[HN Gopher] The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)
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The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)
Author : asyncscrum
Score : 73 points
Date : 2023-01-14 13:35 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| dclowd9901 wrote:
| This years Dakar has felt so sanitized and corporate, I'm a bit
| sad by the series' progression. And not a single car in the
| lineup. I will say the Audi team's raid car is absolutely one of
| the coolest things I've ever seen, though.
| insane_dreamer wrote:
| Is Dakar Rally relevant anymore? Certainly doesn't seem so
| compared to the Paris-Dakar races I remember from the 70s and
| 80s.
| smm11 wrote:
| It's way, way toned down these days. Like most things, "back in
| the day" was much harder and hobbled by poor tech and whatnot.
| Early Tour de France editions had stages far longer than now,
| on dirt roads, riders carried their own spare parts, and some
| had to weld bikes back together.
| jansan wrote:
| Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B
| with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see
| older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B.
|
| The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would
| have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi
| Quattro and Lancia Delta.
|
| unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents,
| resulted in the end of group b.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B
|
| Here are some scenes from group B that give a feeling how intense
| and dangerous it was.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRtyT9WQzdY
| sandermvanvliet wrote:
| I think the most crazy thing to enter Dakar was the DAF Turbo
| Twin. https://www.carhutt.com/daf-95-turbotwin-x1/
|
| 2400bhp in a truck... See this video of it overtaking one of
| the rally cars to get an idea how truly crazy that machine was:
| https://youtu.be/DDGbtUsTv24
| tomatotomato37 wrote:
| That wasn't one of the rally cars, that was the _lead_ rally
| car, going over 200 km /h over ungraded sand. One of my
| favorite points in motoracing history.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUnWnx_rdps
| dsfyu404ed wrote:
| HP to weight isn't really useful beyond the point where you
| can put it to the ground. Notice how the truck is doing most
| of the gaining and overtaking in the rougher sections where
| it can keep better ground contact than the car.
| z303 wrote:
| I've been a fan of the 959 since seeing the Tamiya version. I'd
| love for them to re-release the kit so I can finally own one
|
| https://youtu.be/jtODx2kGq0E
|
| https://tamiyabase.com/tamiya-models/58059
| grubbs wrote:
| Always enjoyed this documentary on the topic: "Too fast to
| race"
|
| https://youtu.be/imXk8u-reUQ
| marban wrote:
| Bill's 959 Story: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-
| illegal-porsche-sat-...
| capableweb wrote:
| > In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally]
| were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support
| truck for the Honda of Italy bike team.
|
| The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team
| can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or
| even had to retire before reaching the finish line.
|
| What others sports could you even achieve something like that?
| dsfyu404ed wrote:
| >What others sports could you even achieve something like that?
|
| Pretty much every off road race where the organizers choose the
| course so that most of of the finishers podium winds up with
| crazy upsets like that.
| wjnc wrote:
| Long distance running! Sometimes hares get impatient. [1]
|
| [1] https://www.archyde.com/a-hare-wins-a-marathon-and-
| qualifies...
| dmurray wrote:
| Cycling is the obvious example - it's completely reasonable to
| go into a race as a support rider but end up, say, in a
| breakaway group that was successful while the team captain
| stayed with the main peloton.
|
| It's not possible to win a whole tour that way, but if you
| build up a lead over your captain in the first few stages, your
| director might decide to switch tactics and have the team
| support you after that.
| mpol wrote:
| The Vuelta of Spain was supposed to be a win for Bradley
| Wiggins, but his support Chris Froome faired much better.
| After Kobo lost, at the jury table, the win was awarded to
| Froome, then a support cyclist.
| slim wrote:
| Also Mercedes unimog is a beast
| dsfyu404ed wrote:
| <eyes roll loop in head>
|
| It's a road capable tractor (for generous definitions of road
| capable, nobody who actually gushes over them would consider
| them fit for road use) that has an internet following.
|
| If the vehicle type were widely useful outside of very few
| very specific niches it would be prolific and more OEMs would
| make them.
| tiahura wrote:
| This was a big deal back in the day. I remember watching the
| Today Show with mom (miss you) and them doing a segment on the
| race and the 959.
| marban wrote:
| If you have some cash to spend, the 911 was just released in a
| limited Dakar edition, incl. the OG Rothmans decals. Work of art.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| 200 K EUR at least, if you can manage to fetch one. At only
| 2500 units they're unlikely to be sold at Porsche dealerships
| to non-Porsche customers.
|
| As a funny anecdote a friend of mine managed to buy a Porsche
| Cayman GT4 RS (not just GT4 but GT4 RS) from an official
| Porsche dealership because he said he wanted one _before
| Porsche even announced they would create that model_. _" I want
| to order a Porsche Cayman GT4 RS"_ / _" But sir that car
| doesn't exist"_ / _" I don't care, they'll certainly make one.
