[HN Gopher] Fantasy Jodorowsky Tron visualisations
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Fantasy Jodorowsky Tron visualisations
Author : bj-rn
Score : 283 points
Date : 2022-11-26 14:01 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| mdp2021 wrote:
| I was about to reply to the skepticism of a poster, who deleted
| the post in the meantime:
|
| This is a clear context in which re-doing something in the style
| of some Author can be radically inappropriate:
|
| the visual style is stunningly good, but an unintelligent
| operation - it is relatively easy to mock a style, while the real
| thing was the judgement underneath. The Author knows if and why
| he would have used a curve made in such way in that place - not
| the simple mocker.
|
| Edit:
|
| in case some wanted to advance the idea that they are contented
| with the visuals, AJ is a foremost example of visuals studied to
| serve a content. Not to mention his declared contempt against
| states of poor hallucination.
| msephton wrote:
| I think something has been lost in translation.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Jodorowsky is insane.
|
| El Topo makes it clear.
| monocasa wrote:
| I'd say that Jodorowsky posits that insanity is core to the
| human experience.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| He killed a bunch of rabbits for a scene in El Topo.
| monocasa wrote:
| He did
| kebman wrote:
| Why aren't film producers throwing money at Jodorowsky? The
| visuals and stories he'd tell would surely be mind blowing. (I
| ofc know these are AI generated images, but it still makes me
| wonder.) For instance I'm certain that it's his influence that
| made Nicolas Winding Refn make Neon Demon.
| staticautomatic wrote:
| Maybe because of what happened to Dune
| [deleted]
| Maxburn wrote:
| What happened? I was never clear on why he didn't get the nod
| for that, cast in place etc..
| andrekandre wrote:
| if you watch the documentary "jodorosky's dune" he goes
| over it, and basically boiling down to the studios "liking
| the concept" but "not getting the director" especially that
| he wanted total creative freedom and to make the movie as
| long as he saw fit, but studios wanting a smaller budget
| and 90mins etc
|
| btw, the incredible storyboards for dune are a feast if you
| can bits that are floating around
| evanelias wrote:
| > studios "liking the concept" but "not getting the
| director"
|
| It's funny to think about in context of the film
| eventually going to David Lynch. "Good thing this Lynch
| guy's a straight shooter, not a weirdo like that
| Jodorowsky fellow!" (Different producers/studios, I know,
| but still...)
| isleyaardvark wrote:
| It's worth mentioning re: the disagreement on runtime
| that Jodorosky wanted a 24 hour runtime.
| trurl wrote:
| I also seem to recall something about Salvador Dali
| wanting a flaming giraffe?
| Maxburn wrote:
| It was going to be around the twenty two hour mark
| though, you can't pull that out too early.
| coredog64 wrote:
| These days, with streaming, that's a feature not a bug.
| 14 episodes with lengths that vary between 90 and 120
| minutes and Bob's your uncle.
| pjc50 wrote:
| Having had the pleasure of listening to Chris Foss (concept
| artist for Dune) talk about it, it seems that Jodorosky and
| his circle were simply too drunk and/or high at that point
| to actually complete a movie.
| Syme wrote:
| [deleted]
| meindnoch wrote:
| Maybe because he's 93?
|
| I mean, I'm no fan of ageism, but let's be realistic...
| kergonath wrote:
| He's been groundbreaking since the 1970s or so. He's a
| difficult person to work with and he's _very_ opinionated and
| hates Hollywood, though, which probably does not help.
| kebman wrote:
| Yes, you might be onto something.
| Maxburn wrote:
| "Dune, the greatest film that was never made" looked like it
| could have been incredible. Both casting and asthetic was in
| place, with the story they had it would have taken that film in
| a different and some would say more interesting direction.
|
| Still very much a fan of how Villeneuve is handling things now
| with this established direction.
| Syme wrote:
| lloeki wrote:
| Jodorowski, Mobius, Giger in the same mix, the art is mind
| blowing
|
| https://www.iamag.co/the-art-of-jodorowskys-dune/
|
| https://dunebook.wixsite.com/dune
|
| http://www.james-
| atkinson.co.uk/blog/alejandro_jodorowsky_39...
| Maxburn wrote:
| Giger at least saw his art go somewhere, wonderful work.
| Syme wrote:
| pjc50 wrote:
| It's extremely difficult to make new "cult" cinema
| deliberately; this kind of thing (especially the psychadelia
| influences) is simply out of style, and middle-budget pictures
| are vanishing.
