[HN Gopher] My bike was stolen (2017)
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My bike was stolen (2017)
Author : davidhaymond
Score : 80 points
Date : 2022-12-14 17:29 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| Karsteski wrote:
| I could not even imagine the police getting off their butts to do
| anything about a stolen bike, much less going along with a
| regular person's investigation. Great work, I wish more police
| were willing to actually do things when members of the public
| take the initiative
| mrexroad wrote:
| Fwiw, the police helped me successfully recover my kid's stolen
| bike and arrested the thief/seller as soon as I ID'd our bike
| at the "meet-up."
|
| It's easy to over generalize.
| ProAm wrote:
| YMMV - I see zero help with home burglaries let alone stolen
| bikes. Depends on a lot of factors, just sucks you pay taxes
| for no benefits.
| brianwawok wrote:
| Depends where you live. SF you are getting a laugh. Tiny
| rural town you are getting the sherif and his full effort.
| bowsamic wrote:
| Yeah here in Germany you would be laughed out of the police
| station or the police would get aggressive with you and accuse
| you of committing a crime
| JanSt wrote:
| Ummm no? Two weeks ago I saw a guy trying to steal a bike and
| called the police. Three police cars arrived within 3 minutes
| and they tried to find him for at least 30 minutes based on
| my description.
| bowsamic wrote:
| Maybe it's a Hamburg thing then. Everyone I know who has
| tried to report a crime here in Hamburg has been
| interrogated and harassed by the police
| Tarsul wrote:
| there's a huge difference between catching the thieves in
| the act and trying to get your bike back afterwards.
| Actually, I have experienced both cases: Once my brother
| saw how thieves were trying to steal a bike and informed
| the police, who acted. Another time I saw my stolen bike
| basically 300m next to a police station and went there
| and everything they said was: We don't have policemen
| here who have time for this. And all I could think (I was
| a teenager then): WHAT? You are at the reception and not
| doing anything... I didn't think about stealing it back,
| though.... (both cases were in Bergedorf ;))
| Eleison23 wrote:
| rolph wrote:
| any idea what the price tag on the bike was? im in US and
| we have a threshold of value, beyond which it is a very
| serious crime.
| xeromal wrote:
| Ummm no is randomly sassy.
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| Accusing the victims or just flat-out covering crime seems to
| be a common practice over there, at least for things much
| worse than property crimes [0] [1] [2].
|
| [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany
| /12...
|
| [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-
| poli...
|
| [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
| Hamuko wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-fn0yCdqHg
|
| Apparently you might get lucky.
| [deleted]
| IshKebab wrote:
| Yeah this is an amazing story. The only bike theft I've ever
| heard of where the police actually did something.
|
| It does reconfirm just how little they care about bike theft
| though - literally all they had to do was email the thief and
| he would come to them! But no even that is too much work.
| boomerango wrote:
| The frustrating thing is that if the police even
| _occasionally_ stung bike thieves, theft would likely
| decrease disproportionately. Something about not having total
| impunity...
| jacquesm wrote:
| They do that in NL, google 'lokfiets'. In NL stealing a
| bike puts you at roughly the same level as a horse thief in
| the Wild West. We just don't hang them from trees.
| Unfortunately here too the police is often too busy with
| more important work to go after stolen bikes but since the
| really bad days (the 80's) bike theft here has definitely
| gone down. I still wouldn't leave a high value bike (say a
| newish e-bike or a nice racer) out of my sight though.
| nabilhat wrote:
| Police actually often do retrieve stolen bikes! Not most of the
| time, and not because stealing a bike is a crime, and not
| because they know it's stolen. In the US, if one or more bikes
| are in the posession of the (ahem) kind of person that your
| local police have motivation to shake down, they may be
| confiscated if they're in that person's possession when they
| do.
|
| If the bike is valuable enough to be worth the effort, it will
| eventually be listed for sale by the police, usually through an
| "unclaimed property" continuous auction system. If the bike
| doesn't clear whatever value/revenue threshold that is, it'll
| be scrapped or donated and that's that, or sometimes it'll end
| up bundled with a bunch of other low value things as a single
| auction item.
