[HN Gopher] Why "OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems" Is Not in Amazon'...
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       Why "OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems" Is Not in Amazon's Kindle Store
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 277 points
       Date   : 2022-12-31 05:20 UTC (17 hours ago)
        
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       | quickthrower2 wrote:
       | Are Kindles / Kindle store that much of a moat anymore? Because
       | now everyone has a good smartphone and can read on that using
       | whatever app. For a niche book I seek out I am happy to install a
       | specific non kindle reader.
        
         | awestroke wrote:
         | You are completely disregarding E-ink screens
        
         | kmeisthax wrote:
         | The moat isn't the hardware; the moat is the user experience
         | and relationship.
         | 
         | If you want to set up your own ebook store it's actually fairly
         | straightforward, at least technically. You just need a normal
         | e-commerce website that sells access to PDF or EPUB files.
         | 
         | The problem is that most people who buy ebooks do not want
         | their collection split across multiple platforms. This is
         | because each platform has their own DRM and app you have to
         | read books in. If you get a new phone and need to redownload
         | your collection, would you rather open up 200 websites to
         | download each author's EPUBs or one app that keeps track of
         | everything you bought?
         | 
         | Yes, I know you can work around this with cloud storage. But
         | that's extra steps; and extra steps add friction and keep
         | people from buying.
         | 
         | Furthermore, this all assumes you're willing to sell your book
         | DRM-free. If you want DRM, or your publisher demands DRM, then
         | you need to ship a mobile app instead of a website with
         | downloads. And that poses a new problem: Apple and Google are
         | not going to distribute your app unless you pay them the same
         | royalties that you'd pay as an indie author on Apple Books or
         | Google Play Books[0]. That's _their_ moat. So if you 're trying
         | to create an indie publishing platform, you have to either
         | charge two royalties and screw your authors, or make users jump
         | through hoops to buy books on a website so it appears in an
         | app.
         | 
         | DRM is in fact so much of a trap for authors and publishers
         | that some platforms just outright _refuse_ to distribute DRM-
         | free books; Audible is the worst offender in this regard.
         | Locked-down platforms also trap authors; in fact, the
         | justification that Apple uses[1] for locking down the iPhone is
         | that users can 't pirate apps if they aren't savvy enough to
         | get developer creds. Oh, and your special locked reader app is
         | never going to work on Kindle e-readers, because they don't
         | support apps period.
         | 
         | [0] I have no clue if Google even has a bookstore, I'm just
         | assuming this is what it would be called.
         | 
         | [1] To developers, not to the general public, of course
        
         | knorker wrote:
         | To me there are three reasons that reading on a phone is a
         | nonstarter:
         | 
         | 1. Screen is too small. And for everything except reading books
         | "a large phone" is a bad. I've tried big phones. I don't like
         | them. Other use cases either are best served with a phone-sized
         | screen or a laptop.
         | 
         | 2. E-ink. I could not imagine reading on non-e-ink. I'd rather
         | buy the physical book, then, and that's a big ask. I'd _really_
         | have to want to read this particular book.
         | 
         | 3. No distractions. Notifications. "Just check my email real
         | quick".
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | asicsp wrote:
       | I have a more simpler reason for not using Amazon. They don't let
       | you sell ebooks in PDF/EPUB formats. I don't mind Kindle for
       | fictional books (I have KU subscription and even published a
       | short story few years back), but for technical content I prefer
       | PDF/EPUB.
       | 
       | Gumroad/Leanpub give better rates too compared to Amazon. With
       | services like Gumroad, it is also easy to build an email list and
       | get in touch with your existing readers to promote new products,
       | inform them of book updates, etc.
        
         | iLoveOncall wrote:
         | Kindle is switching away from MOBI and to EPUB. You already
         | can't use "Send to Kindle" with MOBI according to the news
         | articles I found.
        
