[HN Gopher] The father of all secrets: John le Carre's daddy issues
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The father of all secrets: John le Carre's daddy issues
Author : samclemens
Score : 43 points
Date : 2022-12-10 17:15 UTC (1 days ago)
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| rainworld wrote:
| Often unjustly forgotten among le Carre adaptations:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Perfect_Spy_(TV_series)
| crabmusket wrote:
| I'm currently watching this. The score is fantastic.
| User23 wrote:
| I really enjoyed the recent adaptation of the Night Manager
| with Tom Hiddleston.
| kramerger wrote:
| As beautiful and powerful as that story was, it is still only
| my second favourite le Carre adaptation :)
|
| I liked the new thinker tailor more. It had a old school feel
| to it where they don't spoon-fed you the story and you have
| to really pay attention to not miss important clues.
|
| They don't make many movies like that any more.
| Slow_Hand wrote:
| 100%. I love this adaptation so much for this reason. The
| tone is so good.
|
| Having read the book, the big thing I feel they didn't
| really convey as strongly was the sophistication of Karla's
| "clever knot". I think that was glossed over a bit.
|
| Granted it's a pretty subtle thing to depict, even in a
| film as subtle as this.
| tptacek wrote:
| The new Tinker Tailor is legit, but tragically miscast.
| They had Toby Jones! They had Ciaren Hinds! Either would
| have been a perfect Smiley. Oldman (at that time) would
| have been a perfectly good Alleline!
|
| If you haven't watched the BBC Tinker Tailor, you're
| missing out on the canonical Smiley, though.
|
| Burton's Leamas in Spy Who Came In From The Cold is
| probably the GOAT though.
| kramerger wrote:
| I actually liked the casting, it was an unusual and
| unexpected arrangement but everyone really shined.
|
| BBC version was okay, but felt really low budget. The
| sound for example was pretty bad for a BBC production.
| tptacek wrote:
| Farty Slow Horses Oldman could have pulled off a good
| Smiley, too. But 2011 Oldman? The same year he did
| Deathly Hallows? Not a chance. Smiley _not_ being like
| 2011-era Gary Oldman is one of his most important
| character traits. Also: Toby Jones is fantastic and it
| would have been great to see more of him.
|
| It was a good movie and true in all other respects to the
| book.
| svat wrote:
| If you haven't seen it, here's Hugh Laurie telling a story of
| attending John le Carre's 70th birthday party:
| https://youtu.be/0es0XnqpXyM?t=1442
| sfuller808 wrote:
| sandinmyjoints wrote:
| Thanks, I was just looking for more le Carre adaptations today!
| Finished Smiley's People yesterday.
| tptacek wrote:
| This is a random site but I concur with it:
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| http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2021/all-9-john-le-carre-
| movies...
| tptacek wrote:
| _In an interview on the BBC in 1965, Malcolm Muggeridge--himself
| a former communist and British spy--told le Carre, in a
| provocative tone, of a friend who survived a World War II prison
| camp: "He told me the prison slang for a man who confessed was 'a
| novelist.'"_
|
| Oof!
| cafard wrote:
| Was Muggeridge in fact a former communist? He was an enthusiast
| of the Russian Revolution early on, and his parents and in-laws
| were socialists, but he was one of not many journalists who
| told the truth about the famine in the USSR in the 1930s. He
| worked for British intelligence during WW II, but hardly in
| deep cover--his Italian opposite number in his overseas posting
| (in Portuguese East Africa?) knew perfectly well who he was,
| and was apparently tempted to run him over.
| Veen wrote:
| He was pro-communist until he went to live in the USSR in the
| early 30s and saw what it was like. Thereafter, he was anti-
| communist.
| jakzurr wrote:
| And definitely worth a skim,
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carr%C3%A9
| Gatsky wrote:
| Can highly recommend _A Perfect Spy_ , one of the best books I've
| read, a bleak masterpiece.
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