|
| The nearest thing you might find today .. maybe Valerian and
| the City of a Thousand Planets? Luc Besson has some of the same
| pulp influences.
|
| Maybe we just skip the middle steps and have the AI make the
| film.
| MonkeyMalarky wrote:
| It would be cool if these AI tools ushered in an era of low-
| budget cult movies that have the visual effects of big budget
| movies. Think a few college students with a green screen in
| the garage producing epic sci-fi.
| speed_spread wrote:
| It's only a matter of time before we get there. Models will
| be built for film. It's a matter of scaling the resources.
| I'd imagine the computing increase would be mostly
| proportional to the number of frames to be generated.
| kergonath wrote:
| > The nearest thing you might find today .. maybe Valerian
| and the City of a Thousand Planets? Luc Besson has some of
| the same pulp influences.
|
| Yes. Valerian is on the mainstream side of that 1980s sci-fi
| movement. One of the authors also was an artist for the Fifh
| Element. And a heavy influence on George Lucas (several Star
| Wars scenes are straight out of Valerian).
|
| > Maybe we just skip the middle steps and have the AI make
| the film.
|
| Several of these artists would have _loved_ to have AIs to
| use back in the day. Very fitting in the whole artistic
| project.
| gedy wrote:
| > Maybe we just skip the middle steps and have the AI make
| the film.
|
| I think we are nearing that in the next 10-12 years, and I
| imagine forward-thinking media corporations don't want that.
| prepend wrote:
| Have you watched any of Jodorowsky's films? He's pretty
| principled and I don't think he'd make a movie that studios
| like and would make money.
| kranke155 wrote:
| Holy Mountain made big chunks of money. Jodorowsky is the
| only alt/psychedelic filmmaker I know of who ever made money.
| That's how he got to keep making films.
| camoufleur wrote:
| After the Holy Mountain in 1973, it wasn't until 1989 he
| made another proper 'Jodorowsky' movie. Then until the
| 2010s when he was able to make two more films from
| crowdfunding. I don't think his films have made much money
| at all, compared to someone like Lynch who was able to get
| movies made for a long time.
| kranke155 wrote:
| My impression from watching the Dune documentary is he
| couldn't get money to get the movies he wanted to make.
|
| So he turned to graphic novels with Moebius, which I
| believe were successful (leading him to make a lot of
| them with a variety of artists - Manara, Jimenez).
|
| My impression from the Dune documentary is he could find
| enough funding to pay for all the pre production work
| that now is in the book, which including hiring 3-4
| artists. So I'm not sure he stop making films because he
| couldn't get the funding, since the impression is he got
| enough to pay for those guys to work for him for a while.
| kebman wrote:
| I have, and I think they're epic. That's why I think
| Jodorowsky has a big cult following that would have made it a
| financially sound idea to give him both money and creative
| freedom to make more movies.
| gernb wrote:
| Because as visually interesting as his films are they are
| barely watchable. I love how insane they are and I love the
| imagery but I've never watched one twice.
| ilkke wrote:
| My guess would be that he knows what he wants and wouldn't
| dance to their fiddle, plus his ideas and methods must seem
| super risky from a producer's perspective.
| elevaet wrote:
| This is fantastic. I want to watch the movie!
|
| What do you think are the odds that we'll see a feature length AI
| powered "Jodorowsky's Tron" film within say.. the next 20 years?
| Some shepherding by humans allowed of course.
| usrusr wrote:
| Would definitely want to watch it! That synthetic style
| (synthetic, as in "put-together" as well as in "created by
| technology") nicely picks up the expressionist high-contrast
| b/w that was so great in the original Tron's composite images
| and applies its attitude to the other visual dimensions as
| well.
|
| If Jeff Bezos were to fall in love with that look and indulge
| in another of his "it's my money and I want to see it!" film
| hobbies, I wonder if a well-funded team like that could
| actually pick up the look and make it a movie reality? Or would
| they inevitably fail to capture the magic and churn out yet
| another interchangeable cgi rumble?
| vernon99 wrote:
| I think you seriously underestimate the pace of AI innovation
| these days. My conservative guess is 5 years for a single-
| human-supervised full length movie of this sort.
| SevenNation wrote:
| There are more (non-FB) images here:
|
| https://goodinternet.substack.com/p/if-jodorowsky-directed-t...
| khazhoux wrote:
| I'll be the one to call B.S.