           | asicsp wrote:
           | Good to know. So, if you get a DRM-free book on amazon, you
           | can download it as epub?
           | 
           | Also, I wonder if longer code snippets are still wrapped
           | around or are they introducing horizontal scrollbars? (for
           | those who read on Kindle devices, web/mobile app, etc)
        
             | lxgr wrote:
             | You can download it in Amazon's format, which (for DRM-free
             | books) converts well to ePub in Calibe.
             | 
             | I think at this point the difference between AZW and ePub
             | is even mostly in the container format.
        
               | lwkl wrote:
               | Did Amazon change their DRM so it's harder to remove? I
               | didn't have any issues with using calibre to remove the
               | DRM from the e-books I bought on Amazon when I backed
               | them up.
        
           | Finnucane wrote:
           | They take epub files from publishers, but I believe what you
           | buy from them still gets a kindle wrapper.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | It's rare to get the 70% royalty, even if a Kindle book is priced
       | under $9.99.
       | 
       | TFA's linked Amazon resource page notes "UK Delivery Costs" are
       | PS0.10/MB (it's $0.15/MB in the U.S.), so if a Kindle book has 5
       | MB of images - not unreasonable for a nonfiction or technical
       | book - that's $0.75 deducted from the royalty, regardless of
       | whether book is priced $2.99 or $9.99.
       | 
       | The idea that Amazon is still charging a "delivery cost" for data
       | as if it's a 2007-era Kindle running on a built in 3G connection
       | is ludicrous. Almost all Kindles use Wi-Fi now. There is no real
       | cost to delivering the ebook data; Amazon never retired the
       | "delivery fee" because it's pure profit on the backs of authors
       | and publishers.
       | 
       | Speaking of publishers: If an author is working through a
       | publisher, the royalty cut will be eroded further. Is your
       | publisher using a distributor for the physical copies, to get
       | into bookstores? Distributors typically take a cut of ebook sales
       | as well, _even though they add no value for ebook delivery or
       | placement on Amazon_.
       | 
       | Finally, when Apple was lauded for cutting the rate charged to
       | indie developers for app store sales from 30% to 15% in 2020,
       | indie publishers asked for a similar break from Apple for titles
       | sold in Apple Books (formerly iBooks):
       | 
       |  _" While applauding Apple's decision to grant a bigger share of
       | its revenue to independent software developers, the Independent
       | Book Publishers Association (IBPA), representing more than 3,600
       | independent publishing companies nationwide, calls on the company
       | to extend the same benefits to authors, publishers, and other
       | small businesses using Apple Books for Authors and other ebook
       | publishing programs."_
       | 
       | Apple did nothing. The company still takes 30% for any book sold
       | on its platform.
       | 
       | Source: https://www.ibpa-online.org/news/541675/IBPA-Calls-on-
       | Apple-...
        
         | iLoveOncall wrote:
         | > The idea that Amazon is still charging a "delivery cost" for
         | data as if it's a 2007-era Kindle running on a built in 3G
         | connection is ludicrous. Almost all Kindles use Wi-Fi now.
         | There is no real cost to delivering the ebook data
         | 
         | ???
         | 
         | It's not charging the author for the cost incurred to the user,
         | but for the cost incurred to Amazon. It doesn't matter if you
         | have a 10 TBPS per second or are on your phone on edge, Amazon
         | still has to serve the same amount of data to the customer.
         | 
         | $0.15 per MB is huge, I'm not going to deny that, but it's
         | pretty clear it is also a measure to prevent abuse by the
         | authors.
        
           | maximilianburke wrote:
           | But shouldn't that be covered by the 30% haircut they're also
           | taking? Do Apple or Steam charge developers additionally for
           | bundle size?
        
             | iLoveOncall wrote:
             | I'm saying that it is NOT because of the ongoing bandwidth
             | cost, but rather as a deterrent to fraud.
        
           | pie_flavor wrote:
           | That's not what they were charging the fee for. They were
           | charging the fee to cover each Kindle having an active SIM,
           | which is a fixed cost regardless of the book price. They
           | don't, for example, separately charge a store entry for the
           | cost of delivering the high quality product images; random
           | garbage like that is what their cut is for because it
           | generally scales with the quality of the product.
        