|
| If your bike is valuable enough to generate revenue greater
| than the expense of auction logitics and is stolen in the US,
| pay attention to police auctions in your general area and it's
| likely to turn up. Sometimes they'll skip the sale and give it
| to you if you have documentation proving that it's yours,
| sometimes they want you to point them to the police report you
| filed saying it was stolen. Sometimes they'll lol and you have
| to pay up anyway.
| MomoXenosaga wrote:
| 1990: oh darn it not again! Find the nearest junkie and give them
| fl25
|
| 2022: call the insurance company to explain the EUR3000 van Moof
| is on it's way to Romania
| SeanLuke wrote:
| I have an unusual folding bike. It's a Bike Friday Tikit, and
| basically has a Steal Me sign attached to it. But it also can be
| folded extremely rapidly and covered with a custom built-in cover
| so it looks like, oh, a tuba case.
|
| My anti-theft strategy is: my bike has never had a lock. This
| forces me to fold and cover it and take it in with me wherever I
| go. Office buildings, federal buildings in DC (really), offices
| in the Smithsonian, labs. Restaurants nearly universally allow me
| to bring it in and tuck it somewhere because as long as it's
| covered no customer is going to complain; they don't even notice
| it. It's like a Jedi mind cloak. This was the case for Rome as
| well, when I had the bike there for about a year.
|
| The only place I ever had an issue was the National Science
| Foundation. I biked to a panel meeting only to discover they
| wouldn't let me take the bike in. There was a bike cage in the
| basement but for "employees only". And the guard station wouldn't
| let me tuck the bike there out of liability concern. However it
| turns out that the panel meeting was on a second floor room which
| coincidentally was attached via a sky bridge to a shopping mall
| across the street with no guard station. The guards hinted that I
| take the bike to the mall, up the escalator, across the bridge,
| and right into the room. Which I did.
| hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
| Rules is rules!
| kelnos wrote:
| I really like that the guards recognized that the rule was
| stupid, and sneakily gave you a workaround. It's just a shame
| that inflexible, arbitrary rules end up existing in the first
| place, and that (presumably) the guard would have gotten in
| trouble if they'd let you in directly.
| dahart wrote:
| Last year I had a very similar story, though in my case the
| police were not only helpful, at first they encouraged me to make
| first contact and initiate the sting! This was primarily due to
| them being short staffed the night I found my bike listed online,
| but I was pretty sure the police were going to advise that I stay
| clear of the thief, which is what most of my clear-headed friends
| said.
|
| Due to a storm I stalled a little, and it was enough that the
| police went and did the sting without me. They called me to come
| get it where it went down, and there was a whole team there
| looking very proud. They said less than 1% of cases bikes get
| recovered because nobody registers their bikes, and not many
| people call them. There's a whole warehouse full of unclaimed
| bikes.
|
| The thief was a serial offender, but also homeless which I feel
| bad about. He had to go to court and I got several letters
| requesting I share my story of the financial damage the theft
| caused me, but since I got the bike back there wasn't any to
| speak of.
| progre wrote:
| I like the writing style. Compact sentences. Reminds me of Erlend
| Loe's first few books.
| rsync wrote:
| I have been experimenting these past few years with an even
| more condensed style of writing which I have termed "Iceberg
| Articles".
|
| Here is the iceberg article on the topic of Iceberg Articles:
|
| https://john.kozubik.com/pub/IcebergArticle/tip.html
|
| I think you'll get the idea, but here is another example which
| is a work in progress:
|
| https://john.kozubik.com/pub/NetworkSlug/tip.html
|
| ... and yes, I am aware that the opposite of the "tip" of an
| iceberg is a "bummock" but I decided to just use "body".
| techsupporter wrote:
| Same here. I must be jaded because every time I click to read a
| story like this, I am fully expecting:
|
| "Someone stole my bike. Here's how I got it back.
|
| It was an unexpectedly warm day in the hills of Colorado, back
| in October of 1967. My father--or, rather the person who would
| eventually become my father, because he didn't yet know it--
| relaxed on the porch after finally getting to those weeds his
| mother had been pestering him to work on. My soon-to-be-mother,
| or at least the soon-to-be-bride to my father as they'd not met
| as of yet, rode _her_ bicycle along a well-worn trail just
| outside the woods of rural Vermont.
