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Why Did So Many US Men Quit Working? Social Status May Hold the
Key, Study Says
Author : toomuchtodo
Score : 28 points
Date : 2022-12-07 20:50 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| toomuchtodo wrote:
| https://archive.ph/Dvv0Q
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| Referenced paper:
| https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/research-department-w...
| erulabs wrote:
| Hope is everything. The ability to sell yourself a story about
| future success determines a huge portion of the human
| personality.
|
| If you stand in San Antonio, Texas, surrounded by shuttered
| shopping malls and half-built-and-now-abandoned projects, it's
| incredibly hard not to be cynical about the future. Sit in the
| cafeteria of Stripe HQ and it's incredibly hard not to be
| optimistic. No mystery why the political beliefs of both places
| match the on-the-ground reality.
|
| The greatest threat to a stable society isn't economic collapse -
| it's the collapse that follows: the collapse of a belief that
| things can get better. The exact second you don't think things
| can get better, the entire game changes, and there is no reason
| to do anything other than help tear down the system that left you
| so hopeless in the first place.
|
| It's not that we pay so little that people can't make ends meet.
| It's that life costs so much, and can be so good, that people
| can't make _dreams_ meet.
| bobkazamakis wrote:
| correct. Mass shootings, overdoses, no hope for a future for
| many able bodied man who can't get into college or the trades.
| Without any hope for a future of your own, it's a lot easier to
| see the injustice of folks who got theirs.
| solarmist wrote:
| This is very true. I like the idea of the ripple effects that
| come from someone's environment.
| verdenti wrote:
| influx wrote:
| Seems weird that you specifically mention Stripe, when they
| just laid off 1,000 people. I agree with your meta point
| though.
| newaccount2021 wrote:
| sytelus wrote:
| This article seems to be joke. Thery don't even link the
| "research" and the research itself is extremely dubious. It says
| that men are dropping out of workshop because their peers are
| getting paid more. huh??
|
| A better question to ask: How all these people refusing to work
| are paying their bills?
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| So much of social science research theses days appears to be
| little different than the cops in 'Demolition Man' trying to
| figure out the motives and next actions of bad guy Simon
| Phoenix. As to your last question, I can live comfortably on
| $2000 per month (after tax) and many can get by on far less.
| When you're not trying to woo or impress anyone, life can get
| very inexpensive for the single man with no children.
| vaidhy wrote:
| Because it does not cost a lot of money if you want to live a
| hand-to-mouth existence. It is like asking how do subsistence
| living work. You make to do with what you have, what you can
| gather and do something to earn you occasional cash.
|
| There is no long term thinking here, no optimism for future. I
| do not think this leads to a healthy society. But the point is
| that they do not have a lot of bills to pay and they do not
| care about the remaining.
| jeffbee wrote:
| TL;DR they were not being paid enough. I understand why an
| economist would write it down, but it is very much a water-is-wet
| type of conclusion.
| Beaver117 wrote:
| It's not just about money. It's about sex, power, and hope of
| building the life you dream of. People will keep lowering their
| expectations until they hit rock bottom, and then drop out.
| willcipriano wrote:
| This effect, but as observed in apes:
| https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/envious-c...
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