[HN Gopher] Volkswagen Originalteil
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Volkswagen Originalteil
Author : CaptainZapp
Score : 93 points
Date : 2022-11-25 12:28 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| virtualritz wrote:
| Contains a typical spelling mistake you find suprisingly often in
| English text when using German words.
|
| Swapping 'ie' to 'ei'. In this case 'Weiner' (wrong, someone who
| is crying) instead of 'Wiener' (correct, a type of sausage). One
| I've seen the other day is 'Kreigsmarine' instead of
| 'Kriegsmarine'.
|
| Anyone knows why this happens?
| joostdevries wrote:
| I think Americans pronounce names like Weinstein as
| 'winesteen'. So perhaps the pronunciation of the latter
| syllable makes German origin diphthongs confusing.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| We do know how to pronounce Einstein though!
| codeflo wrote:
| I'm sure you personally do, but I've noticed that many
| English speakers pronounce it without the "sh" sound in the
| middle.
| anonu wrote:
| ie and ei is a homophone?
| pohuing wrote:
| No, listen to them on wikitionary:
| https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiener
| https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wein
| omnibrain wrote:
| Not in German. "ie" means just a long "i", "Krieg" is
| pronounced "Kreeg". "ei" ist pronounced like "ay" in "aye aye
| captain". So "Teil" is "Tayl".
| haunter wrote:
| Not in german
| alistairSH wrote:
| No, they have distinct sounds.
|
| Eisenhower (US President). Ai-suhn-hau-ur
|
| VS
|
| Riesling (grape variety). Ree-sluhng
|
| But, the sounds of individual vowels in German are different
| than English. I think the below is correct (based on the 2
| years of German I took in college 20+ years ago, so YMMV)...
|
| German short I = English short I
|
| German long I = English long E
|
| German short E = English short E
|
| German long E = a sound that English doesn't have
| [deleted]
| usrusr wrote:
| Likely because the German ie is not at all pronounced like in
| pie, but some English ei like in reimbursed aren't that far
| off.
|
| Roughly as close as the German Ei (noun) comes to the English
| ie in piej off, but not that far off. So it's kind of
| symmetric. Makes me wonder if there are any English words where
| we Germans are prone to do that flip?
| codethief wrote:
| But "ie" in English sometimes also is pronounced like
| "piece"? :) Ah, the woes of English pronunciation...
|
| https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunciation/pronunciationpoem..
| ..
| usrusr wrote:
| True, English pronunciation and trying to explain
| something, that rarely ends well
| WalterBright wrote:
| > Anyone knows why this happens?
|
| Because ie is pronounced aye in English, and eeeee in German.
|
| And ei is pronounced eeeee in English, and aye in German.
| 6581 wrote:
| > Because ie is pronounced aye in English
|
| Grief? Tier? Thief?
| WalterBright wrote:
| English spelling always has exceptions, partly because so
| many words come from foreign languages. The word "thief",
| for example, comes from an Old German word.
| thechao wrote:
| Knight: pronounced similar to the Monty Python sketch. In
| fact a lot of "weird" English orthography is just
| dialectic drift after orthographic ossification.
| st_goliath wrote:
| A German speaker would pronounce the letter 'i' as an English
| speaker would pronounce 'e'.
|
| Many German words contain an "elongated i" which is written as
| 'ie', but still sounds like 'e' in English, just a little drawn
| out and more pronounced.
|
| In contrast, English has words like 'weird' which has an 'ei'
| construct in it but a pronunciation somewhat similar to what
| 'i' would sound like in German. Funny enough, in German 'ei'
| would be read like an English speaker would pronounce the
| letter 'i'.
|
| So with the pronunciations more or less swapped, I guess, for
| an English speaker who _heard_ the pronunciation of words like
| "Wiener", the spelling of the 'i' before the 'e' might feel
| counterintuitive, and they might, intentionally or not,
| "correct" it while typing.
| pflenker wrote:
| Fun Trivia: When Volkswagen announced that their canteen would
| offer vegetarian and vegan alternatives, Germany's ex chancellor
| Schroder made the headlines with deriding this decision and
| calling the sausage the "Kraftriegel der Arbeiter" (worker's
| power bar).
| Bewelge wrote:
| Had to check this and it turns out that what you're saying is
| not quite correct:
|
| The canteen stopped serving meat altogether which meant that
| the famous "VW-Currywurst" wouldn't be available anymore.
| That's what Schroder complained about, not the availability of
| vegan alternatives. He actually praised those in the same
| sentence.