             | iLoveOncall wrote:
             | That doesn't make sense, why would the price be dependent
             | on the size then?
        
         | kmeisthax wrote:
         | Wow, that is absolutely fucked. The only way that those
         | delivery costs can actually be _costs_ is if Amazon is
         | delivering every book they sell via _satellite_. AWS egress
         | fees aren 't even this fucked!
         | 
         | Text with a handful of images in it is literally the cheapest
         | thing you can distribute over the Internet. It's the reason why
         | self-hosting a blog or Mastodon instance is even financially
         | viable for most tech-savvy people, and why you have a Facebook,
         | Twitter, LinkedIn, WeChat, WhatsApp, LINE, Reddit, and Telegram
         | for every YouTube.
        
           | TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote:
           | Now apply this to the plethora of medical information in the
           | public domain, monopolized by a service that used to have to
           | ship encyclopedic volumes of books to doctors' offices on a
           | yearly basis, now easily downloaded over a weekend.
           | 
           | Be careful though, too much thinking or acting on this
           | subject might get you suicided by the FBI.
           | 
           | R.I.P. Aaron Shwartz
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | beezle wrote:
         | I have a very niche, non-technical book in both print and
         | kindle formats. It is Kindle priced at $9.99 and I am paid
         | $6.70 royalties per copy sold. This calendar year 37.4% of
         | sales were Kindle. Lifetime, about 23% are Kindle.
         | 
         | Print charges at Lightning Source have gone up considerably the
         | past two years. In addition, they forced publishers to pay a
         | minimum 30% wholesale discount this past year. Previously, I
         | only paid 26% (most of which I am sure goes to Amazon or other
         | online retailer). I try to keep the print cost to no more than
         | 35% of the list, leaving me 35%. As bricks n mortar stores want
         | a 50% discount at a minimum and also require acceptance of
         | returns, I have never tried that route.
        
       | mgaunard wrote:
       | What kind of world do you live in where you can get lunch for two
       | for 10 dollars.
       | 
       | It's more like 40 dollars, and that's assuming it's a very cheap
       | place.
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | In the US, lunch for two for $10 was totally doable from a food
         | truck in the US until recent inflation. And a _lot_ of people
         | get lunch from a food truck because it 's affordable, good,
         | varied, and not fast food.
         | 
         | If you're claiming it's $40 for two for a "very cheap" place
         | then you're clearly talking about a sit-down spot with full
         | service and beverages and a 20% tip. But most people are not
         | having lunch on a regular basis somewhere with a server who
         | takes their order and brings their food and drinks. Food trucks
         | and cafeterias exist for good reason.
        
         | Karsteski wrote:
         | The US is the only place that exists, I guess
        
           | ummonk wrote:
           | It's the primary place in the world that conducts
           | transactions in US dollars, yes.
        
         | toby- wrote:
         | The kind of life that, in 2012, most 'real people' genuinely
         | lived. (A world quite divorced from the average HN user.)
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | > What kind of world do you live in where you can get lunch for
         | two for 10 dollars.
         | 
         | Many places in the world would allow you to have lunch for two
         | for ~10 USD.
         | 
         | > It's more like 40 dollars, and that's assuming it's a very
         | cheap place.
         | 
         | You have to realize that's not representative of every place in
         | the world or even every place within the US, right? Prices
         | around the world are vastly different.
        
           | tdeck wrote:
           | I think food is really expensive in Seattle (where I live)
           | but $40 USD for lunch seems very steep to me. Unless you're
           | ordering room service or eating at a pretty upscale place
           | lunch shouod be less than $25.
           | 
           | Perhaps in Hong Kong dollars you'd spend $40 for lunch. I
           | know some places use a dollar with much less purchasing
           | power.
        
             | tetraca wrote:
             | $40 for two sounds like he's eating lunch at a sit down
             | restaurant.
        
         | ummonk wrote:
         | Did you miss the part where he mentioned 2012 and said it costs
         | $18 today?
        
