[HN Gopher] Opting out of facial recognition at an American airport
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Opting out of facial recognition at an American airport
Author : f38zf5vdt
Score : 28 points
Date : 2022-12-29 19:05 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| imiric wrote:
| I applaud the effort to do this, but I think it's ultimately
| futile. Facial and body recognition will be done to you in many
| places, even inside the airport, whether you consent to it or
| not. Insisting to opt out will make everyone else's job more
| difficult, and could possibly get you on the "troublesome" list,
| attracting even more attention to you.
|
| I'm surprised opting out is even allowed at the US border. I
| wouldn't recommend doing this in China or in other surveillance
| states.
|
| Unfortunately, it's the direction we're heading in. If you want
| to be part of modern society, you have to accept this as another
| price to pay. It's a defeatist mentality, but biometric
| recognition will only get more sophisticated and widespread.
| mindslight wrote:
| > _Insisting to opt out will make everyone else 's job more
| difficult_
|
| Good! Overly worrying about the individual people functioning
| as the low level tip of the spear is exactly what the people
| creating/administering a system want you to do, so their agenda
| can continue unquestioned. Rather, you should be friendly and
| polite to the individuals but firm in your insistence.
|
| > _could possibly get you on the "troublesome" list_
|
| If one doesn't want our society to continue sliding into
| technological totalitarianism, then one needs to not treat it
| like a foregone conclusion.
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| "As a genderqueer queer Korean I have always experienced violence
| going through security. So this is an added factor I am always
| aware of whenever I do anything against the current.
|
| Sometimes I have to weigh the violence of my data being harvested
| from me against the violence of harassment (physical, verbal, and
| mental)."
|
| I've never seen such a liberal definition of violence.
| quinnjh wrote:
| Im sympathetic to the authors experience of feeling scrutinized
| due to gender, but it strikes me as odd that opting out of what
| tiktok and instagram do to others constantly is a hill they
| feel is worth dying on.
|
| If data collection is violence, then walking 30 feet in any
| major city of USA or S Korea must be ... debilitating.. for me
| that requires that i calibrate my definitions of violence to
| allow me to peacefully continue forward in our brave new world.
|
| The alternative they suggest where we all "resist" as much as
| possible seems difficult to get buy in on. Its like a prisoners
| dilemma where most people will opt for "dont resist/ get
| through customs quicker"
| xen2xen1 wrote:
| The left has learned well that changing definitions that make
| everything look and sound worse is a very good ploy, and works
| very well.
| siquick wrote:
| Let's not pretend that both sides of the coin don't do
| exactly the same thing.
| mindslight wrote:
| I think you mean "social media addicts" in general - don't
| forget about "lockdown", "stop the steal", "assassination
| coordinates", etc. With shallow communication, inducing as
| much emotional impact as possible is unfortunately the
| winning strategy.
|
| Specifically here, when talking about a situation designed
| around individual agents readily exercising autocratic power
| including physical violence, the word "violence" is quite
| appropriate. Very few people would choose to voluntarily
| unpack everything in their bags for a stranger in a public
| place. This characterization is actually much more in line
| with the standard libertarian critique of government.
| [deleted]
| dangus wrote:
| How do you know this individual is a member of "the left?"
| Did they show their membership card?
| feet wrote:
| >intentional use of physical force or power, threatened[2] or
| actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group
| or community, which either results in or has a high
| likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm,
| maldevelopment, or deprivation
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| This part specifically "violence of my data being harvested
| from me"
|
| Biometrics are not cool but a photo is not violent
| dangus wrote:
| Some dictionary definitions of violence from Merriam Webster:
|
| 2: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or
| profanation : OUTRAGE
|
| 3a: intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action
| or force
|
| _the violence of the storm_
|
| b: vehement feeling or expression : FERVOR
|
| also: an instance of such action or feeling
|
| c: a clashing or jarring quality : DISCORDANCE
|
| Maybe the choice of language is strong but I don't think the
| word is being used incorrectly.
| quinnjh wrote:
| now im curious what its like to opt out of Korea's SES biometrics
| system.
| sokoloff wrote:
| I opt out of the AIT scanners every time. What's surprising to me
| is that, in years of doing it, I've only ever seen one other
| person do that (leaving Re-invent in Vegas). It gets eye rolls
| from my family and sometimes from colleagues I'm traveling with,
| but this small measure of resistance against more-invasive-than-
| required search is worth the few minutes of delay to me.
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