|
| E.g., here, I'm skeptical about the specular reflections, which
| show a blue light on the left, a yellow light on the right, and a
| (seemingly) physically-accurate transition down the middle. Plus
| the too-plausible DOF in the background.
|
| https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-...
|
| This image, with the patterns following the 3D contour of her
| head. And the glossy reflection of the lights on the tabletop.
| https://www.djfood.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Jodo-Tron-...
|
| My wager is this is possibly using some AI-generated imagery, but
| it is largely a human art project.
| lordfrito wrote:
| This is simply amazing. There were so many images there that are
| photorealistic enough that I was trying to figure out was this a
| real live action project? Or had someone simply staged the images
| as part of a larger "art project " or something...
|
| Took me by surprise that this was AI generated, although in
| hindsight it should have been obvious. For me, this is the moment
| I realized AI art had become something "useful", and the world
| isn't going to be the same.
|
| I can see where this is going... The commercial implications are
| enormous. Speeding up the concept art process for movies, etc. As
| someone here mentioned, why not make entire movies this way? Once
| they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the movie
| industry out of business.
|
| I can only imagine what my grandkids are going to be using this
| for.
| 72mena wrote:
| > Once they figure out how to animate this stuff, it puts the
| movie industry out of business.
|
| I'm also intrigued about the potential of AI-generated
| animation.
|
| However, I don't think the industry would be "out of business",
| but rather they would simply evolve into a new phase. The
| established movie industry will most likely have access to the
| most expensive and performant AI models to make short and long
| form animations, which would be time and cost prohibiting for
| hobbyists.
| lordfrito wrote:
| Agree, the movie industry won't be out of business overnight.
|
| Like IBM, the rumors of "company X" demise are greatly
| exaggerated, and this tech is far from mature. But my god at
| first I thought this was real. The clock is now ticking, fast
| forward several generations, and what are we dealing with
| here?
|
| To me this is a Napster moment. If your job is related to the
| movie making industry at all, you should be sitting up and
| taking notice. The industry is a massive/slow behemoth that
| is a ripe target for this kind of disruption. What's the
| point of building sets once these tools become
| photorealistic? Yes we're still in the Uncanny Valley, but
| that's just a matter of time to solve these kinds of problems
| (deepfakes anyone?).
|
| CGI killed the traditional animation industry. Even Disney
| shuttered it's traditional animation department. I think
| we're looking at the same kind of disruption here on the live
| action side of things. Why have a studio lot at all ?
| Equipment rental, prop rental, stunt actors, logistics, food
| service, you name it. Talk about the end of brick and mortar.
|
| My guess is it will look a lot like the music industry, which
| has essentially become all Marketing and Promotion, where the
| actual production of music has almost become an afterthought.
| The Marketing arms of the industry may be the only thing that
| survives the transition in some recognizable form.
|
| There will always be a demand for "live action", just like
| traditional animation is still being done in some niche
| corners. [1] But that's the exception, not the rule. You'll
| continue to have enthusiasts using traditional methods for
| the sake of it. But I think the clock is now ticking. It may
| be in its primitive infancy, but add time and the tech stack
| will eventually mature.
|
| Lately, more and more, I feel like I'm actually living in the
| future.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGOneMdjpw4
| tetris11 wrote:
| There won't be a sea of new young faces trying to break into
| a role anymore, or be an extra, or work on the stage crew,
| since they just won't be able to compete with the AI
| alternatives. Hollywood thrives on a human pyramid of
| desperately motivated individuals trying to get noticed and
| willing to do anything. This might shatter that base, and
| could have knock on consequences: agent-star exclusivity,
| entourages, glam mags, production crews. Celebrities will be
| the same ones we see today, the door for new talent is
| closing fast.
| lordfrito wrote:
| This. The trend has already started, tech like this will
| (eventually) accelerate the transition.
|
| People don't go to movies to see movie stars anymore. They
| go to see Marvel characters. [1]
|
| I think we're at the bookend of a transitional era for
| movies (and for many other things). Transition started with
| Napster, iPod, Netflix, etc. and ended with the
| "mainstreamization" of Marvel. Traditional movies are dead,
| what's left is something that really doesn't look anything
| like the movie industry I grew up with. Like other art
| forms (opera, theater, orchestras, etc) traditional movie
| story telling just isn't where it's at any more, the
| "masses" have moved on. The industry used to be full of
| passionate creative types. Now it's full of people working
| their butts off to get their name somewhere in the 20
| minutes of credits at the end of a film, for the prestige
| of being able to tell their friends they work in the
| industry. It's a self-sustaining business at this point,
| full of nepotism, cronyism, and people happy just to stay
| employed doing whatever it is they do (digital work,
| setting up lights, renting equipment, managing the
| logistics).
