[HN Gopher] France bans internal flights in favor of trains
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France bans internal flights in favor of trains
Author : vincvinc
Score : 36 points
Date : 2022-12-03 19:56 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.euronews.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.euronews.com)
| brainchild-adam wrote:
| Does anyone know whether this also applies to the government?
| [deleted]
| zamadatix wrote:
| "A tenth of all departure flights in 2019 were by private jets,
| T&E research found"
|
| That's quite a lot more than I expected. Still I'm a bit
| disappointed there isn't more interest in going for high enough
| taxation to have it subsidize cleaner emissions elsewhere (e.g.
| about half the power in France still comes from oil and gas)
| rather than outright bans. If someone really wants to pay that
| much to get somewhere let them pay to create net reductions
| instead of focusing on how much that trip would create.
| ohgodplsno wrote:
| >about half the power in France still comes from oil and gas)
|
| What ? Unless you're talking about global consumption, at the
| time of writing this comment, 12% of our electricity production
| comes from gas (https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR), and
| despite the situation being dogshit throughout Europe, the only
| countries cleaner than us at the moment are Norway (because
| shitloads of hydro and small country), Sweden (because small
| country and shitloads of nuclear) and Slovenia (because small
| country and shitloads of hydro). On a good day (read: when half
| of our nuclear reactors aren't busy being broken), we're at 40g
| eqCO2/kWh.
| zamadatix wrote:
| I guess that's what I get for taking the front chart on
| Wikipedia at face value.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France seems to have
| some weirdly adjusted chart generated by British Petroleum of
| all sources as the main image. I'm not even sure I understand
| what the heck the "inefficiency" factor they applied is
| supposed to be based on.
|
| Thanks for the correction.
| johntb86 wrote:
| Will this reduce the popularity of long-haul flights into hubs in
| France (e.g. CDG), since it won't be possible to get connecting
| flights to other cities in France?
| ohgodplsno wrote:
| 2h30 by train is not a whole lot. All this does is ban people
| from taking a 4h long total flight (taking into account going
| to and from the airport, waiting, etc.) that basically brings
| you next door. Nobody gets connecting flights to other cities
| in France. If you're coming from a long haul, you either land
| in Orly/Roissy, Nice or Toulouse. From these places, you're
| either still far enough from your destination to take another
| flight, or you never had a connection to begin with.
|
| EDIT:
|
| Thankfully, Paris isn't the only city in France. Yes, the city
| that concentrates every infrastructure has infrastructure to go
| everywhere from it, fast.
|
| Try to go from Nice to Lyon, Toulouse to Bordeaux (which is
| juuuuust on that 2h30 limit), Nantes to Brest, etc. All of
| these cities that are still major, but just connected through a
| TER will keep having access to these flights.
|
| Truly, it's just Paris.
| guenthert wrote:
| 2h30 on the TGV _is_ a whole lot. Keep also in mind that
| train stations are typically in the center of a city unlike
| air ports (with few exceptions). You can get from CDG to
| Bordeaux in as little as 2h using the TGV.
| tuatoru wrote:
| It'll lead to perverse outcomes like people in one city in
| France flying to Germany or Spain, and then back to their
| destination in France, instead of flying directly.
| lm28469 wrote:
| No one will ever do that. It's only for trips that can be
| replaced by a train trip of less than 2.5 hours, you won't
| fly from France to Germany back to France in 2.5 hours if you
| include reaching the airport+security+plane switch
| nov21b wrote:
| Time to bump the TGV capacity. Last time I tried to buy a ticket
| for the TGV from Rennes to Bordeaux it was fully booked, which
| appears to be a common theme.
| hunglee2 wrote:
| fantastic to see this type of state intervention. People have
| choices, but those sometimes the consequences of those choices
| are too severe and choices need to be removed
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| Well, looks like people _won 't have_ a choice... but it'll be
| 'good' PR without making any difference.
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