|
| Did you know that rural Vermont is where Bernie Sanders was
| born? Except that's not true because he was actually born in
| New York City some twenty five years earlier. Twenty-five,
| incidentally, being the age at which someone is eligible to
| serve in the United States Congress.
|
| [sixteen paragraphs from the Australian parliament to Kevin
| Bacon later]
|
| So, anyway, I was able to buy my bike back from the thief on
| Craigslist. I even negotiated the price down a whole $100!"
| bombcar wrote:
| You must frequent the same recipe sites I do.
| theturtletalks wrote:
| I had the same bike stolen twice and was able to find it on
| Facebook marketplace both times. The key is to file a police
| report and make sure you have the serial number of the bike.
| Without these, the police will not help. Once you find your bike,
| message the person, negotiate, set-up a meet up, and then get the
| police involved.
|
| Although we caught the guys selling the stolen bikes red-handed,
| the police couldn't do anything. The guys just claimed they
| bought it from someone else and were trying to flip it for
| higher.
| chroma wrote:
| So the police didn't do any detective work, didn't help with
| the sting operation, and they didn't punish the thief. It seems
| like it'd be more fruitful to get a few of your friends and
| solve the problem yourself. It's not like the thief is going to
| go to the cops.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| > It's not like the thief is going to go to the cops.
|
| That's a rather bold statement. A friend was sexually
| assaulted in a public bathroom, punched the person who did
| it, and then my friend had assault charges filed on him by
| that person. My friend was able to plea to non-criminal
| charges, but it certainly wasn't a pleasant experience.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| One of the hallmarks of a justice system is the presence of a
| neutral judge and a defense attorney.
|
| Mob violence is most certainly not just.
| kelnos wrote:
| Vigilantism isn't ideal, but what else is a person to do
| when law enforcement refuses to do its job? Not sure "just
| let it go" is a great answer to that.
| michael1999 wrote:
| The police already foreclosed any access to your justice
| via budget priority. Now we're discussing various flavours
| of injustice.
| chroma wrote:
| I agree with you. The legal system's job is to substitute
| for vigilantes. In this case the legal system doesn't
| provide certain services adequately, so the incentives
| favor vigilantism.
| curtisblaine wrote:
| Also the presence of an executive part of the government
| which enforces law. If that is missing, the justice system
| is broken just the same. I don't understand why often we
| find it unfair when mob justice is administered (and it is
| unfair) but we don't find unfair that the police refuses to
| administer justice.
| marcosdumay wrote:
| What, if you take the GP's comment as true, is very
| troublesome. But you didn't invalidate the GP in any way.
| [deleted]
| mrexroad wrote:
| Had same story, except at the meet up, the cops arrested the
| bike thief. It might have helped that the cop recognized both
| the thief and thief's "back up" muscle guy hanging out ~30'
| away, ordering him by name to walk away as he approached.
| CodeWriter23 wrote:
| Convenient how the police just skipped right over how receiving
| stolen property is a crime.
| rolph wrote:
| where i am they let small things slide, for a while, then
| they switch from intell mode to enforcement, and do a crime
| suppression sweep, that goes right up to the persons that
| "govern" that economy.
| theturtletalks wrote:
| It was a different person selling the bike both times. I
| think the police got their info, but if they didn't have a
| history of stealing, they let them go. If they are caught
| again, I hope the police charge them.
| nostromo wrote:
| It's not so easy -- you have to prove that they know (or
| should have known) it was stolen, which isn't easy.
|
| People like to blame the cops for everything, but the
| prosecutors are where the current breakdown in law and order
| is happening.
| abruzzi wrote:
| I was waiting for the story to end with "the police impounded my
| bike for evidence, so I still don't have my bike." Nice that it
| actually worked out for him.
| Apreche wrote:
| The cops said they don't have the time or resources to retrieve
| the stolen bike. But they also have an entire force who has
| nothing better to do than retrieve the stolen bike after the
| citizen has done their jobs for them.
|
| ACAB
| FrankieTT wrote:
| raegis wrote:
| The white supremacist ideology is strong with this one.