|
| I've asked my cinemaphile friends if they can name a big up
| and coming director? Who is the next Tarantino? No one has
| any real answer. At best I get JJ Abrams, who (at 56) is on
| the tail end of his career, and if anything he's a symptom
| of the problem (mom and dad worked in the business). It's a
| group of insiders churning out jobs for their kids and a
| steady stream of income. Hollywood is nothing more than a
| brand now.
|
| Whatever the "future" is, it's here. More Marvel, less
| relevance.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj8JK6c5x3M
| rdlw wrote:
| > name a big up and coming director
|
| Villeneuve! Bladerunner and Dune were both beautiful and
| highly stylized, and his work is enough to sell me on
| Cleopatra and Rama. Yes he's also in his 50s,but at least
| that means he's getting huge budgets to do what he wants
| now.
|
| Wes Anderson is a similar story, though he's been doing
| it for longer because his films don't need as big a
| budget. Most people I know would go to see "the new Wes
| Anderson" sight unseen.
|
| Although I haven't seen his earlier acclaimed work, Bong
| Joon-ho certainly does not seem to be at "the tail-end of
| his career".
|
| I think the reason these directors are all in their 50s
| is that studios aren't willing to trust younger directors
| as much, but that just means there ARE up and coming
| directors in their 20s and 30s who are making low-budget
| short/art films, who have not yet found public appeal.
|
| Expanding to TV series, Alex Hirsch is not technically a
| director but his name is a major stamp of quality
| assurance.
|
| Edit: Ari Aster is 36. Jordan Peele is 43 but just
| beginning his directing career. Roger Eggers is 39.
| Damien Chazelle is 37. I'm using age here as a metric for
| being at an early point in their career.
| lordfrito wrote:
| I have no problems with Villeneuve... he's more than
| competent, definitely interesting. But (to me anyways)
| directors like this aren't the same league as the giants
| that came before them. I'd trust him enough not to mess
| up an interesting picture, but he's not really pushing
| the envelope as much as before. I'll take another
| Tarantino or Rodriguez, and I doubt we'll see the likes
| of Kubrick, Welles, Fellini, Tartovsky, Leone, etc. ever
| again. Heck I'd settle for another Spielberg, he may be a
| bit saccharin, but he has a killer instinct for the art
| based on his mastery every single aspect of filmmaking.
|
| > I think the reason these directors are all in their 50s
| is that studios aren't willing to trust younger directors
| as much
|
| That's sort of my point... Until recently, every
| generation had it's great young directors. Seems that is
| no longer the case. Now you have to play the studio game
| before they give you a film, and by the time they do
| you're such a predictable and "safe" player that you
| can't make (or don't want to make) an edgy / important /
| risk-taking statement-making kind of film.
|
| Sort of like punk rock, it takes a young and angsty
| person to kind of chances needed to push the envelope.
| Once a director grows up, has kids and hits middle age,
| well they get a bit more boring, and it comes across in
| the toned down films they deliver. Lucas and Ridley Scott
| come to mind as two very capable directors that have
| "matured" enough to see that what matters is popular
| appeal and profitability. They start out as artists and
| end up as producers.
|
| > but that just means there ARE up and coming directors
| in their 20s and 30s who are making low-budget short/art
| films, who have not yet found public appeal.
|
| Absolutely! A24 films come to mind of course. They are
| about all that remains of the old way of making movies.
| Guys like Ari Aster come to mind. The sad part is I doubt
| we'll ever get a "mainstream" picture out of him.
| Hollywood and the masses have moved on from this kind of
| storytelling. So the "old way" of doing things has been
| relegated into some niche corner of limited commercial
| appeal.
|
| Honestly I'm not quite sure how A24 manages to stay in
| business. They take a lot of chances. Not all of their
| films are great, but even their misses are interesting.
| At the end of the day are they making enough money to
| justify the risk. Put another way, how is A24 delivering
| the kind of high quality pictures that they are, while
| studios like Band/Empire/FullMoon (which seem to be in
| the same league, risk-takers with limited commercial
| appeal) can't deliver anything beyond direct-to-video and
| MST3K quality films?
|
| Thank god for A24! Any film they produce is an automatic
| "goes on my watchlist".
|
| Lastly, Jordan Peele is another name that comes to mind.
