[HN Gopher] Sam Bankman-Fried's implosion took down Democrats' s...
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       Sam Bankman-Fried's implosion took down Democrats' second-biggest
       donor
        
       Author : alexfromapex
       Score  : 23 points
       Date   : 2022-11-13 20:30 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (fortune.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (fortune.com)
        
       | midislack wrote:
       | Ukraine's aid money was in FTX. Very neat circular money
       | laundering to DNC.
        
         | zen21 wrote:
         | Is there a link to evidence of this?
        
           | midislack wrote:
           | Oh yeah, for sure. Check Kim Dotcom's Twitter.
        
             | throwaway5959 wrote:
             | Kim Dotcom the Russian asset?
        
               | midislack wrote:
               | Everybody that isn't a Democrat is a Russian asset, duh.
        
             | zen21 wrote:
             | So no.
        
               | midislack wrote:
               | Actually, yes. Now do you again.
        
               | xdavidliu wrote:
               | you make the claim, you provide the evidence.
        
               | jrmg wrote:
               | Seems to be based on this?
               | 
               | https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/03/14/ukraine-
               | partners-...
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               | TL/DR you could donate crypto to Ukraine via FTX.
               | 
               | It was supposedly converted to regular currency and sent
               | to the Ukrainian national bank.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | tomjakubowski wrote:
               | And how was it funneled from Ukraine's government back to
               | political candidates in the United States?
        
               | jrmg wrote:
               | Oh, I don't think it was! I meant my post to be read as
               | 'here's the fact that's being twisted to fit this
               | narrative!'
               | 
               | I think we're intended to assume that it never reached
               | Ukraine, was embezzled by SBF, then donated to Democratic
               | campaigns.
               | 
               | And, of course, we're meant to misread 'Ukraine's Aid
               | Money' as being _all_ the money Ukraine received in aid
               | from the US government, and then go on to believe that
               | all the aid money the US was sending to Ukraine was being
               | funnled to the Democratic Party. Two more obviously
               | ridiculous leaps.
        
               | wellthatsawrap1 wrote:
               | Well let's certainly not investigate money flowing to one
               | of the most corrupt countries in Europe through one of
               | the biggest ponzi schemes we've had in years and just
               | write it off as another conspiracy theory.
        
               | dntrkv wrote:
               | Burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
               | Someone's Twitter account is not proof.
        
           | steve76 wrote:
        
       | samstave wrote:
       | The democrats should be required to be fined and return to users
       | for all those fraudulent stolen dollars ...
        
       | tomohawk wrote:
       | Will the Democrats give back the donations that came from the ill
       | gotten gains?
       | 
       | EDIT
       | 
       | I'm going to guess "make excuses and keep the money" is going to
       | be the way forward, based on the downvotes.
       | 
       | It's sad that on HN you can no longer ask a question to see what
       | points of view people might have, but instead just get a bunch of
       | downvotes based on "I don't like the point of view".
        
         | yieldcrv wrote:
         | depends on the genealogy of that specific money
         | 
         | if that specific money wasn't embezzled then nah
        
           | defterGoose wrote:
           | It's clear you're working with some funny money when you have
           | to ask whether it's fungible or not...
        
             | yieldcrv wrote:
             | a standard that applies to all major banks equally
        
         | mint2 wrote:
         | Sounds like most the money went to pacs, which are independent
         | of the candidates, so not sure how that would even work. Give
         | back money that they didn't get?
        
         | throwoutway wrote:
         | This is what I was thinking. Now these politicians are tied to
         | a corrupt/fraudulent billionaire. Would you want your name
         | attached to Madoff?
        
           | themihai wrote:
           | I don't think that makes any sense if the money was spent.
        
           | JumpCrisscross wrote:
           | > _Would you want your name attached to Madoff?_
           | 
           | Nobody is naming a wing after the guy. It's money legally
           | spent. (Unless it was paid to SBF after FTX was insolvent.)
           | In any case, gamblers haven't historically been a
           | sympathised-for victim.
        
       | tomjakubowski wrote:
       | FTX's co-CEOs together donated tens of millions of dollars to
       | both GOP and Democratic candidates in the midterms. Not exactly a
       | partisan issue.
       | 
       | https://cointelegraph.com/news/sbf-has-been-a-significant-do...
        
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         | wellthatsawrap1 wrote:
         | 92% went to democrats and SBF was planning to spend 1B to
         | install who his handlers wanted as President. So no, it is a
         | very partisan issue.
        
           | tomjakubowski wrote:
           | Try reading the very next sentence in the article.
           | 
           | > FTX co-CEO Salame favors the red side of the political
           | divide, donating $23.6 million to Republican campaigns for
           | the current cycle.
        
             | xqcgrek2 wrote:
             | Chump change compared to SBF
        
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