[HN Gopher] David Cronenberg on "Crimes of the Future"
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David Cronenberg on "Crimes of the Future"
Author : keiferski
Score : 49 points
Date : 2022-12-28 05:26 UTC (1 days ago)
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| jokowueu wrote:
| It was a fantastic movie . Kristen Stewart was phenomenal in this
| movie .
| Mistletoe wrote:
| Post Twilight I'm a huge unabashed Kristen Stewart fan. Saw her
| in some Olivier Assayas movies at the art museum and fell in
| love.
| yamtaddle wrote:
| I also now see Pattinson's involvement in a film as a sign
| it's gonna at least be worth a watch.
|
| All I can figure is the script and director _demanded_
| wooden, bad acting in the Twilight films, for whatever
| reason.
| Jare wrote:
| I'm ready to bet that _both_ Kristen Stewart and Robert
| Pattison will get an Oscar in the next 5 years. They are
| fantastic and it 's crazy that both would get the big
| spotlight thanks to that bankable but utterly uninteresting
| franchise.
| TechnicolorByte wrote:
| Wish I could share the enthusiasm. Felt like it wasn't saying
| anything interesting. That or I missed the point because much
| of the dialogue was hard to understand in the theater.
| cpeterso wrote:
| If you like David Cronenberg's work, definitely check out his son
| Brandon Cronenberg's films "Antiviral" and "Possessor".
| e40 wrote:
| _Possessor_ is on Hulu... thanks!
| labrador wrote:
| _Set in a haunted, ancient-yet-avant-garde Athens where people
| cut each other up for kicks_...
|
| No thanks, I've had enough of Cronenberg for one life
| Bayart wrote:
| It's very much in the lineage of Videodrome and Existenz.
| beepbooptheory wrote:
| You will be left behind as the world changes, holding on to an
| expired sanctity. The New Flesh has no need for those who would
| judge sentences instead of organs!
| n0us wrote:
| This was one of the strangest movies I've seen in years, in a
| good way
| arcade79 wrote:
| I "snuck" in to watch Crash, by Cronenberg, at a con in '96 or
| '97. I was among the crew/organizers at the con, so "snuck" is an
| exaggeration. Anyhow. I was 16 or 17 at the time. It was rated 18
| in my country at the time. It should've been rated NSFL. :-)
|
| I've never watched a Cronenberg since.
|
| I'm sure he makes good movies, but .. eh, I developed a healthy
| scare for his movies watching Crash.
| bee_rider wrote:
| _In a sense, this is a "process" film, devoted to the nuts and
| bolts of creation, and thus one of Cronenberg's densest and most
| pedantic outings. Yet it's somehow also among his most immediate
| works--a kind of intellectual road map for the contemplation of
| existential questions of such overwhelming scale and urgency that
| few artists dare to confront them so directly._
|
| Does anyone know what a process film is, or what it means for a
| movie to be pedantic?
|
| I can't make heads or tails of this, but I'm glad (sincerely and
| unsarcastically) that Cronenberg is around to make movies for
| people who can!
| sdwr wrote:
| I read process as meaning the film is about systemic effects in
| a variety of contexts, as opposed to being plot- or character-
| driven.
|
| Like, "it's about the journey, not the destination", but one
| step further, because journey implies people and meaningful
| events.
| autoexec wrote:
| I'm guessing a process film is this:
|
| In The Process Genre Salome Aguilera Skvirsky introduces and
| theorizes the process genre--a heretofore unacknowledged and
| untheorized transmedial genre characterized by its
| representation of chronologically ordered steps in which some
| form of labor results in a finished product.
|
| https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-process-genre
|
| a 'pedantic film' may just mean it's unimaginative/boring, or
| even ostentatious/preachy
| Slow_Hand wrote:
| Crikey. The writing from that excerpt is tedious to parse.
| Why is academic writing so often insufferable?
|
| Are there any other genres of writing that are usually this
| clunky to read? Maybe legal writing?
| autoexec wrote:
| Sorry, I didn't author it, I just found it googling around
| for an explanation for the term. I blame the publisher.
| RC_ITR wrote:
| Pedantic in this case means dull and unimaginative.
|
| https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
|
| Everyone else's understanding of process seems fine.
| HillRat wrote:
| "Pedantic" is probably not the most felicitous term they
| could have used; they clearly meant something more like
| "abstruse," given their obvious admiration for the film.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I've gotten multiple contradictory definitions of "process
| film" here, I think yamtaddle's is most correct though.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34177435
| yamtaddle wrote:
| The sentence tells you exactly what "'process' film"
| means--"devoted to the nuts and bolts of creation", that is, to
| a _process_. The quotes on "process" here indicate the author
| is either using some very-obscure term or (more likely, I
| think) is coining it themselves for their purpose in this
| piece, which is why (in either case) it's explained right
| after.
|
| Pedantic, I think is used in the sense of schoolmasterly or in
| the manner of a teacher--as in: the film "reads" a bit like a
| lecture, is concerned with details and plainly connecting A to
| B in a logical order and clearly demonstrating that to the
| viewer, that kind of thing. That's why it's contrasted with "
| _Yet_ it's somehow also among his most immediate works "
| (emphasis mine). The author's saying it's not also excessively
| abstract or distant from life and applicability, as one
| imagines lectures might sometimes be.
|
| Same root as "pedagogy", though outside certain educated
| circles "pedant" is almost exclusively used in the colloquial,
| pejorative sense of "know-it-all, especially one who insists on
| correcting others unnecessarily"--but it's certainly used in
| the older, more neutral sense here.
| slibhb wrote:
| You don't have to intellectualize movies to enjoy them.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I agree. Some people enjoy movies more by intellectualizing
| them, though, and certain directors seem to have more to
| offer them.
| abruzzi wrote:
| I read it as like a "police procedural", which is a film that
| prioritizes the actual procedure of police work over big
| themes, character development, and action. In this case---it
| delves into processes, artistic and bureaucratic. There are
| "big themes" but there are also odd scenes where bureaucrats
| discuss the need for cataloging organs, and artists discuss the
| viability of doing an autopsy as art.
|
| In this quote I read "pedantic" as simply meaning focused on
| the details, really just a reinforcement of the "process"
| assertion.
| pessimizer wrote:
| I suspect that by "process" film, they mean a film about the
| process of doing something.
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