[HN Gopher] Zeal OS is a modernized fork of the Temple Operating...
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Zeal OS is a modernized fork of the Temple Operating System
Author : nix23
Score : 190 points
Date : 2022-11-13 09:01 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| mdp2021 wrote:
| Remembering Terry Davis, 1969-2018.
| kome wrote:
| This project made me so happy. Requiescat in pace, Terry Davis.
| St_Alfonzo wrote:
| > "It's good to be King. Wait. Maybe. I think maybe I'm just a
| bizarre little person who walks back and forth."
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41gGBVpkE
|
| His last Video. Aug. 11, 2018.
| causality0 wrote:
| I'm amazed there are Terry Davis quotes that are SFW.
| s5300 wrote:
| There are actually quite a lot. Some with real wisdom in
| them.
|
| Take a look at his original account on here and you will
| find some - but also, there are many videos in which he has
| lasting moments of lucidity. Typically when talking about
| his old hobbies and passions.
|
| Completely normal and not even slightly unhinged
| conversation - one would never know he was otherwise the
| ways he were.
| St_Alfonzo wrote:
| I know what you mean, but it was mostly because of his
| illness that he had phases where he talked only conspiracy
| theories ("The CIA ni*as glow in the dark"). He had phases
| where he talked many subject with full awareness of his own
| illness and without cursing.
|
| Here some philosophical stuff: Bird Analogy:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmltIMPMeP0 On Reality:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SJKJnZ9cg
|
| Here is a two part interview where he talks computer
| science stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXwNTw4I6Ok
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTiRWN5T0Gw
| causality0 wrote:
| The glowies I get being a symptom. I'm not sure I buy the
| idea that someone is only super racist when they're
| having an episode, though. Plenty of his rants about
| black people had nothing to do with conspiracy theories.
| I'm not denying he was brilliant.
| richbell wrote:
| > I'm not sure I buy the idea that someone is only super
| racist when they're having an episode, though.
|
| It's a fairly well-documented phenomenon that people
| suffering from things like dimensia or alzheimers will
| behave inappropriately, in ways they wouldn't have
| earlier in life.
|
| Whether they're expressing deep-seated beliefs or simply
| no longer able to filter invasive thoughts is hard to
| say. The brain is a complex system and damage caused by
| trauma or exposure to lead, for example, can also cause
| increased impulsiveness and social aggression.
|
| I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to slowly lose
| control of your mind and 'self'.
| lupire wrote:
| Schizophrenic people mimic their media environment.
| Schizophrenic people not surrounded by racism don't
| invent racist theories.
| delusional wrote:
| I guess we are talking about Terry again.
|
| Terry was my first look into how mean the internet is. Here was a
| man, wicked smart, but with some very clear issues. He was kind
| enough to share himself with all of us, producing videos and
| putting his work out there but Instead of engaging with him while
| recognizing his limitations, we mocked him. People turned up to
| prod him to say "CIA N...". They asked him the same 5 questions
| to bait him into saying something stupid. It was honestly
| horrible.
|
| Learning of Terry marked the end of my internet innocence.
| Suddenly it wasn't just fun and games, but real people with real
| lives.
| 6stringmerc wrote:
| If you think that watch was tough, go watch the documentary
| Stevie for even further exploration of the sheer out of sight
| out of mind realities that are too difficult as problems to
| bring up usually.
| rincewind wrote:
| I was asking myself: Why? Isn't this in bad taste? Isn't this
| continuing a meme long after it has turned from funny to sad?
|
| I am sure the answer is just because we can, just for fun, to
| make it more accessible. But I kind of wish there was an answer
| to that question in the README or on the site.
| Lapsa wrote:
| well... it's not quite just a meme. I've always found dude more
| inspirational than funny
| tluyben2 wrote:
| Yep, most people focused on his illness and his nsfw speak
| and postings; I always just focused on the technical. The guy
| was a tech genius.
| nix23 wrote:
| >Isn't this in bad taste? Isn't this continuing a meme long
| after it has turned from funny to sad?
|
| The OS contains genius ideas, it's not called "TempleOS" it is
| public domain, the devel workflow is the same..i think it keeps
| one of Terry's good sides alive...i would be honored.
| nazgulsenpai wrote:
| Its a fascinating bare metal OS written by one man complete
| with development tools. If anything its a testament to his
| brilliance.
| s5300 wrote:
| Hey look, another asshole (on HN) who thinks Terry & his both
| unfortunate & unavoidable life circumstances were just a sad,
| funny, meme.
|
| Here's an old comment from Terry I wish he could say to you for
| your tone & feelings towards him.
|
| >>"STFU. When you can work bigger miracles than I, you can open
| your mouth."