| FrankieTT wrote:
| more_corn wrote:
| They don't have time to investigate. They're happy to show up
| at an arrest after all the investigation work is done and the
| thief is handed to them on a silver platter. Especially given
| the alternative.
| nverno wrote:
| They seemed pretty helpful in this case. If they had said they
| were on it, it would have discouraged him from taking
| initiative- and they would probably fail 99% of the time
| retrieving a stolen bike- they often get shipped out-of-state
| in batches by pros.
| germinalphrase wrote:
| Consider the premise that the primary role of law enforcement
| is not to prevent crime, but to avoid vigilante justice. In
| that case, it is perfectly logical to ignore crimes with low
| probability of identifying the criminal and (relatively) low
| cost to the victim. If the perpetrator is exposed, it's now in
| the interest of law enforcement to step in and avoid a
| (potentially escalating) conflict between victim and
| perpetrator.
| BashiBazouk wrote:
| A long time ago I had a bicycle stolen. I had registered the bike
| with the city as "required" had filled out a police report with
| license number and serial number. Found the bike locked up in
| town on a Friday night. Flagged down a police officer and told
| him about the bicycle theft, police report and had a copy of the
| paperwork with all the relevant info. Cops reply: I can't get a
| locksmith out until Monday. Went home and got a wire cutter as
| the bike had a flimsy lock and stole it right back. Even if you
| do all the work for them, cops are useless for bicycles...
| nostromo wrote:
| This is entirely dependent on what city you live in and who you
| elect to local leadership positions.
|
| My brother's bike was stolen in college when he lived in Logan
| Utah. As a non-native he was shocked to find that the cops put
| out a description of the stolen bike immediately and it was
| spotted and returned within hours. I believe an arrest was also
| made.
|
| There's no reason we just need to accept that you can steal
| anything you like and nobody will care. This is a direct
| response to the people we're putting in power.
| TreeRingCounter wrote:
| blindstitch wrote:
| I have a similar story - I had a bike that was lost for a few
| years, then a friend recognized it in a pile of about 50 stolen
| bikes in a basement nearby. The cops were useless for other
| than getting me inside the building. Luckily the thief was too
| lazy/stupid to set the code on the lock (it was still 0-0-0),
| so I was able to just remove it and take my bike back.
| fknorangesite wrote:
| > Even if you do all the work for them, cops are useless for
| bicycles...
|
| It's not just bicycles.
| bombcar wrote:
| Anyone who thinks cops will help recover stolen items has
| never had an item stolen.
|
| If you're _really_ lucky you might get a call back someday on
| a car.
| avidiax wrote:
| From what I've heard, you usually don't want a stolen car
| back. The thieves will not be taking good care of it.
| bombcar wrote:
| Oh, sure, and sometimes you luck out (if you had
| insurance) where you get the claim payout and get to keep
| the crap car (because insurance doesn't want to bother
| with it). But that's rare.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| around 1996 I had my bike, locked up on campus at my
| University, stolen from a campus bike rack, by the campus
| police, in essentially a new-employee fuckup. My bike was in
| the database, labelled, serial number registered.
|
| So i reported it stolen, they facepalmed and said they took it
| off a campus bike rack (cutting the lock), and sold it, with
| others, at a campus auction.
|
| I found it locked up at the engineering library some time
| later, but it was beat to shit by the person who had bought it,
| whereas i'd taken care of it (it was 15ish years old when
| stolen) like something expensive that i couldn't even afford
| when grandparents bought it for me.
|
| Total goofup all around.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| So they just take bikes that arnt registered with them? That
| seems very aggressive and strange to me to begin with. I've
| never heard of trying to tax bycicles like that.
| bombcar wrote:
| University is the key. They're often trying to deal with
| absolute masses of bikes but even so this sounds like an
| overreach (and probably should have been handled via small
| claims court or similar).
