as you've procrastinated keeping up
| with old friends, you procrastinate using the tool. And, of
| course, the tool doesn't reduce the workload of keeping up
| with friends. In fact, done successfully, your work has
| increased as you need to talk to your friends more often. So
| you're basically adding work (using the tool) to do work you
| didn't have the energy for in the first place (talking to
| your friends).
|
| Everyone loves the idea of talking to their friends,
| conceptually. But, given ample time and opportunity, many
| choose not to keep up with friends. It's almost as if people
| only "want to want" to keep up with friends, rather than
| actually want it.
| BeefySwain wrote:
| Could you expand on what options exist currently? You say you
| are in the space, does that mean you have been keeping an eye
| on it, that you are working on something, or ?
| random3 wrote:
| I believe a plugin (e.g. in Obsidian, Notion, Superhuman)
| could work better than Monica. In fact I think Superhuman has
| the bets oppportunity to create this product.
| szundi wrote:
| Only problem with this is you either has nothing to fill in, or
| just when it would start to matter the dates you are forgetting
| about are not really the ones who worth it.
|
| I also like the "probability" field.
| partiallypro wrote:
| Do you have to hire engineers for $500k+ to get it to work, in
| the spirit of Salesforce?
| [deleted]
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| I imagine that would depend largely upon how much data you
| needed to transfer to the new system.
| pkghost wrote:
| The copy in the example entry is telling: "I met her on Polk
| street."
|
| If you don't know SF well, Polk street is one of two frat boy
| rows.
| ZephyrOhm wrote:
| P.S. Marc Benioff, please don't sue us. Remember that imitation
| is the sincerest form of flattery.
| kypro wrote:
| Thing is it has nothing to do with how some exec feel about the
| product.
|
| Corporations don't like stuff like because they don't want to
| deal with clients who don't understand the joke being playing
| with their brand. OP isn't going to be the one who has to do
| damage control when this blows up and some percentage of people
| start to to believe it's actual Salesforce behind this product.
| dpierce9 wrote:
| Concept and parallel aside, you might not want the word 'force'
| in the name of your dating app. Just a thought.
| scrumper wrote:
| Totally agree. Call it "Funnel". Which is gross and puerile on
| one level but not, like, violent.
| [deleted]
| NickC25 wrote:
| Dunno if this was intended as a joke, but I find the whole
| presentation of the site to be hilarious. Well done!
|
| As others have said, if you were able to find if Hinge, Bumble,
| Tinder, Grindr, etc... have open APIs that you could connect to
| your app? Same goes for things like Eventbrite or Meetup.
|
| "I met so-and-so through (dating app) on (date/time) and we hit
| it off well. We then met up again via (event app) and continued
| meeting up regularly, and I was able to keep notes about so-and-
| so on the app - their favorite bars, foods, music, etc... as they
| revealed it to me, and the app was able to provide me with info
| as to when I was last in touch with them, when there's
| availability at their favorite restaurant, a music act at their
| favorite bar, etc..."
|
| I'd love to have an app like that in my life.
| lordfrito wrote:
| As much as I love this idea, part of me read this and thought
| "Great, one more reason for women who aren't interested in me
| to feign even more interest, because big event xyz is coming up
| and it's 'revealed' to them I can afford it so it's 'revealed'
| to me they want to go."
|
| SMH
| gourabmi wrote:
| This needs a way to migrate master data and touch points info
| from a Google Sheet.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Designed to be deleted, just like Salesforce
| [deleted]
| ssalka wrote:
| Add a ChatGPT integration to suggest openers and you've got
| yourself a killer app /s
| jaqalopes wrote:
| A lot of dunking going on in here, and fairly so, if nothing else
| because there is no good business model for an app like this
| unless they build it into dating apps (who's going to manually
| enter data from Tinder into this thing?).
|
| But the dunking seems to overlook the genuine problems with
| modern dating that didn't exist in the past. I find that it's
| very easy to mindlessly swipe a thousand people on an app and
| suddenly end up with more matches than I have the energy and
| attention span to process. If there was an easy way to turn this
| "inbox" (which is really just one step above my Gmail spam
| folder) into an actionable database, that could have real value
| in a world where dating happens stochastically through apps.
|
| Separately, it isn't weird at all to keep some sort of track of
| your dating life. Past generations had the "little black book,"
| basically a romantic rolodex. I've never used one but who's to
| say I couldn't benefit from a digital version that lives in my
| phone?
|
| Most of all, a commenter here that is since deleted said
| something I think is apt: "I think the number one problem with
| online dating is not managing all the people. It's forcing
| yourself to keep the number of active pursuits low enough to
| manage. If you don't kind of commit to seeing if someone is going
| to pan out, then they won't." This is of course the actual
| solution to the problem I experience with modern dating. The only
| downside is that, unlike downloading an app, it requires that I
| change how I think and behave.
| awinter-py wrote:
| different co's approach to the integration problem was via
| 'data grab by keyboard'
|
| https://www.thekeys.ai/product
|
| not sure about bidirectional data flow though -- maybe you can
| do that via accessibility interfaces?
|
| Also possible that OSes will offer standard chat UX in the
| future, making it simpler to hook plugins into conversations --
| ios already does this to some extent with imessage plugins, but
| 'tinder for imessage' is the opposite of 'imessage for tinder'
| so this is most useless bc of lock-in
| ddmma wrote:
| Should target the sex selling market. Business model guaranteed.
| fknorangesite wrote:
| You'll have to repeal FOSTA-SESTA first. And you'll even save
| some lives as a nice side effect.
| Mongoose wrote:
| The conference has to be called Dreamyforce
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