         | andix wrote:
         | All over south-eastern Europe for example (maybe not Greece).
         | Probably the Baltics too. Any many more places.
        
           | anthk wrote:
           | In Spain if your lunch is composed of sandwitches for a quick
           | one, in some places of south Spain you can get a lunch for
           | two for $12.
           | 
           | Also, on some Chinese Woks I could get a box of rice with
           | chicken and some vegetables+addons such as onion rings for
           | 12-13 euros. The box is pretty big so it can be split nicely
           | without feeling yourself half-empty afterwards.
        
             | andix wrote:
             | This probably doesn't qualify for "taking my wife out to
             | lunch".
             | 
             | A few years back in Lisbon I got a simple main dish for
             | 3EUR in a restaurant. That was surprisingly cheap, I guess
             | this is not possible in Spain, also not in the cheapest
             | regions.
        
       | decide1000 wrote:
       | I try to buy books from physical book stores. Often it takes a
       | few days before it gets delivered. Michael W Lucas has a great
       | book about OpenBsd Jails, worth the read.
        
         | andix wrote:
         | Can you buy eBooks there? I don't like physical books, I never
         | have them with me, the use up space, I can't find them, they
         | are bad for the environment, ...
        
           | lxgr wrote:
           | This is actually something I'd really like to be able to do:
           | Discover a book in a physical bookstore, then scan a QR code
           | or similar, and the bookstore gets a fair share of the sales
           | price.
        
       | codetrotter wrote:
       | I love the books that Michael W Lucas has written.
       | 
       | I bought physical copies of several of them (the "FreeBSD
       | Mastery: Jails" book, "FreeBSD Mastery: Specialty Filesystems",
       | "FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS" and "FreeBSD Mastery: Advanced ZFS") on
       | FreeBSD Mall.
       | 
       | I finished reading the "FreeBSD Mastery: Jails" book, and am
       | currently reading the "FreeBSD Mastery: Specialty Filesystems"
       | book.
       | 
       | I also recently bought the Total Mastery eBook bundle of his from
       | his Tilted Windmill website. It includes eBook versions of the
       | above books that I already have in physical copies, along with a
       | bunch of other eBooks.
       | 
       | In the future I might buy physical copies of more of his books.
       | There is something special about physical books that makes them
       | far more comfortable to read for me than to read eBooks even
       | though I have a eBook reader with eInk. The ability to flip
       | through a physical book, and to feel the physical dimensions of
       | the book adds something for me that eBook readers cannot.
       | 
       | I also want to investigate whether it is possible to donate books
       | to some libraries. I think as a community we could buy IT books
       | that we particularly like, and donate them to libraries, to make
       | them available to more people. It would be especially nice to
       | help books about FreeBSD and OpenBSD reach more people.
        
         | ninjin wrote:
         | Michael is indeed a gem and I am happy to hear that his writing
         | is equally strong on the FreeBSD side of things. Absolute
         | OpenBSD was my introduction to OpenBSD in the mid-00s and I
         | just recently re-read the latest edition (a new one is rumoured
         | to be in the works) now that I am looking to go back to
         | OpenBSD. Yes, you can absolutely just go with the manuals and
         | FAQ with the amount of Unix-like experience I have at this
         | point, but Michael frequently notes clever tricks and confers
         | the different mentality on things that exists in the OpenBSD
         | community. This, in short, is priceless.
         | 
         | I have worked through Httpd and Relayd Mastery as well and I am
         | eyeing up SNMP Mastery, Ed Mastery (I expect Michael to make me
         | laugh a good few times), and SSH Mastery after I am done with
         | OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems and (not by Michael though) The
         | book of PF. Keeping Michael fed seems like a great way to bring
         | more BSD knowledge out there and hopefully keep an alternative
         | to the now so very corporate (and _much_ larger) Linux sphere
         | going.
        
           | soneil wrote:
           | I genuinely enjoyed SNMP Mastery, much to my surprise. The
           | Networknomicon edition treats the subject with the perfect
           | measure of contempt.
        