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| Yep it was a mistake, and they admitted such. I thought
| of small claims but for a then old 10 speed bike no
| longer made, i figured i'd squander more time and effort
| than the cost of replacing it.
| Fatnino wrote:
| Small claims court is self serve, no lawyer needed. It's
| as simple as filling out a form and plonking down $75 or
| so. And you can add that fee to the damages so it costs
| you nothing.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| that i did not know at all!
| bombcar wrote:
| And usually it results in either the company completely
| ignoring you (you get a default judgement in your favor)
| or they just write you a check to make you go away.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| My bike was clearly registered with them. It had a clear
| sticker on it too, besides serial number. It was just a
| noob mistake, gone haywire.
| casey2 wrote:
| Why you wanted the government to live your life for you in the
| first place is beyond me.
| smm11 wrote:
| I know of someone who, during the pandemic, noticed a certain
| homeless encampment that regularly had $8K bikes lying around.
| Because a homeless person would certainly possess a six-month-old
| carbon World Cup race bike.
|
| The person went to the camp regularly for a while, with a
| baseball bat, and retrieved bikes. They had 5 in the garage at
| one point. Doing so was more hassle, though, once they were in
| possession, than just letting people with such bikes file
| insurance claims and what-not.
| dopu wrote:
| What a sad human being they must be.
| truth777 wrote:
| Found the bike thief!
| shiftpgdn wrote:
| Is this in Austin by any chance?
| denis2022 wrote:
| [deleted]
| artbristol wrote:
| My bike was stolen this year when I visited Utrecht, in the
| Netherlands. It wasn't even my bike: it was my sister's folding
| Birdy. They retail for over EUR2000 these days, but I assumed
| that thieves would be put off by the fifteen years of scratches
| and dents on it. Also by the EUR135 German lock.
|
| I locked it up next to a bike path, with lots of other bikes. I
| made sure to fold the handlebar down so it couldn't possibly
| interfere with passing cyclists. I met my Dutch friend and had
| wonderful pedalo journey around the city. Utrecht is great, you
| should visit.
|
| When I got back it was gone. There was a young woman nearby, in
| tears. Her bike was also gone. My memory's not what it used to
| be: had I, in fact, left it somewhere else? But I then found what
| remained of my lock: a cleanly sliced 5cm long section.
|
| It wasn't insured but I thought I'd report it to the police
| anyway. Always good to have up-to-date crime statistics! And it's
| unusual enough in terms of model and colour that maybe I'd get it
| back one day. The police were polite and spoke excellent English.
| However, a tourist reporting a stolen bike apparently required
| assistance from a second, and then a third, member of staff. It
| took over twenty-five minutes of wrangling with computers and
| ring binders to establish that I needed to have an in-person
| interview to report the theft. No, none of the three staff were
| able to do that now. I'd have to book one. When was the next
| available interview slot? Not until next week, after my departure
| from the city.
|
| Later that night I was morosely googling "bike crime utrecht".
| Cheering myself up with bit of confirmation bias. Despite not
| reading Dutch I was able to figure out from the local
| government's website that there is a depot to which the
| authorities remove illegally-parked bikes. Not only that, it has
| a web interface where you can search for your bike. I do wonder
| why the police didn't mention this possibility during our lengthy
| encounter.
|
| My bike was, of course, there. I sheepishly collected it, paying
| the nominal fee, and failing to dispute the "evidence" that they
| provide in their computer system (a photo of a sign prohibiting
| bike parking. I went back to the scene of the crime later; the
| sign was nowhere near, and was even on the other side of the
| road).
|
| Moral of the story: use one of the many free municipal bike parks
| when you're in the Netherlands.
| w0mbat wrote:
| This should be tagged 2017.
| dang wrote:
| Added. Thanks!
|
| (Edit: if anyone wants to volunteer to add correct years to
| titles, please email hn@ycombinator.com)
| kraquepype wrote:
| Glad this had a happy ending. I'm still torn up about my own
| bike, stolen in broad daylight. It was my fault - it wasn't
| locked up.
|
| It was an old bonded aluminum frame Trek, it squeaked when you
| bore down on it but it was upgraded and tweaked just the way I
| like it. I haven't felt the same about cycling since.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| > It was my fault - it wasn't locked up.
|
| Pretty sure it's still the thief's fault. (I dunno, maybe you
| were in Amsterdam at the time.)
| bombcar wrote:
| Yeah, it might not be _smart_ to leave a bike or car
| unlocked, but it is till the thief 's fault it got stolen.