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| To be precise: One of three or four canteens on the main site
| was affected. So there still was alternative.
| ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
| Assuming 90:10 meat eaters to vegetarians, and a reduction
| of 25% of the capacity, 15% of workers who are meat eaters
| will have to eat at the vegetarian canteen.
| googlryas wrote:
| Yes, but meat eaters may choose to eat a vegetarian meal
| on any given day. 15% seems like a plausible figure -
| meat eaters choosing 1 day a week to eat a vegetarian
| meal.
| [deleted]
| pflenker wrote:
| It would still have been available in another canteen right
| next door though. Also, the canteen which did. the change was
| not exactly catering to the blue-collar workers he was
| referencing, IIRC it was an office building.
| rqtwteye wrote:
| Schroder makes every possible effort to make himself look
| stupid. He probably should have some currywurst with his buddy
| Putin.
| haunter wrote:
| They actually changed the product recently and now there is a
| smaller variant too
|
| https://e-center-knauer.edeka-shops.de/en/all-products/chill...
|
| https://e-center-knauer.edeka-shops.de/en/all-products/chill...
| jansan wrote:
| Their ketchup has part number ZDK 259 101. They had the best
| curry ketchup ever, but for some obscure reason changed the
| supplier and recipe in 2018. Now it is just a curry ketchup like
| any other. Like the McDonald's szechuan sauce this is a great
| motivation to invent a time machine.
|
| You can purchase the new one directly from Amazon if you desire:
|
| https://www.amazon.de/VOLKSWAGEN-Gew%C3%BCrz-Ketchup-Origina...
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Those sound delicious!
|
| I wish there were a way to get them, other than buying a car (I
| like VWs, but don't need one).
|
| _[UPDATE]: Maybe you can get them separate:https://e-center-
| knauer.edeka-shops.de/en/all-products/chill..._
| ilyt wrote:
| Tell your local VW dealership you hear "grumbling" in your car
| and you want them to order you 199 398 500 A to stop it.
|
| I'm sure they only heard that joke few hundred times
| Isolus wrote:
| In Germany, you can find them in many EDEKA supermarkets (the
| biggest supermarket chain in germany).
| weissbier wrote:
| I once was assigned to a project at Volkswagen and had the
| opportunity to eat at their canteen.
|
| First of all, the quality of the canteen at Volkswagen is top
| notch, every day you could a wide variety of meals, a lot of
| different vegetables and salads. The only meal that was the same
| every day was the Currywurst made with the original Volkswagen
| sausage and fries. They even sold them prepackaged at the
| canteen. With Volkswagen branding.
| biosboiii wrote:
| I don't know at which plant you worked at, but that sadly is
| not true anymore. They are still being sold pre-packaged, there
| even was a vegan sausage once, I sadly did not buy it and since
| then I have never seen it again.
| marban wrote:
| Fact of the day: Wiener are strictly called Frankfurter in Vienna
| because their inventor was a German who moved to Austria.
| csours wrote:
| Danish Pastries are called Austrian Pastries in Denmark. In
| Austria they are called Pastries.
| DocTomoe wrote:
| Ironically, Frankfurter in Germany refers to another kind of
| sausage made of beef (originally invented to circumvent jewish
| food laws against consuming pork), which has absolutely nothing
| to do with Wiener (or vienna "Frankfurter")
| Torwald wrote:
| The dominant Portuguese manufacturer Nobre has adopted the
| Austrian notation.
|
| e.g.
| https://www.emporiopt.ch/content/uploads/2021/08/salsichanob...
| haunter wrote:
| Bologna sausage is Lyoner (from Lyon) [0] in german, and
| parizer (from Paris) [1] in hungarian
|
| 0, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoner
|
| 1, https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parizer
| tcmb wrote:
| And a 'Pariser' is a condom in German.
| Archelaos wrote:
| And "Hamburger" is a person from Hamburg, where the "u" is
| pronounced <u> like in engl. "boot". (The same
| pronounciation btw. as in the German surname "Trump".)