| I'm not quite sure how he's crossed over to more
| mainstream appeal, but I'm glad it's there, his films are
| great.
|
| Anyhow my 2 cents, I understand this is all a matter of
| opinion.
| Slow_Hand wrote:
| I think perhaps your friends need to expand their circle
| of interest when it comes to film. The film industry is
| full brilliant up-and-comers with very distinct voices
| doing original works:
|
| Ari Aster, The Safdie Brothers, Robert Eggers, Daniels,
| Greta Gerwig, Rose Glass
| abledantheman wrote:
| Those are lovely images.
|
| However while there is an awful lot of 'background symmetry' AI
| seems woefully incapable of 'human figure' symmetry that, to me
| anyway, it really sticks out. Eyes not quite the same size,
| breasts pointing in markedly different directions, bone structure
| on the face markedly different to each side.
|
| To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are for
| this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a
| fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother).
|
| Anyway, thanks to whoever made this. I think there could be a
| market in 'imaginary film posters'.
|
| P.S. Did it really need the 'Disney' logo on it though?
| biztos wrote:
| > Eyes not quite the same size, breasts pointing in markedly
| different directions, bone structure on the face markedly
| different to each side.
|
| Jodorowsky would _absolutely_ cast actors with those physical
| characteristics if they could be found, so in this case I'd say
| feature not bug.
| dEnigma wrote:
| > To that end I am also amazed at how forgiving our brains are
| for this stuff (a bit like being able to listen to music over a
| fuzzy, in/out AM station without much bother).
|
| My brain was so forgiving that I didn't even really notice the
| asymmetries until I looked at the images a second time after
| reading your comment. I agree that especially in the case of
| eyes it distracts a bit. Those are generally pretty symmetrical
| (I say, with one eye that is always a bit narrower compared to
| the other ^^)
| btbuildem wrote:
| While we're generally symmetrical, the human body is full of
| wonderful irregularities -- different sized eyes or slightly
| longer/shorter limbs etc are exceedingly common.
| msephton wrote:
| The symmetry of human faces is possible, Midjourney can now do
| it easily, but the promoter didn't ask for it in this instance.
| kinard wrote:
| Glad I came to the comments, it's amazing.
| transfire wrote:
| Amazing. I'd pay to see that.
| andrekandre wrote:
| yt video of the images to some trippy music
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Yfv4kedD8
| teddyh wrote:
| Headline does not reveal that this is all AI-generated art;
| Jorodowsky never designed anything for Tron.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Before I understood it was AI, I found it odd that some of the
| women were somewhat sexualized visually. That seemed to be a
| bit disconnected from the idea that this is a machine world
| where I expect it to be emotionless, sexless.
|
| You may disagree but to me it points out the shortcomings still
| present in AI art -- a lack of the ability to make editorial
| decisions.
| krapp wrote:
| Except the machine world in Tron has never been presented as
| emotionless or sexless. The plot of Tron 2 literally involves
| a budding romance between the protagonist and a hot computer
| girl. The franchise's lack of overt sexuality is due more to
| it being a Disney property than anything, but they didn't
| hire Olivia Wilde for her acting skills.
|
| Plus, one could imagine the Jodorowsky version of Tron simply
| making different editorial decisions. It isn't as if
| fetishizing technology is unheard of - it was HR Giger's
| entire thing, and it goes back all the way to Metropolis.
|
| Obviously this wasn't the result of a _conscious_ application
| of vision, but it could very well have been.
| sdenton4 wrote:
| Jodorowsky didn't make editorial decisions either; his style
| is much more about generating as many ideas as possible and
| jamming them into the medium.
|
| Jodorowsky also sexualizes everything... Consider, for
| example, this short scene about eating a prickly pear:
| https://youtu.be/GgX3TlgZj5s
| [deleted]
| PhasmaFelis wrote:
| The first two sentences of the article make that perfectly
| clear.
| teddyh wrote:
| But not the headline, which is what I wrote.
| PhasmaFelis wrote:
| The headline doesn't mention AI art, but it doesn't really
| imply that it's actually Jodorowski's work either.
| "Jodorowski's Tron" might have, but "Fantasy Jodorowski's
| Tron visualizations" strongly implies that this is some
| other artist's idea of what a Jodorowski Tron movie from an
| alternate universe might have looked like, which is pretty
| much the case.
|
| There was nothing deceptive or clickbaity in the title, is
| what I'm saying.