| dahart wrote:
| > it squeaked when you bore down on it
|
| My old trek commuter just started doing that. Then I inspected
| the frame and found some cracks around where the cabling comes
| out. Went to buy a new bike and the shop said, well at least go
| check if they'll warranty it. So I did, my local shop just
| happened to have the 15 year old original receipt archived.
| They sent photos to Trek, and Trek warrantied a replacement.
| And it was a full bike replacement, even though I stripped the
| old bike. I felt very sheepish about taking a new bike after
| the very well used bike frame failed (maybe abused? I was
| touring on it, a lot, not just commuting). I told the shop I
| felt like I was cheating, and they said "take the bike and
| don't even worry, Trek makes it easy and they like doing it for
| loyalty. Plus, other people have brought back 30 year old
| bikes, so you're not even on the list of crazy stories." Wow. I
| definitely feel some loyalty to both Trek and this shop after
| this... I won't hesitate to buy another Trek from them once I
| need one.
| kraquepype wrote:
| That is great, I'm glad they honored the warranty so well for
| you. Mine was really old - an early aluminum frame, it wasn't
| welded but bonded together - but now I wonder what they would
| have done if I had asked.
| deltarholamda wrote:
| Yeah, I had my bike stolen when I was at university. It was my
| only form of transportation (other than legging it) too.
|
| (I didn't even try the police. A lot of bikes got stolen there,
| and they were not going to spend their time on this sort of
| crime.)
|
| It wasn't particularly great, just an off-brand mountain bike,
| but I loved it. I had a more intimate relationship with it than
| I've had with any car I've ever driven. There's just something
| about getting a bike set up _exactly_ the way you like it,
| where it fits you and your style of riding just perfectly.
| xrayarx wrote:
| I was just wondering, wether airtags or similar technology would
| be helpful in this kind of situation
| ndsipa_pomu wrote:
| Airtags could be detected if the thief has an iPhone and gets a
| warning that they're being tracked.
| matsemann wrote:
| There are special devices like BikeFinder[0] as well. Where I
| live it give you a reduced price on insurance. Worth it if you
| have an expensive e-bike for commuting etc that you often have
| to park outside. It has some more features than an airtag: It
| can phone home itself without being near a phone, can alert you
| the moment the bike is moved etc.
|
| [0]: https://bikefinder.com/
| e40 wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33987801
|
| Yes.
| ndsipa_pomu wrote:
| I wish bike manufacturers would start including GPS devices into
| the frames of high-end bikes. The devices would need some access
| to insert SIMs and charge them and then it should act as a
| deterrent.
| walthamstow wrote:
| My Van Moof bike has this, they even offer an additional
| service where they go and get the bike back for you
| bombcar wrote:
| Does this service involve very large men all wearing black
| and ear pieces?
| aidenn0 wrote:
| There was a post a while back from someone who did this for
| Van Moof. The majority of the time a simple "that bike was
| stolen, can you give it back" works just fine.
| subroutine wrote:
| Something like an airtag would probably work.
| Kalium wrote:
| Airtags and similar _can_ work, but there are downsides. For
| one, AirTags specifically have a series of anti-stalker
| features. That means a thief knows the bike is being tracked.
| Second, any tracker you hide on the bike can be found by a
| thief and removed.
|
| Having it integrated by the manufacturer means both avoiding
| Apple's measures and making it _much_ harder to find and
| remove. So it 's generally a preferable option when possible.
| mrWiz wrote:
| I think it would be hard to hide an airtag effectively on a
| metal-framed bike. Putting it in the frame would interfere
| with wireless communication and any other location would be
| easily discovered.
| benhurmarcel wrote:
| That's correct [1], but there are plenty of accessories to
| hide one pretty well still.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLtWN1Mp2Qc
| Kalium wrote:
| This is such a good idea that a number of high-end bike
| manufacturers agree with you and do so. VanMoof is one example,
| but they are not the only ones.
| collyw wrote:
| Cyclists can get incredibly OCD about weight, they will buy
| bolts from more expensive material to save tiny amounts of
| weight. Peron anally I always found this a bit strange as
| things like cutting your hair would likely save more weight.
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