[HN Gopher] Mapping out the tribes of climate
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Mapping out the tribes of climate
Author : rossvor
Score : 17 points
Date : 2022-11-30 19:59 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| counters wrote:
| This is an interesting read, but isn't particularly novel. Most
| of these "tribes" seem to just be re-branded from core literature
| on environmental discourse, e.g. Dryzek's "The Politics of the
| Earth" [1]. But I find the traditional branding a more useful
| framework since it's more closely related to mainstream, core
| philosophical discourses.
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| [1]: https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Earth-Environmental-
| Discours...
| AtlasBarfed wrote:
| Not a horrible framing of things, although the dominant (and
| likely best) movement is simple technologism, where emerging
| battery / ev / solar / wind / geothermal / nuclear / vertical
| farming / artificial meat / etc disrupt mass swathes of
| traditional / politically entrenched industries.
|
| That's spread across "max energy" (not really), "climate tech"
| (kind of dismissive of the results/payout).
|
| What it really shows is that almost all of the cited "tribes"
| have aspects that are needed. Regulation, incentives,
| urbanization, centralization, technology, resource use reduction,
| cultural values, even a bit of neopastoralism (home gardens,
| crafts, reuse/recycling things for other purposes) is
| significant.
|
| Doomerism is actually a very useful marketing component, because
| in the process of people discussion "prepping" and analyzing doom
| prep scenarios, people are forced to deal with problems in a more
| concrete and detailed way. It also works on an instinctual fear
| in all people, in some constructive ways. Doomer prep leads to
| off-grid products that converge with solar, battery, local food
| production and sourcing environmental tech.
| alfor wrote:
| Climate change is an arm of the modern leftist religion.
|
| I would like to see more a analysis of _all_ the problems we
| have, how they rank in urgency and rank solutions with how
| effective they are.
|
| From what I see we will rapidly transition to
| solar/wind/battery/ev way before climate become a real problem.
| tuatoru wrote:
| Rank and urgency depend on your value system.
|
| For example, hundreds of thousands die from HIV/AIDS every
| year, Likewise with the flu. Road accidents kill about 1.3
| million annually worldwide. Chronic obstructive pulmonary
| disease kills more than all of them but heart disease is the
| top killer.[1]
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| Are any of these urgent? It seems not.
|
| How about oppression of women and children? Food and water
| insecurity? They don't appear urgent either, based on the
| resources allocated to fixing them.
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| 1. 2019 figures: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-
| sheets/detail/the-top-10-...
| dkarl wrote:
| Many people who are optimistic about what technology can
| achieve are eco-globalists, because they believe that the
| technology will only be developed in response to carefully
| targeted state-enforced incentives. I think the purest form of
| "climate tech" is people who believe that the technology will
| appear regardless of policy. There's even a hard core of
| libertarian technologists who believe that fossil fuel
| technology would have naturally been superseded by a superior
| futuristic technology by now if not for government meddling on
| behalf of oil companies, though I would guess that is a very
| small and extreme minority of the "climate tech" tribe.
| ulnarkressty wrote:
| I'm curious how many people have colleagues that got a job in
| climate tech out of principle. There appear to be a good number
| of websites specifically made to advertise such positions (just
| google "climate jobs") that have sprung up this year alone.
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