| hackeraccount wrote:
| I can't tell if the people commenting are realizing that or
| not. In any case AI design ... I don't know, if I was a skeptic
| before I'm definitely curious now.
|
| It does make me think about the legal implications. This
| reminds me about the makers of the song "blurred lines" getting
| sued by the estate of Marvin Gaye. To listen to that song and
| "Got to Give It Up" by Gaye is (to my mind) acknowledge that
| they didn't exactly take the song with out credit buy they did
| (to reference the Apple v. Microsoft case) take the look and
| feel.
|
| INAL so I can't square those two cases in my mind (Gaye's
| estate won and Apple lost) but this really suggests that:
|
| A - copyright is idiotic on some level B - there's going to be
| a lot more of that type of case
| mortenjorck wrote:
| This feels like a peek at the first truly practical application
| of AI art beyond "I need a blurry illustration for my blog post".
| I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art
| director's creative process of exploring the look of a project
| quickly and iteratively, yet at high fidelity.
|
| Even with the unavoidable AI artifacts, the aesthetic of these
| images is incredibly evocative.
| open-source-ux wrote:
| _I could easily imagine this as the first step in an art
| director 's creative process_
|
| I had a similar thought. What will AI-generated images means
| for production designers in film? Will the easy availability of
| AI images redefine a whole class of design or artist roles?
| Only time will tell, but I suspect it will happen quickly.
| waltbosz wrote:
| > There seems to be a current trend in AI circles of mashing up
| film genres or visualising existent films either within different
| time periods or with different directors.
|
| Out of boredom, I fed the prompt "Fight Club" into Stable
| Diffusion, and it generated some interesting images of a human
| that looked like a mixture of Brad Pitt and Edward Norton.
|
| I've seen similar mixed up results when I type a prompt that
| includes two obscure animals, such as "an emu playing chess with
| a lemur". The AI spits out an animal that looks like a cross
| between an emu and a lemur, instead of the two separate animals
| playing chess.
|
| I want to know more about how these algorithms work, but that
| level of detail is hard for me to comprehend. I remember
| struggling in my college algorithms class to write code to do
| something relatively simple: I think the assignment was to: given
| a XY plane with a set of points, I had to find a set of lines
| that would create an intersection of polygons that contained only
| one point each.
| aliqot wrote:
| Oops! That page can't be found.
|
| It looks like nothing was found at this location.
| linux2647 wrote:
| Submitted link is broken. It's found here:
| https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...
| [deleted]
| prepend wrote:
| I can't wait until they just make the movie.
|
| I suspect that something like this is running already on scripts
| and vfx and that explains some of the really mediocre content
| from Netflix, Disney, etc (ie, "they don't make 'em like they
| used to").
| robotresearcher wrote:
| One image has a recognizable Han Solo, with classic outfit, side
| parting, but not quite Ford's face. A weird cut'n'paste from the
| conceptual-visual space.
|
| This outfit:
|
| https://www.alamy.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-1983-20th...
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| So beautiful. Why can't the real world be this way?
| VieEnCode wrote:
| Midjourney is insane: simultaneously really inspiring and
| terrifying in the quality of "imaginative" images it's
| effortlessly spitting out.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Can't help but see shades of "Metropolis". Is there perhaps an
| Art-Deco style the AI is drawing from?
|
| It caused me to wonder if Tron was a world inside a computer ...
| or our own future (and, sure, why not both).
| thanatos519 wrote:
| Indeed, I'd love to see the Fritz Lang version of TRON!
| usrusr wrote:
| Look at the flickering faces in the original Tron's composite
| screens, grainy high contrast black and white just tinted a
| little. That's a _very_ deliberate choice, and given the
| prominence of Metropolis chances aren 't small that the
| inspiration wasn't just any silent era look (granted, they
| all looked like that), but straight from Fritz Lang.
|
| Just watch a well-tinted copy of his Niebelungen, it's
| basically the Tron look just longer
| https://www.pinterest.de/pin/292593307055535367/
| IronRod wrote:
| Yes. Thanks, thanatos519 for providing the corrected link and
| thank you bj-rn for the original post. Fascinating!
| gedy wrote:
| This is my favorite "use" of AI generation. Imagining art in the
| style of artists who've passed away but in new settings and
| contexts. Unable to share right now but people like F.W. Murnau,
| Matisse, Paul Gauguin, etc
| svantana wrote:
| FWIW, Jodorowsky is still alive.
| thanatos519 wrote:
| Stunning. Definitely worth fixing the link for!