         | Sakos wrote:
         | Do you use FreeBSD regularly? Are these books useful reading
         | for somebody who doesn't use FreeBSD?
        
           | mrweasel wrote:
           | The ZFS books are pretty useful for Linux users as well. The
           | rest I haven't read.
        
           | davidcuddeback wrote:
           | > _Are these books useful reading for somebody who doesn 't
           | use FreeBSD?_
           | 
           | Yes. They'll prepare you to switch over to FreeBSD. ;P
           | 
           | In all seriousness, the ZFS books would be helpful if you use
           | ZFS on Linux. The FreeBSD-specific books probably not so
           | much. Those are the only ones I've read.
        
           | codetrotter wrote:
           | I've been a longtime FreeBSD user. For a while I was even
           | running FreeBSD on my main laptop and my main desktop. These
           | days I run FreeBSD on servers and also on a Raspberry Pi.
           | 
           | If you are familiar with other Unix-like operating systems
           | such as Linux, and you would like to use FreeBSD, then I
           | think the FreeBSD Mastery books that I mentioned which I have
           | physical copies of are useful also.
           | 
           | If you are not familiar with Unix-like systems at all then
           | the FreeBSD Mastery books are probably not yet so useful for
           | you.
           | 
           | The FreeBSD Mastery books are the most useful to someone who
           | is already using FreeBSD in my opinion.
        
             | pseudostem wrote:
             | I have the exact opposite opinion (about the OpenBSD book).
             | I used basic ls, dd, tar, ps, cat, etc. Did not know (still
             | do not) Unix systems beyond configuring a basic "how to"
             | driven webservers, DNS servers, etc.
             | 
             | Michael Lucas can delve into depths without making it sound
             | too technical IMO. Sure, you can skip chapters too (ktrace
             | in my case) and continue with the next one if it gets
             | heavy.
             | 
             | His books can be read by newbies and seasoned pros alike.
        
       | rjzzleep wrote:
       | Wow I knew it was bad, but I had no idea it was this bad. On a
       | side note one of worst things(but not the only bad thing) about
       | the Kindle Scribe is the fact that you can't easily load ebooks
       | from other vendors on it, making note taking a hassle.
       | 
       | I wonder how much of the ebook sales happen through the kindle
       | store in the west. China and other places clearly have their own
       | stores that seem to sell larger volumes.
       | 
       | It's somewhat interesting that you cannot really buy ebooks from
       | amazon.co.jp outside the country either.
        
         | causi wrote:
         | You can't plug it into your computer and drag files onto it?
        
           | innocenat wrote:
           | You can drag-drop books in Kindle Format as Kindle doesn't
           | support EPUB natively. But notetaking require conversion to
           | KFX, which is not a trivial format to convert to without
           | sending it via Amazon Server.
           | 
           | (I actually don't know if side-loaded KFX actually support
           | notetaking on the Scribe)
        
             | mantas wrote:
             | Kindle is switching to epub. For example send-to-kindle no
             | longer takes mobi, only epub.
        
               | lxgr wrote:
               | As a source format for their delivery platform, yes.
               | 
               | So far, I haven't seen any evidence that the readers or
               | apps will be getting native ePub capabilities.
               | 
               | Even then, ePubs sent to your own account still are
               | treated as second-class books. Most importantly, they are
               | not rendered in the "enhanced typesetting" engine, while
               | Amazon-bought books (often likely from the same source
               | ePub) do get that.
               | 
               | It's really hard to interpret this as anything other than
               | making it intentionally hard/annoying to import DRM-free
               | purchases from third-party bookstores.
        
               | innocenat wrote:
               | Epub sent to your account does have enhanced typesetting
               | on the Scribe.
        
             | iamtedd wrote:
             | Calibre can handle KFX conversion, though it requires a
             | plugin and Kindle Previewer from Amazon
             | (https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G202131170).
             | 
             | At least then it doesn't require uploading to Amazon's
             | servers.
        
               | innocenat wrote:
               | That is what I meant by non trivial.
        
