[HN Gopher] Discord's Creator Portal
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Discord's Creator Portal
Author : paulshen
Score : 44 points
Date : 2022-12-01 19:01 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (discord.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (discord.com)
| cma wrote:
| What's their cut relative to using Patreon?
|
| Edit: "They get 90% of what they charge; Discord takes the other
| 10% as its fee." https://www.tubefilter.com/2022/06/16/discord-
| premium-member...
| Trung0246 wrote:
| It's 90/10 according to the 101 subscription post
| moneywoes wrote:
| What's Patreons?
| PaulsWallet wrote:
| 5 to 12% depending on what plan you get.
| AntonyGarand wrote:
| The interesting part is that it seems like it's a flat 10%,
| which includes the payment processing fees:
|
| > our payment for each purchase will be the price set by you,
| less ten percent (10%), unless we expressly state otherwise in
| writing to you. This ten percent will cover transaction costs
| such as payment processing fees and the cost of providing
| tools, features, and support described above.
|
| This gives them an edge for cheaper subscription over the
| alternatives, so you can sell a $1 subscription and get $0.9.
| Other similar platforms (hyper, upgrade.chat) take a fee on top
| of the payment processors, so you might get 0.30$ base fee + 3%
| from the payment processor, and an extra 3-6% from the platform
| itself.
| pfist wrote:
| This is a new resource that Discord launched alongside Server
| Subscriptions today. Here are some other relevant links.
|
| Launch Blog Post: https://discord.com/blog/server-and-creator-
| subscriptions Server Subscriptions FAQ: https://creator-
| support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/104230...
| candiddevmike wrote:
| And here come the perverse incentives to make channel discovery
| via ads or creator content feeds. Pay out 90% but keep creators
| paying for advertising is a similar model to the app stores.
| fire wrote:
| I'm betting we're going to see subscription-only Activities[0]
| here shortly
|
| 0: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-
| us/articles/4422142836759-...
| malwrar wrote:
| tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers,
| channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan
| interaction.
|
| The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon
| allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with
| creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on
| participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty
| explicit about creators governing their tone so users don't feel
| a free thing is suddenly not free, but this move does feel like
| they're just going to encourage more and more of the net to be
| blocked off behind a paywall. What if I run into financial
| trouble or simply can't afford to access certain high-value
| communities like AI/Engineering/etc ones? What if this corrupts
| the culture and makes it harder to find & create indie, fun
| communities? What does this look like if they expand it to allow
| toll meters to be attached to more and more of the Discord
| experience?
| natdempk wrote:
| I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how
| the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with
| better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most
| of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role
| and get added to some private discord channels with other
| subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all.
| This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment
| perspective for everyone and seems likely to continue. Some
| creators have Discord servers only accessible to
| subscribers/Patrons already, and there wouldn't be a change
| there. I think the reality is that nothing really changes here
| wrt. server operating structures and that a bunch of stuff just
| becomes more tightly integrated/featured on the Discord side so
| Discord can make money off it.
| matai_kolila wrote:
| My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon
| entirely.
|
| "Sub to my Discord _or_ sub to my Patreon to get exclusive
| content! " eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get
| exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.
| unity1001 wrote:
| You can connect more things to Patreon - your website,
| custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features
| from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with
| Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.
| hisnameishank wrote:
| Not really, the Discord API will probably supply some
| sort of status per user in a given discord channel.
|
| Discord is already setup for users to interact with
| server bots on a rich command palate. Bots at this point
| are just server extensions.
|
| Webhooks have been a thing for ages.
|
| Discord is arguably one of the easiest services to bind
| to from a developer's perspective.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Seems like this would be better served with just patreon and
| only fans integration. Discord could charge the creators to
| turn it on. Why would I subscribe to someone once on there
| and then again to them on discord.
| weego wrote:
| Their user overlap with Twitch is so strong that it makes sense
| to replicate the Twitch model of creator subscriber 'rev
| share'.
|
| I'm not sure it'll pan out as successfully though, but we will
| see.
| PaulsWallet wrote:
| >...this move does feel like they're just going to encourage
| more and more of the net to be blocked off behind a paywall.
|
| On a personal level I have no problem with this. It's just one
| way of moderating and curating your community. Not everyone has
| the time and resources to deal with a free for all.
| matai_kolila wrote:
| Agreed. It's hard to create quality content, and even harder
| to do it without being able to monetize that content.
|
| "The Internet should be free!" that's just not sustainable.
| I'm sorry but it isn't.
| Netisneverfree wrote:
| That's just it. The internet was never free. There has
| pretty much always been some method that people have been
| making money off of creating content for it, in some format
| or another. Whether it be basic ads, affiliate links,
| sponsorship spots, or web stores; the internet has always
| been paid for somehow in some way. And that's before we
| discuss things like ISP's providing that connection to it
| in the first place.
|
| People who think the internet is or should be free, are
| disconnected from reality. I grew up with what we called
| farmer vision, but others would know it as rabbit ear or
| aerial tv. You had 3 to maybe 5 basic channels in your area
| if you were lucky; and they were all paid for by ads...
| er... commercials. The idea was that the content was
| technically free, since you didn't really need to watch the
| commercials. (You could just go to the bathroom, make a
| snack, get a drink, etc.) But the paid advertisement was
| paying for that broadcast, and so you ultimately had to put
| up with your shows being interrupted.
|
| YouTube does nothing different, really. Yet look at all the
| flak they get for their usage of the same methodology.
|
| The internet was never free, has never been free, and never
| will be free. You will always be paying for it somehow;
| whether it be out of pocket, via attention, or your data.
| TV was no different, up to the data part; and set-top boxes
| changed that too. Once those could phone home and report
| usage, especially to thwart piracy; your data became
| another potential sales figure for even the tv stations.
|
| I personally would much rather we have an internet culture
| where we don't mind paying for the things we like, and want
| to see continue to exist. This would essentially
| democratize the internet; though it may also induce a
| segregation of the unwealthy from being able to
| participate... but those people tend to be children and the
| poor. Children don't pay for anything, their parents do.
| And if the poor or their parents don't have enough money to
| pay for 1-10$ subscriptions on a monthly basis; then they
| have much more serious things to consider. Like getting a
| job, or a better paying one. Not their usage of the
| internet.
|
| Besides, if they already are paying for a basic connection,
| they shouldn't have much trouble paying for the few things
| they enjoy to use. Alternatively, they could opt-in to be a
| data source for free access or something like that. Or see
| more ads per hour. Keep it more open for everyone.
|
| But that still goes to prove the point. The net is not
| free. Never has been, never will be. So we would be wise to
| setup a good culture around it while we still can, before
| the greediest of us start to make it terrible for everyone,
| and not just the poor.
|
| I like the concept that Brave browser uses for this reason.
| It's just too bad that with the way things are going with
| crypto right now, that it's going to get some bad rep from
| it likely. Also doesn't help that the devs behind it are...
| less than stellar. But that's another can of worms aside
| from this giant one.
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