| farhaven wrote:
| I think Terry would be happy that people want to tinker with
| what he built even after his death. I mean, he explicitly built
| it as a sort of throw-back to the early home computer days.
| scaredginger wrote:
| Blasphemy
| rightbyte wrote:
| Ye I don't think network capability fits the design philosophy
| really.
| krapp wrote:
| The "design philosophy" behind TempleOS was schizophrenic
| delusion, there's no reason anyone else concerned about the
| value of the code, rather than "creating God's temple on
| Earth" or whatever, needs to concern themselves with those
| aspects of it.
| scaredginger wrote:
| Perhaps Temple OS shouldn't be evaluated by ordinary
| software standards. It is more or less useless as a general
| purpose operating system. It may have value in education,
| but in my opinion, it should be treated as an artwork when
| assessing its merit
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| From what I understand, Terry was trying to capture the
| magic of early personal computers, hence no virtual
| memory or process isolation. A low-stakes environment for
| hobbyists and tinkerers to play around in. Adding network
| support raises the stakes a bit.
| pessimizer wrote:
| > The "design philosophy" behind TempleOS was schizophrenic
| delusion
|
| Forking TempleOS and working on it is the fetishization of
| schizophrenic delusion, so at the least it should stay
| consistent with the schizophrenic's clearly expressed ends.
| If people want to do their own thing, they should come up
| with their own thing.
| hutzlibu wrote:
| I do not think the post you replied to, had this as the
| intention. It was a response to the clearly ironic (and
| funny) "blasphemous" comment..
| scaredginger wrote:
| Why, thank you
| [deleted]
| julienreszka wrote:
| It has networking. Sacrilege
| v3ss0n wrote:
| Is it glowing too?
| bombcar wrote:
| What's reality? I don't know. When my bird was looking at my
| computer monitor I thought, 'That bird has no idea what he's
| looking at.' And yet what does the bird do? Does he panic? No, he
| can't really panic, he just does the best he can. Is he able to
| live in a world where he's so ignorant? Well, he doesn't really
| have a choice. The bird is okay even though he doesn't understand
| the world. You're that bird looking at the monitor, and you're
| thinking to yourself, 'I can figure this out.' Maybe you have
| some bird ideas. Maybe that's the best you can do.
|
| My favorite quote from a Terry not Pratchett.
| MonitorBird wrote:
| This was such an amazing comment I had to make an account just
| to let you know and thank you
| mananaysiempre wrote:
| Also posted yesterday: "A constructive look at TempleOS (2015)"
| (3 comments), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33576385.
| CodeArtisan wrote:
| Linus Tech Tips did a video back in 2020,
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlyeDAJR7A
| jpgvm wrote:
| RIP Terry, beautiful but troubled genius.
| skissane wrote:
| Another, similar project: https://github.com/minexew/Shrine
| andai wrote:
| I wonder how much is compatible between these projects. I think
| the binaries from each should run on the other. Though some
| features probably required changes to the kernel.
| Rendello wrote:
| I worked on the history system to Shrine's shell (Lsh) in 2020.
| Development of Shrine is stalled currently so the changes never
| propagated to Shrine proper.
|
| I would call Shrine a fairly minimalist fork, in that there's a
| lot built on top of TempleOS, but the core is mostly the same.
| A more minimalist fork is TinkerOS, which is a lot closer to
| stock TempleOS but with bugfixes, modern hardware support, and
| some software packages added.
|
| ZealOS is a maximalist fork, changing the core of TempleOS
| everywhere the authors see fit. Nothing wrong with that either.
|
| The fork authors are in contact with each other and discuss
| ideas / share code occasionally.
|
| Lsh's repo: https://github.com/minexew/Lsh
|
| TinkerOS: https://github.com/tinkeros/TinkerOS
| s5300 wrote:
| isitmadeofglass wrote:
| What do you mean? He was always treated with respect and
| admiration on HN, with an understanding of his personal
| difficulties.
|
| I think your conflating the treatment he received here with how
| he was treated on Reddit.
| SquareWheel wrote:
| His work was commended, and his racist comments were
| downmodded and flagged. The responses were pretty
| proportional, all things considered.
|
| The most awkward part was when people would talk about him as
| if he weren't active in the threads.
| glowingnegro wrote:
| No, he was hellbanned. His comments were automatically
| marked dead no matter what he was saying. It was a huge
| mark of disrespect towards him, isolating him and
| belittling him like this. No doubt worsening his mental
| state. The moderators of HN have blood on their hands.
| phpnode wrote:
| The vouch button exists on this site because of Terry,
| and I think it's a pragmatic solution to the problem
| SquareWheel wrote:
| Blaming an internet moderator for driving someone to
| suicide by simply enforcing community standards is
| extremely callous. You're actually doing more damage with
| your moral judgement by trying to bring down someone
| else.