         | andix wrote:
         | I have a first generation Kindle Paperwhite (it still works
         | fine). I just connect it to the PC via USB and press on ,,send
         | to device" in Calibre. It does some automatic conversions. It
         | is even possible to download eBooks from the Kindle and convert
         | them to epub. You need a plug-in for that, but that's not legal
         | in every country, because it removes the DRM.
        
         | easytiger wrote:
         | Does the scribe not support the @kindle.com send document
         | facility? Not that I trust Amazon to keep that around
        
       | comboy wrote:
       | Does anybody know why royalty is like this and not the other way
       | around? Their handling and cost seems constant, why charge bigger
       | percentage if the book is more expensive?
       | 
       | Only thing that comes to mind is wanting to keep all ebook prices
       | below $10, but that doesn't make much sense.
       | 
       | Btw, if author is around here, "About Me" -> "Support An Author"
       | link is dead.
        
         | notatoad wrote:
         | IIRC the royalty rates for books under $2.99 are also severely
         | reduced. It seems like a pretty clear tactic to try to keep
         | ebook prices in the $3-10 range.
         | 
         | Not sure why you don't think that makes sense? If they've done
         | the research and figured out that's how they sell the most
         | books, it makes sense to push prices into that range
        
         | soapdog wrote:
         | They force books in the 3-10 price bracket to artificially keep
         | the eBooks cheap. Authors in the KDP program will lose money if
         | they charge between ~10 and ~20. It doesn't matter if as an
         | author you have a book that should be priced above 10, you're
         | pushed into charging a lower amount.
         | 
         | This ends up benefiting low-effort books because the ROI on
         | them ends up higher than more complex projects that would
         | require charging more per unit.
         | 
         | Selling books is a tricky business and Amazon is helping itself
         | more than it is helping the ecosystem. If you can choose, go to
         | a different vendor for books, preferably buy direct from the
         | authors.
         | 
         | My own personal choice is first attempting to buy direct and my
         | second option is Kobo which has a better royalty breakdown and
         | is curated by real humans, as in as an author you can reach
         | real people to talk at Kobo and help you out.
        
           | comboy wrote:
           | I'll be honest, kindle + 1-click is just too handy to me. I
           | like my kindle, I've seen some other readers and they don't
           | seem to match it. The differences seem subtle, I don't know
           | where the magic sauce is.
           | 
           | I try to make up for it with occasional donations which also
           | seem like a nice feedback loop. It's astounding how well
           | researched and packed with information some books are
           | compared to others which I would also rate as good books.
        
         | SoftTalker wrote:
         | > Only thing that comes to mind is wanting to keep all ebook
         | prices below $10, but that doesn't make much sense.
         | 
         | For me (perhaps because I grew up with physical books) the
         | perceived value of an e-book is much lower. The same way I
         | would buy a daily newspaper on the way to work, but have never
         | paid for a newspaper website. Or that I would routinely pay for
         | a vinyl record album but have never paid for online music.
         | 
         | Something about the nature of electronic media reduces its
         | perceived value compared to physical. Physical media I can
         | hold. I can feel its weight. It is something real. There is a
         | sense that I "own" it and that it cannot be taken away
         | arbitrarily, or suddenly become unusable due to a technical
         | fault or technological obsolesence.
         | 
         | I have an e-book reader but haven't bought any e-books over
         | about $5.00. For anything asking $10 or more I still prefer
         | physical copies.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | matheusmoreira wrote:
       | > That's also why I've focused so hard on disintermediation
       | through my Patronizers, sponsorships, and lately Kickstarter.
       | 
       | This is the real answer. The artificial scarcity business model
       | is done. Patronage and crowdfunding are the only real ways for a
       | creator to make money without having to sell copies.
        
         | TAForObvReasons wrote:
         | Artificial scarcity model is definitely not "done", given that
         | the author is still selling copies. The benefits (exposure) on
         | Amazon is not worth the cost for the author.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | I guess Amazon is learning from the Apple App Store.
        