| If want to book it now"_.
|
| And he got it a few months ago : )
| smprather wrote:
| I'm not even a "car guy" but I sure would love to have one of
| those GT40's from Ford vs. Ferrari. (With a working door :))
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > I'm not even a "car guy" but I sure would love to have one
| of those GT40's from Ford vs. Ferrari. (With a working door
| :))
|
| Ah... I looked into that.
|
| Good news: Ford sold the rights and the tooling for the GT40
| (and hence lost the right to use the name "GT40", which is
| why their modern "GT40" is called simply "Ford GT") and a
| company called "Superformance" still creates new Fort GT40,
| which are nearly entirely compatible, parts for parts, with
| the original ones.
|
| The Superformance cars are more than "replicas": they like to
| call their cars "continuation cars" (for they're made with
| the original tooling and they do own the rights to produce
| the GT40 and AC Cobras).
|
| It's not the "real" thing in that they aren't from the
| 60s/70s, but then you can have one for 100 K (Superformance
| AC Cobra) or 200 K (Superformance GT40) instead of millions.
|
| I've got a few cars and _may_ buy a Superformance AC Cobra at
| some point. They even have the old Carroll Shelby chassis
| number starting with "CSX". The other AC Cobra replicas
| don't get to have a chassis starting with the elusive
| "CSX...".
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| Is there a 959 version? Those cars are absolutely astonishing
| marban wrote:
| Sure, if you have 7 figures to spare. Best story:
| https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-illegal-porsche-
| sat-...
| toss1 wrote:
| Yup. Pretty outrageous. I don't think it is custom's place
| to decide if the owner is gong to drive it on the public
| roads or only on the track. That should be up to the state
| Motor Vehicle Departments whether to grant it
| roadworthiness certs and license plates, or not.
|
| He should have been able to import it and at least sit it
| in his driveway, or take it to the track, even if he can't
| drive it to work. There are plenty of purpose-built
| racecars that are street-illegal; they get towed to the
| track and have fun.
|
| Now, if he'd filled out the paperwork stating it was a road
| car, then likely US DOT rules came into play, but still,
| seems not the place of customs to enforce since there are
| legal options.
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| Oops lol for some reason I thought the person I was
| replying to was talking about a die-cast model or
| something! Of course the 959 is basically completely out of
| reach for a pleb like me.
| marban wrote:
| Porsche Item No. WAP0219590NRLL
| markonen wrote:
| I vividly remember how Ari Vatanen won the 1987 event in a
| Peugeot 205 (I was in elementary school). On the heels of the
| rally success he went on to become the PR face of Big Milk for
| the next decade or so.
| jbandela1 wrote:
| > Back in 1977, while riding a Yamaha XT 500 in the Abidjan-Nice
| Rally, a wealthy French motorcycle racer named Thierry Sabine got
| lost in the Libyan desert.
|
| The Libyan desert is a very dangerous place. Cambyses son of
| Cyrus the Great ended up losing an entire army of tens of
| thousands of men in the Libyan desert. The army was never found.
| Later Alexander the Great also got lost in the Libyan desert and
| was only saved because he was able to see and follow some ravens.
| skywal_l wrote:
| Balavoine was a once in a generation talent. He was a great
| singer but more importantly an exceptional composer right next to
| Goldman.
|
| He died at 36 and still he was able to write so many memorable
| songs.
|
| Lady Marlene is not the most popular but I have fond memories of
| it.
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| > Balavoine [...] once in a generation talent [...] right next
| to Goldman
|
| That's a very loose definition of talent you have. There is a
| reason people think the 80s is a lost decade. We are talking
| about a terrible period in a country known for the general
| awfulness of its pop music.
|
| Still a tragic and very unfortunate event.
| glandium wrote:
| When I saw the title, without opening the article, my first
| thought went to Balavoine. 1986 was tough, between the loss of
| Balavoine and that of Coluche. I was only 8, and they are the
| only memories I have from that year. (not that I have many
| memories from the surrounding years)
| zokier wrote:
| Has Dakar spent dramatically more money on (social media)
| marketing this year? Seems like they are popping up all over the
| place in a way the didn't in the past... I very much doubt its
| all organic
| zabzonk wrote:
| i thought this was the one that mark thatcher got lost in (but
| was unhappily found again) but unfortunately it was not.
| asyncscrum wrote:
| > Baron fell into a coma, from which he never awoke. He passed in
| 2010.
|
| I hadn't known that Baron was in a coma for 24 years after this.
| ur-whale wrote:
| > Back in 1977, while riding a Yamaha XT 500
|
| This bike is a legend.
|
| I used to ride one when I was younger.
|
| Fond memories of that fat 500cc mono.
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