| https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...
| bj-rn wrote:
| Oh, double-pasted. Unfortunately can't edit anymore.
| sphars wrote:
| Email the mods at hn@ycombinator.com and they can fix the
| link for you
| Etheryte wrote:
| Usually flagging either the post itself or the comment
| pointing out the correct link works too and is a lot
| quicker.
| aliqot wrote:
| kadoban wrote:
| It's just not that big of a deal. How often does it
| happen? And you can just reply to yourself too to "fix"
| it. Better than the chaos of unrestricted edits.
| cjsawyer wrote:
| This trust is exactly why Reddit sucks now.
| stavros wrote:
| You mean "what link farmer would pay for a high karma
| account?", and the answer probably is "many".
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| 323 wrote:
| Big opportunity for studios.
|
| Instead of selling the 4K version of an old movie, now they can
| re-imagine it in 10 different styles.
| stavros wrote:
| And so can we!
| javajosh wrote:
| This is the most interesting aspect of all of this. It works
| for music, too: what if your audio playback device could modify
| a song in real-time to add or remove instruments, or play in a
| different style. The same could be done with a movie. This also
| has great applications for musicians looking to learn a piece.
| YouTube's ability to slow a video without modifying pitch has
| been really great for this application, too.
| echelon wrote:
| You can already do vocal replacement and create new covers of
| old songs.
|
| High quality pitch matching and vocal replacement is here [1]
| and is going to be big. You can generate Smash Mouth's "All
| Star" as every single president, celebrity, vocalist, or
| cartoon character. Or whatever you feed it.
|
| Within the next year the field will move onto changing
| instrumentals and generating novel tracks.
|
| [1] The tool I've written and will be deploying as the next
| version of FakeYou.com does this at high fidelity
| sbf501 wrote:
| I'm having trouble believing an AI did this. I mean, I know it
| did, and I trust HN to call BS. But ... it's just too perfectly
| imperfect. You can almost spot the cardboard headwear. I
| literally can't convince myself an AI did it. It's a weird
| feeling I'm experiencing.
| konfusinomicon wrote:
| it's too good and if real im very impressed. these are the best
| AI generated images ive ever seen, they fit the theme almost
| too perfectly. I want to see the prompts that made something of
| this caliber
| roywiggins wrote:
| If you look at the hands they are messed up in the way these
| tools always seem to mess hands up.
|
| (that's not to take away from the rest of it, which is pretty
| extraordinary)
| jimlikeslimes wrote:
| The art cliche "hands are hard" strikes again. Lucid dreamers
| also describe hands not looking right in dreams, using it as
| a tell that they are dreaming. I've also seen my hands look
| like these pictures when taking LSD. With merged fingers etc.
|
| Looking at my hands and counting 5 fingers is definitely
| comforting.
| darepublic wrote:
| I experimented with midjourney and while it produced some
| interesting pieces I couldn't imagine creating something like
| these tron images with it. Like I couldn't get midjourney to even
| create a proper looking chess piece for instance
| naillo wrote:
| I was about to say 'I can't tell if this is AI generated or not
| at this point' mostly as a joke based on first impressions, but
| it's actually shocking that it turns out to be.
| msephton wrote:
| Having read the responses of the guy that generated these, the
| prompt is as simple as
|
| production still from 1976 of Jodorowsky's TRON, 20 ASA 35mm
| --v 4 --ar 3:2
|
| production still in version 4 doing most of the heavy lifting,
| with the year and film propeties giving a bit more vibe, and of
| course the overarching theme of TRON in the style of
| Jodorowsky. Add some extra words to differentiate scenes, such
| as light cycle or disc or computer. Add wide aspect ratio, and
| that's it. So it's 99% Midjourney. Mind blowing.
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| baron816 wrote:
| I'm always blown away by the images Midjourney is creating:
| https://www.midjourney.com/showcase/.
|
| I think there is some skill in creating these, but the output
| can be really amazing and it's constantly getting better.
| raydiatian wrote:
| Ah. So it's a fast-takeoff then. Looking forward to being
| enslaved by the elites with AI being used as a wall to separate
| billionaires from everybody else.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| You assume we will be allowed to live.
|
| Once they have robotic armies they won't be so nice anymore.
| esrauch wrote:
| Can you explain the connection?
|
| Only huge multinational corporations can fund the production of
| movies like Dune and Tron today, and if anything it seems like
| this phase of ai art is surprisingly
| scrappy/democratic/grassroots and not hidden behind a
| billionaires lock and key.