       | thedailymail wrote:
       | Amazon should introduce a progressive scale similar to the ones
       | widely used in tax bracketing. The higher rates only kick in at
       | price points that ensure the sale of a higher priced e-book will
       | always result in more revenue for the author, even if the general
       | trend is to take a bigger cut of higher priced items.
       | 
       | (Not that I am a fan of Amazon's publishing model - it just seems
       | they are tripping over an already solved problem.)
        
         | messe wrote:
         | They should just drop the bracketing entirely and give 70% to
         | the authors in all cases, instead of the continued predatory
         | gouging you're suggesting.
        
           | sneak wrote:
           | It is neither predatory nor gouging, with TFA serving as
           | perfect evidence. No one is compelled to agree to these
           | terms.
        
             | messe wrote:
             | When you own such a large portion of the ebook sales
             | market, it very much could be considered predatory
             | (bordering on monopolistic).
             | 
             | Larger authors are not compelled to agree to these terms
             | sure, but if you're a smaller publisher or author trying to
             | get your work out there and noticed, it can be hard to gain
             | ground without selling via Amazon.
        
               | mavhc wrote:
               | Isn't that a great reason to not publish on Amazon?,
               | you'd only increase their market share.
               | 
               | It's not as if Amazon is unaware, they'll fix their
               | pricing system if enough people reject it.
        
               | messe wrote:
               | Well, yes, it's a great reason not to publish there, but
               | only if you can afford not to do so. Amazon dominates the
               | e-book market.
        
               | mbork_pl wrote:
               | As a "smaller author" who used Leanpub (not affiliated
               | with them, just a satisfied customer - both reader and
               | writer) to publish my Emacs Lisp book I can say that I
               | don't care about putting it on Amazon, and I don't think
               | I lost a lot (or anything) because of that.
               | 
               | OTOH, I published this book after about 7 years of weekly
               | blogging, mostly about Emacs, so I think that everyone
               | who might be interested in my book could easily know
               | about it. And an intermediate Elisp textbook is rather a
               | niche thing.
        
               | rojcyk wrote:
               | your niche is exactly the reason why you can get away
               | without using Amazon.
        
             | nottorp wrote:
             | HN loves monopolies except when it's fashionable to hate
             | them :)
        
         | Un1corn wrote:
         | Maybe they intentionally want to keep books below 10 dollars?
         | 
         | Maybe they figured that in the end they have a lot more cheap
         | books than a few that might be more than double because of the
         | non-progressive scale.
        
           | Linosaurus wrote:
           | For sure it's an intentional strategy to keep books cheap.
           | And indirectly also to prevent any competitors from selling
           | the same books at a higher price.
        
       | molticrystal wrote:
       | I don't know if it works for every book or even for this one, but
       | perhaps where applicable trying to split the book into 2 or more
       | parts, each priced moderately below the $9.99 limit.
       | 
       | It would be interesting to find out if the lower price of part
       | one increases sales enough to compensate for the lesser amount of
       | sales of the latter parts, and if in the end the income is
       | higher, lower, or about the same.
        
         | mcherm wrote:
         | What's clever about that, is that it also avoids Amazon's "best
         | price here" policy since the two half-books would be Amazon
         | exclusives.
        
           | tete wrote:
           | Until it catches on and Amazon changes their practices.
        
       | medo-bear wrote:
       | good for him. it never ceases to amaze me how much privacy and
       | freedom people are willing to forgo for sake of convenience
        
