[HN Gopher] Keep the Internet free and open (2012)
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Keep the Internet free and open (2012)
Author : ajr0
Score : 32 points
Date : 2022-11-25 16:27 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blog.google)
(TXT) w3m dump (blog.google)
| chaostheory wrote:
| Vint Cerf was right. The internet is dead. What we have now is
| the splinternet, where a lot of countries have giant Galapagos
| intranets.
|
| We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great
| Firewall for this
| unity1001 wrote:
| > We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The
| Great Firewall for this
|
| So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the
| Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it
| through algorithms is ok.
|
| Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control.
| All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for
| profit...
| gradstudent wrote:
| I will never understand why private companies curating their
| platforms is equated with censorship. In China (and
| elsewhere) a central government curates acceptable speech. If
| you don't comply you go to jail. In the "West" you might get
| kicked off a platform, which diminishes your reach, but
| doesn't extinguish your speech. You can always find another
| soapbox. Or start your own, as one recent ex-president
| demonstrated.
| [deleted]
| Kye wrote:
| I read chaostheory's post several times and can't find a way
| to read it that looks like they're endorsing corporate
| centralization. In fact, there's no commentary on it at all.
| andirk wrote:
| They point blame but they don't mention Western
| hypocritical censorship.
| [deleted]
| AdriaanvRossum wrote:
| O Google
| decentrality wrote:
| Vint Cerf... drinking his own cool aid. Pure propaganda.
| Centrality can never do what he said. Using a centralized system
| in a decentralized and free way is bad systems strategy. Why not
| design for what we actually want rather than try to repurpose a
| system voted-up artificially by the US Department of Defense?
|
| But we hacked ourselves. I still wonder what the world would be
| today if we had RINA from the start. Then even one word of that
| could be true:
|
| "Our protocols were designed to make the networks of the Internet
| non-proprietary and interoperable. They avoided "lock-in," and
| allowed for contributions from many sources. This openness is why
| the Internet creates so much value today. Because it is
| borderless and belongs to everyone, it has brought unprecedented
| freedoms to billions of people worldwide: the freedom to create
| and innovate, to organize and influence, to speak and be heard."
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_Internetwork_Archite...
| andirk wrote:
| Dare I bring a space cash in to the convo but what do you think
| about a "decentralized internet" like the TRON project
| https://tron.network ?
| dang wrote:
| Discussed at the time:
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| _Keep the Internet free and open_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4863009 - Dec 2012 (18
| comments)
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