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| Even weirder fact: at the time it was not legal to mix pork and
| beef in Germany because there were different trade licenses for
| both meet types. Supposedly mixing in beef was thus first done
| in Vienna.
| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _Volkswagen Originalteil Sausages_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19611673 - April 2019 (22
| comments)
|
| I feel like there have been other threads about this...anyone?
| acadapter wrote:
| Curry and ketchup is a surprisingly good combination.
| NeoTar wrote:
| It's very popular in Germany - the Currywurst is a German
| classic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currywurst
| berkes wrote:
| Fun curry fact: In the Netherlands and Belgium we often eat
| curry with fries. Mayo, Curry and raw onions a common topping.
| Called "speciaal" [1]. Though in other parts, they will use
| Tomatoketchup (mayo and raw onions) rather than curry.
|
| If you ever visit the netherlands, make sure you get one of
| these. Or better even: frietje oorlog (fries with war).
|
| [1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friet#Friet_speciaal
| CaptainZapp wrote:
| It's the basis for the world famous Berliner Currywurst.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currywurst
| netrus wrote:
| "Die Erfindung der Currywurst" by Uwe Timm, which claims that
| the Currywurst was actually invented in Hamburg, was required
| reading when I went to high school in Hamburg ;)
| tpmx wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_Curried_Saus
| a... - it's fiction :)
| peter_l_downs wrote:
| Car manufacturers have all sorts of fun products. Check out the
| Volvo Sound CD 9512935 featuring such hits as "sinus sweep" and
| "the final countdown"
|
| https://www.volvooempartsdirect.com/oem-parts/volvo-sound-cd...
|
| https://jalopnik.com/volvo-once-released-an-entire-album-of-...
|
| https://www.discogs.com/release/11949117-Various-Sound-CD-Vo...
| lm28469 wrote:
| Peugeot also makes all kind of kitchenware: https://fr.peugeot-
| saveurs.com
|
| And bicycles: https://cycles.peugeot.fr
| hef19898 wrote:
| Both of which are great!
| noisem4ker wrote:
| It seems to me that Jalopnik article is entirely based on a
| misunderstanding of what actually is on that CD. I get it's
| meant to put the sound system under stress in a controlled way,
| in order to _trigger_ the squeaks and rattles the customer
| laments during regular usage; it's not actually a recording of
| squeaks and rattles. "Another 100% correct hot take"? Way to
| miss the point entirely.
| WalterBright wrote:
| Boeing used to make furniture and canoes in order to keep their
| skilled wood and metal workers from being laid off during slow
| times.
| WalterBright wrote:
| When I worked at Boeing, the coffee machine had a MIL SPEC taped
| to it that properly explained the procedure in making regulation
| milspec coffee.
|
| (Mil specs are analogous to a having a standard library of
| subroutines. Engineers don't have to re-invent how to lubricate a
| bearing or tighten a bolt or cad plate a part, they just specify
| the relevant mil spec.)
| mhh__ wrote:
| There's an ISO standard for tea, too
| dhosek wrote:
| One of my first jobs included typesetting MSDSes1 from a
| database. One of the things we had an MSDS for was water.
|
| [?]
|
| 1. Material Safety Data Sheet. These are most commonly provided
| for the assorted potentially hazardous chemicals in industrial
| use.
| wolrah wrote:
| Hey now, that dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous stuff.
| Extended contact with the solid form can cause severe injury,
| and the gaseous form in significant quantities doesn't even
| need extended contact, it does its damage almost immediately.