       | kmeisthax wrote:
       | One thing to note is that if you're not on Amazon, your book will
       | still be on Amazon. Cory Doctorow points out[0] that their
       | copyright detection systems only detect reuploads of on-platform
       | books, and people scamming Audible with duplicates of books are
       | rampant. I suspect this is part of why there isn't a huge
       | contingent of angry authors jumping ship, because they can't
       | reliably deny Amazon their work anyway.
       | 
       | You're _supposed_ to be able to just tell platforms  "no, take
       | this down". That comes from DMCA 512, that thing that indie
       | creators absolutely hate because its far more useful as a
       | censorship tool than for copyright enforcement[1]. If someone
       | else reuploads your book to Amazon you have to actually find that
       | reupload, buy it to validate that it is your work, take it down
       | (and dox yourself in the process), and then repeat, forever.
       | 
       | Outright infringement isn't the _only_ scam either - ghostwriting
       | and reselling lightly-edited GPT-3 copy[2] is also rampant on the
       | platform, and there 's even people selling courses on how to
       | resell fake books[3]. This may eventually destroy Amazon's brand
       | reputation, but it takes a long time to fall down the Trust
       | Thermocline[4] when you're a giant like Amazon.
       | 
       | The $10 royalty punishment makes absolutely no sense to me and I
       | do not understand what the hell Amazon's motive is there. Except
       | perhaps to bluff-charge indie writers into devaluing their work
       | ahead of time. It reminds me of how Apple pushed for $0.99 songs
       | for so long that the RIAA was willing to go DRM-free just to be
       | able to charge more for popular singles. Except Amazon is also
       | really, _really_ pro-DRM, and so is the rest of the traditional
       | publishing industry, which is running the same grift Amazon is at
       | a different stage of production.
       | 
       | [0] https://doctorow.medium.com/why-none-of-my-books-are-
       | availab...
       | 
       | https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/07/audible-exclusive/#audibl...
       | 
       | [1] If the particular indie creator in question is making fanart,
       | then the latter feels like the former, even though the law sides
       | against fan artists.
       | 
       | [2] Which is just infringement with extra steps, assuming that
       | GPT-3 was trained on your original work and is regurgitating it
       | 
       | [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYciU1uiUw
       | 
       | [4] https://twitter.com/garius/status/1588115317862981632
        
         | ummonk wrote:
         | Can't the piracy issue be solved by listing your book on Amazon
         | for an exorbitant price?
        
           | kmeisthax wrote:
           | Most-favored nation clauses prohibit that. Amazon either
           | sells your book for the best price or not at all.
        
       | charlieyu1 wrote:
       | I should make a ebook. I'm currently getting 5% from my
       | publisher.
        
       | tete wrote:
       | I think Amazon should be avoided, especially for books.
       | 
       | I've heard about more than one author being told "Either
       | exclusively (or by far the cheapest) on Amazon or no Amazon at
       | all". That's a really shitty attitude and should be punished by
       | customers.
       | 
       | But then there is also a bazillion other reason to avoid Amazon
       | like the plague.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon
        
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         | thayne wrote:
         | I know an author who had one of her books removed from Amazon
         | (both print and digital) because a coauthor on the book was
         | banned for violating terms of service. I don't know the whole
         | story of the violation, but it had something to do with posting
         | content froma different work on their own website and asking
         | for feedback.
        
         | yakubin wrote:
         | That may be an option in the US, but in Europe Amazon is often
         | the only option to get a technical paper book published in the
         | US.
        
           | nils-m-holm wrote:
           | I am in Europe and publish my books with Lulu Press. Works
           | smoothly and royalties are fair. Not affiliated, just a happy
           | customer.
           | 
           | Some of my books are also available as ebooks, but I
           | specifically avoid Amazon, because I dislike their DRM and
           | their "cheap book" policy. $10 for a textbook? Come on.
        
           | openplatypus wrote:
           | Go direct to Manning or PragProg. Go directly to Apress.
           | 
           | Fallback on ebooks.com.
           | 
           | I am in Europe. Not using Amazon.
        
             | input_sh wrote:
             | For years I thought I wasn't using Amazon, finding this
             | website called The Book Depository that offers free
             | shipping to where I'm from (while Amazon charges ~$60).
             | 
             | One day I randomly looked up who owns it. Amazon subsidiary
             | since 2011. Amazon is mentioned zero times on the homepage,
             | zero times on the about page, zero times in Terms &
             | Conditions, and once in a random help article.
             | 
             | So I've discovered I didn't go years without Amazon as I
             | thought I did.
        
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