[HN Gopher] Why we still don't have the JFK assassination files
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       Why we still don't have the JFK assassination files
        
       Author : alexfromapex
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2022-12-06 17:31 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | yucky wrote:
       | At this point is it fair to say that the official claim that
       | Oswald acted alone is the actual conspiracy theory?
        
         | warinukraine wrote:
         | If he acted ALONE it is by definition not a conspiracy.
         | 
         | conspiracy noun 1 : the act of conspiring together 2 a : an
         | agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators
        
           | lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
           | I believe they're suggesting that Oswald did not act alone
           | and there is a cover-up conspiracy.
        
       | SQueeeeeL wrote:
       | It's kind of astonishing how much deceit the US public has to put
       | up from our own government. It puts such an astonishing lack of
       | trust and stability in the state for most people. And suddenly
       | everyone's shocked that rabid conspiracy theorists have regularly
       | started infecting "normal" politics. It's like the intelligence
       | community kept putting a band-aid over a massive infected wound,
       | and now a limb is about to fall off.
        
         | halfmatthalfcat wrote:
         | Does the US have more deceit than other governments? If not,
         | why would anyone care about how deceitful the government is if
         | that is table stakes to operate?
        
           | yucky wrote:
           | If the deceit from within the US Government isn't #1 in the
           | world, it's got to be top 3. People underestimate what it is
           | exactly that our intelligence agencies do. Accepting that
           | this is just "table stakes" is defeatist and simply not true.
        
           | unity1001 wrote:
           | > Does the US have more deceit than other governments?
           | 
           | The US establishment descends from the earlier Angloamerican
           | establishment format, which in turn descended from English
           | aristocratic establishment of medieval ages. In that format,
           | the aristocrats were intouchable by anyone other than the
           | aristocrats higher than them, they were not responsible for
           | anything they say, especially towards the commoners, and it
           | was ok to flip-flop, 'change your mind', renege on your
           | promises, lie and backstab. After all, these were your rights
           | as the local feudal lord of your domain anyway.
           | 
           | The French Revolution never having arrived in Britain, this
           | aristocracy remained unchallenged in its privileges and its
           | late Early-Modern Era culture formed on that basis, creating
           | its own nature. This nature influenced their diplomatic,
           | geopolitical dealings and alliances as well. To the extent
           | that England, later Britain, gained a notoriety as 'the
           | Perfidious Albion' for its constantly lying, flip-flopping,
           | backstabbing politics.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion
           | 
           | The US elite was influenced and affected by other
           | circumstances unlike the English elite. However the ancestral
           | format and culture remained mostly the same:
           | 
           | The American elite don't feel themselves responsible for
           | anything other than their own interests, they don't see any
           | problem with lying, 'changing their mind' and reneging on
           | their promises, or backstabbing/betraying anyone and anything
           | if their interests dictate so. They do it among themselves to
           | each other, to their own voters, to their own institutions,
           | and also in business and foreign policy. Its a cultural,
           | unbroken paradigm.
           | 
           | As a result, the American government and also the American
           | corporations act the same way due to being populated by these
           | elites. Since the same elite owns and controls the media too,
           | the media acts in the same way - it can lie about anything
           | without any qualms and zero feeling of responsibility towards
           | its readers.
           | 
           | This behavior is specific to the Angloamerican establishment.
           | And it is due to the aristocracy never having been destroyed
           | or castrated.
        
           | SQueeeeeL wrote:
           | I think it's more that it conflicts with our "fundamental
           | values". There's a massive cognitive dissonance of being
           | constantly told you're in a democracy and you're government
           | is just, and then having elaborate state secrets kept under
           | wraps for decades.
           | 
           | Usually, the things that were classified are those which
           | would make the public upset, yet they were done anyway. That
           | is fundamentally a contradiction, undemocratic institutions
           | in a democracy.
        
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