|
| Even the relatively safe and stable liquid form can be deadly
| if drank in significant quantity or inhaled in even small
| quantities, and a person submerged in it for even a few
| minutes without special equipment is in a bad spot.
| rjmunro wrote:
| Richard Hammond visited the factory:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h24Fw23kRs
| cemoktra wrote:
| Its one of the best currywurst available in germany
| Lio wrote:
| I might try and order these from my local VW garage spares
| counter to see what they say when the description comes up on the
| computer.
|
| It's probably a standard replacement part for the fridge in a
| California campervan.
|
| It's probably used if (...wait for it...) you go _banger_ racing!
| Sorry, that joke is the wurst I could come up with.
| [deleted]
| layer8 wrote:
| If the fridge in your campervan ran out of sausages, why not?
| pryelluw wrote:
| Please write about it and share. I have a friend who works at a
| VW dealership if you need the hook up.
| RedShift1 wrote:
| It's highly unlikely they steamed the sausages at 350 degF. Much
| more likely they steamed them at 175 degC, which gives the
| sausages that little bit more zest.
| joezydeco wrote:
| I'm curious how this was done at standard atmosphere.
| HPsquared wrote:
| Not at equilibrium, sausages are cooler then the (steamy)
| air.
| joezydeco wrote:
| In an open atmosphere, steam is 212F/100C (slightly less
| for higher altitudes).
|
| The point is "steam" doesn't exist at 350F unless it's in a
| pressure cooker. It's a valid preparation technique but not
| common in German kitchens from my experience.
| HPsquared wrote:
| Steam heated by boiling water at sea level can't exceed
| 100C, but if you further heat the gaseous steam (e.g.
| against a hot metal surface of some kind) you can heat it
| further. This is called superheating. Once it's
| superheated, it behaves just like any other gas - can be
| as hot as you like (until it chemically breaks down at
| extreme temperatures).
|
| In an oven at 200C, for example, with a little bit of
| water, the water would evaporate/boil and the resulting
| steam would be heated to whatever temperature the oven is
| at. The oven would be full of superheated (dry) steam.
| It's a matter of heat transfer, if you drip only a small
| amount of water slowly into the oven, it won't cool down
| much but the atmosphere can still be entirely steam.
| oasisbob wrote:
| Steam exists at 350 degrees in the same way bread can be
| cooked at 350 degrees and come out moist.
|
| The bad assumption here is that all the water flashes off
| instantly, or that the temperature isn't referring to the
| thing you're cooking.
| Lio wrote:
| Yeah that is definitely a metric sausage. Deserves a litre of
| beer.
| rob74 wrote:
| Or half a litre. But definitely not a pint.
| bowsamic wrote:
| Currywurst is something that I find kinda meh every time I eat it
| and yet I am always craving it
| martin_a wrote:
| Where do you get yours?
|
| I've been disappointed by some Currywurt dishes, too. I think
| there are lots of factors for a good Currywurst, but when
| you've got old friends and a cold beer at one of the parties in
| your hometown together, it often is okay...
| bowsamic wrote:
| Basically everywhere. Honestly the texture of the meat is
| pretty unappealing. It's obviously always quite moist and
| squeaky, but I'm English so I'm used to a chunky sausage
| meat. I've tried everything from a proper Doner place, to a
| microwave pack, to a Jazz fair which has proper crispy skin
| and came with great curly fries, to the best reviewed one in
| Hamburg near the Reeperbahn, and some of those were really
| good, but the actual basic product of "squeaky homogenous
| German sausage" is generally just not a great thing. Yet
| somehow I always crave it, and have got it quite often.
| lm28469 wrote:
| I see it like the bigmac I get once a decade while going home
| drunk at 3am and everything else is closed. It's good when
| your body is in junkfood craving mode but I would never get
| that if I have another choice.
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| And that's in Berlin, supposedly the best place to eat these.
| It's a hot dog sausage with ketchup and curry, you can only
| go so far with that combination
| lm28469 wrote:
| A single serving probably gives you close to your daily needs
| in fat and salt with a good portion of sugar too so yeah,
| literally addictive
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