[HN Gopher] MuseScore 4
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MuseScore 4
Author : llui85
Score : 61 points
Date : 2022-12-14 21:05 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| oDot wrote:
| Does anyone know if they avoided the controversies of Audacity,
| given they're also owned by Muse Group?
| smallerfish wrote:
| I really hope they have a big overhaul coming for Audacity.
| It's a powerful tool but the UI is (at best) severely dated.
| Tantacrul's initial analysis of Audacity's UX had me hopeful
| that there'd be rapid progress towards modernizing it.
| somrand0 wrote:
| > _[...]that 'd be rapid progress towards modernizing it._
|
| I misread this as "monetizing". almost snorted.
|
| What's so bad about the UI? is it dated because of it's
| structure? or does it seem dated because of widgets (the
| style, the way it is drawn?)?
|
| The super powered UI problem is not quite solved, unless you
| accept microsoft's ribbon interfaces as a solution
| jrm4 wrote:
| I've always found it _awful_ compared to what I always go
| back to, even in a VM, which is Sony /Adobe Audition
| (formerly Cool Edit Pro).
|
| The latter just seems much more intuitive when it comes to
| really basic cut/copy/trim/timeshift operations. Is there
| something I'm missing here?
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I had a horrible experience. I tried to buy the subscription and
| they charged me in USD rather than CAD. Support half explained
| that the mobile subscription and the website subscription were
| different things and just happened to have the same dollar
| amounts listed. But one was implicitly USD while the other
| specifically labelled CAD.
| derriz wrote:
| Perhaps off-topic but I use MuseScore 3 occasionally and it's
| great that there's a free alternative for amateurs like me who
| only use such software a few times a year. But it feels like it
| such a missed opportunity - it's 90% of the way to being a great
| piece of software but is hampered by what seems to be ideological
| attachment to a particular idea of what it means to "edit" a
| score.
|
| It feels like using a word-processor with a stuck "Insert" key -
| you're stuck in "overwrite" mode. This works for some aspects of
| entering music but is incredibly frustrating for others. This
| point has been raised many times on the fora but they are often
| dismissed in thinly disguised passive aggressive way ("you just
| don't understand the model, come back when you do").
|
| This approach forces you to nail down the rhythm and measures
| first otherwise you're in a world of pain later. While a natural
| flow for me (and seemingly many others given the number of
| queries on the subject) is to start with the melody without too
| much regard for measures and fix up the timing later.
|
| The odd thing is that it's clear that internally/technically,
| there is nothing that would prevent them allowing you to use the
| software in a more natural way (that supports
| cut/copy/insert/paste etc.) because there are ways to actually
| "insert" but it's made incredibly obscure by the way the UI hides
| this ability. I got the impression that the people running the
| project just didn't want to make it "easy" for users to work with
| a score in this way because it's just not the "correct" way to
| work with a score.
|
| Despite this, I'm grateful for the effort that has gone into the
| Musescore series. Also I'll probably check out Musescore 4. I
| like Tantacrul's youtube channel.
| llui85 wrote:
| MuseScore has two separate components:
|
| - _Musescore.com_ is run by Muse Group, formerly Ultimate Guitar.
| This is the sheet music sharing site which has a few
| controversies with downloading user scores, although this has
| improved a bit recently.
|
| - _Musescore.org_ is the GPLv3 notation software which they 've
| announced the release for.
|
| Muse is very good at keeping these two parts separated from each
| other. For example, the new "Muse Sounds" is installed via the
| closed-source "Muse Hub" (which economically makes sense as
| providing high-quality samples would be a fruitful business
| opportunity in the future) through a shared library.
|
| Personally I think that this is a nice balance between
| maintaining the open-source software and providing features that
| practically only work with commercial backing - the reason that
| this could occur so quickly is because it reuses the playback
| engine and samples from StaffPad (https://www.staffpad.net), one
| of Muse's acquisitions.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| Intro video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1CcIRzJHE
| pkstn wrote:
| Wow!
| thot_experiment wrote:
| MuseScore is the reason I stopped pirating GuitarPro. Blender is
| the reason I stopped pirating 3DS Max. Krita is the reason I
| stopped pirating Photoshop.
|
| I'm doing my best to be fully FOSS these days and I can't thank
| the devs of these programs enough for giving me faith in
| humanity.
| sureglymop wrote:
| Still looking for a replacement for Ableton Live :(
| porphyra wrote:
| Add Darktable vs Lightroom to the mix.
| thot_experiment wrote:
| Yeah for sure, thanks for reminding me! Except I use
| RawTherapee, which was actually the first FOSS program I
| swapped to from a paid (pirated) one without any sort of
| philosophical justification. It was just miles and miles
| better than the commercial apps (at least for my workflow).
| porphyra wrote:
| Yes RawTherapee is great too!
| actionfromafar wrote:
| I never understand for RawTherapee, how/where to use the
| sliders. Or anything really, I get super confused.
| Lightroom 6 is clunky, but I understand what happens.
| wellanyway wrote:
| That's interesting. Main tab has the usual suspects -
| exposure compensation, contrast, brightness, saturation.
| Then there are curves, same in every image software under
| the sun . Then there's shadows/highlights, again - no
| originality whatsoever. Can you describe what sliders are
| confusing to you?
|
| Rawtherapee is probably my most used open source app
| ever, even counting vim. Only issue with it for me is
| lack of support for Lightroom presets.
| thot_experiment wrote:
| For sure the learning curve is steep, but the control
| you're rewarded with is unparalleled. (Plus there's
| CIECAM02, one of the greatest color spaces of all time)
| mattgreenrocks wrote:
| Do you miss anything from Guitar Pro in MuseScore?
|
| I'm sick of paying for upgrades to GP in the hope that the next
| version is less bad than the previous version. It peaked at
| either 5 or 6 (I think) but they required Mac users to upgrade
| to get a 64-bit binary. 7.0 feels much slower (Electron?) and
| seems to insist on keeping your mic open for some silly
| feature.
| csmcg wrote:
| TuxGuitar is fine for me.
| raydiatian wrote:
| MuseScore really is wonderful. Use it for transcriptions all the
| time.
| cobertos wrote:
| What happened to their sheet music sharing website though? It
| seems like they're trying to extract money from the large back
| catalog of stuff people have uploaded to them.
|
| I have a hard time trusting this company with anything, let alone
| my time and resources.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Well, they have a tricky issue there, because all kinds of
| music publishers come after them for royalties when they host
| sheet music. Unfortunately music publishers try to extract
| money even if it's just a hobbyist transcribing their favourite
| pop or jazz tune or what it may be.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| I've always found the website annoying, but you can see and
| play the scores without needing to pay for an account. (Or even
| have an account.)
|
| The new "official scores" are an exception; you can't even see
| them without paying. A step backwards in my opinion.
|
| If you really want one of my musescore files, send me a message
| and I'll be happy to email it. Odds are other people on the
| site will do similarly.
| AstixAndBelix wrote:
| The software is free, the hosting and sharing service is
| paid.
|
| Seriously, if you can't even accept this then let's just ban
| free software already.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| The hosting is also free. I'm not paying anything to store
| my stuff on their website.
|
| If they start blocking user scores that cover official
| scores, they'll be over a line.
| [deleted]
| tgv wrote:
| They do. It's shitty. For a number of works, they don't even
| have the rights.
| chocolatkey wrote:
| Not 100% sure if this works anymore, but a "trick" I found is
| creating an account when they ask to sign up for free trial, go
| through the process, don't actually pay for the free trial,
| then go back to the sheet music you were trying to download and
| _some_ of the formats such as PDF will now download.
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