| gedy wrote:
| This is why I'm very suspicious of any push for AI regulation
| in the guise of "safety", etc. There's just too much money
| involved to trust the motives.
| gsatic wrote:
| Man do ppl even know Jodorowsky?
|
| Cause he would definitely shit on AI generated art. He was bored
| of mindless American shit long before anyone was complaining -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw
| libraryatnight wrote:
| I don't believe that anyone who says anything about how X or Y
| as a Jodorowsky movie would have been $positiveHyperbole has
| seen anything other than the documentary about the unmade Dune
| movie.
|
| First, because his most compelling stuff is heavily surrealist
| and I've found the audience for that is niche and has very
| little overlap with what modern Sci-Fi/Fantasy fans have in
| mind. Second, because at this point whatever they have in their
| minds for what it would have been is likely an impossible
| standard for any director, much less the one that made El Topo
| or The Dance of Reality (not a slight, just pointing out this
| guy makes art pieces - not blockbusters).
| dav_Oz wrote:
| Well, who knows him really?
|
| What I'd gather about him over the decades of work, is that he
| deliberately uses provocation/expressive words for his
| art/communication.
|
| I think in the context of that little clip he was hinting at
| the ruthless commercialisation of American cinema/comics; and
| indeed since then it had well developed to today's
| _Marvelization of Hollywood_ [0], a multi-billion industry of
| its own.
|
| He is 93 now, so I think he doesn't give a shit about anything
| at this point, but I like to think that back then as a young
| artist he would have embraced/explored/experimented with AI
| generated good _shit_ to enhance /help his artistic vision. In
| the end it seems that mattered to him most.
|
| [0]https://www.paudal.com/2022/11/24/quentin-tarantino-
| marveliz...
| gsatic wrote:
| Commercialization and info overload has diluted the impact of
| ALL art to just sensory stimulation.
|
| After the oohs and aahs there is nothing else going on in
| anyones head, cause there is always something else thrown
| infront of them on their infinite streams.
|
| And while AI generated art is just another tool in a giant
| warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit? Cause
| take a look around at the impact of the best of the best.
| There is none.
| dav_Oz wrote:
| > _And while AI generated art is just another tool in a
| giant warehouse of ever expanding tools, who gives a shit?
| Cause take a look around at the impact of the best of the
| best. There is none._
|
| The quality of that "tool" in particular is imho markedly
| different as opposed to non-AI digital tools. It opens up a
| space of possibilities for "visual art" which is now
| tangentially comparable to the impact of computers (i.e.
| computations per unit time) to _the art of proofs_ in
| mathematics. One way of using its power is by calculating
| pi to the n-th place ("eye candy" in "visual art speak") or
| another to overcome the sheer amount of calculations
| necessary (technical limitations) for a viable proof.[0] If
| there is one way to prove it can inspire confidence for a
| more elegant /aesthetically pleasing/understandable proof.
|
| As for the impact, I agree, we have yet to see. Maybe I'm
| too optimistic.
|
| One [1] of my favourite music clips from now over 20 years
| ago which looks (in its sterility) entirely AI/computer
| generated but actually is modelled frame by frame in
| Lightwave 3D (by the artist Alex Rutterford).
|
| [0]https://www.quantamagazine.org/computer-helps-prove-
| long-sou...
|
| [1]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3vENli7wQ
| 2-718-281-828 wrote:
| Endless Poetry (Poesia sin Fin) was for me one of the most
| beautiful and touching movies I ever watched - yet, it certainly
| was also very tough to watch at times. Some scenes pushed the
| cringyness factor to the limit. Other scenes were so mesmerizing
| that I'm coming back to them from time to time.
| colordrops wrote:
| I'd love to see Jodorowsky's Lord of the Rings.
| msephton wrote:
| Here we go, the first and only attempt from me
| https://imgur.com/a/mNRNtxr
|
| Prompt the same format as used in Jodorowsky's TRON:
|
| production still from 1976 of Alejandro Jodorowsky's Lord of
| The Rings, 20 ASA 35mm --v 4 --ar 3:2
| colordrops wrote:
| Very nice, seems like there is room for a more grungey
| interpretation of LotR
| taf2 wrote:
| These graphics are amazing. I had to tweak the site just a little
| and the imagery is even easier to view... set the body to
| background:#000; and color:#eee; remove the float:left and set
| the main to width:100% - zoom the content 3 times and feast your
| eyes on amazing graphics.
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