|
| Now I read many of Terry's comments without ever turning
| on showdead. Even if he were hellbanned, it would've been
| a consequence of his actions regardless of the reasons
| behind them.
|
| But maybe it's not even worth responding to somebody who
| creates a throwaway to make such statements.
| s5300 wrote:
| This is incorrect. You can very simply go find that out with
| your own time.
|
| Happy to be downvoted into the ground for my earlier
| statement.
|
| He deserved so much better.
| codetrotter wrote:
| His first account was
| https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=losethos
|
| His mental illness was not his fault. But it is also
| understandable that when someone uses the n-word, they will
| get downvoted and banned, even when it's not their fault.
| IntelMiner wrote:
| This isn't Reddit. Please don't blather on about
| "downvotes"
|
| If you would like to contribute _constructively_ to the
| discussion you 're welcome to cite comments that you feel
| HN have censored in some way
|
| EDIT: Fixed a typo
| s5300 wrote:
| You've clearly missed the point.
|
| All I'm doing is paying my respects to a hyper-
| intelligent genius who was driven to suicide partially
| because of this website.
| hutzlibu wrote:
| So you think, HN should have made an exception for him to
| allow his racist posts to be in the open?
|
| Or to hire one person for him, reviewing all comments
| from him and filtering out the worst?
|
| And assuming this is really what you think, how long till
| the next poor racist genious shows up, demanding equal
| rights?
|
| Would you be able to operate a forum like that?
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| I think the first half of your post is fine, but...
|
| > And assuming this is really what you think, how long
| till the next poor racist genious shows up, demanding
| equal rights?
|
| > Would you be able to operate a forum like that?
|
| Can you name three others? Even one? I don't think "there
| will be too many" is a remotely realistic worry.
| s5300 wrote:
| No, with response to the comment about the "downvote"
| mention - (My "You've clearly missed the point")
|
| Mentioning downvotes on HN is incredibly stupid, & if you
| comb through my past comments, you can see me calling
| people out for it.
|
| In this very specific & nuanced situation, though - I am
| using it to mock & make clear my utter contempt & hatred
| of those who did view Terry as a sad, funny meme, & were
| laughing all along the way while watching his downward
| spiral, which culminated in his suicide.
|
| Many of those, still on here & reading this thread, will
| essentially want to mock my kindness towards Terry & his
| tormented life. & calling that out is my personal fuck
| you to them.
|
| No comment regarding anything else in your response.
| Morgawr wrote:
| Every comment I remember of him on HN threads were all
| hidden, downvoted and flagged. Now, to be perfectly clear,
| most of them were completely deranged and absolutely
| unrelated (usually a lot of stuff about god and bible etc
| etc) and he clearly was not sane of mind, but saying that he
| was treated "with respect and admiration" is a huge stretch.
|
| People admired his work and acknowledged the existence of his
| project. People talked about it a lot and it was definitely
| interesting to see develop. However the _person_ himself was
| definitely not welcome on HN (and I can 't really fault that
| logic).
| threatofrain wrote:
| The net attitude of HN is one of admiration for Terry
| because he's more talented than most of us. I think the
| biggest thing that affected Terry on this site was being
| hell-banned.
| s5300 wrote:
| For most, it wasn't admiration, it was jealousy. Hateful
| jealousy.
| Beltalowda wrote:
| I don't think that banning someone who repeatedly posts
| "completely deranged and absolutely unrelated" material is
| _not_ treating them with respect. You don 't have to look
| very far before he starts calling things CIA nigger
| brainwashing, and stuff like that.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| This site was better with him on it. So what if he said a
| lot of crazy things? If you let a crazy guy offend you, I
| think that's a "you problem." He did not have the
| position or power to act on his prejudices; he wasn't
| hurting anybody in any real way. Posting here obviously
| meant something to him, since he kept coming back and
| creating new accounts. It was cruel to shut him out.
| Beltalowda wrote:
| People aware of Terry's condition might be willing to put
| up with his antics, but that's a minority. Everyone else
| just sees this crazy stuff being posted.
| Shared404 wrote:
| I'd respectfully disagree.
|
| Propagation of harmful sentiments from anyone, but
| especially someone who (rightfully) inspires admiration
| will spread those further to people who are easily
| influenced or unable to separate a technical brilliance
| from someones capabilities in the rest of their life.
|
| To be clear - Terry remains an inspiration to me, but I
| can understand the predicament of a moderator who needs
| to maintain a space.
| jonsen wrote:
| Terry Davis was the main reason I chose to permanently have
| showdead: [yes]
| wkdneidbwf wrote:
| this potentially qualifies as blasphemy so i should probably
| steer clear
| imiric wrote:
| It's great to see that Terry's legacy lives on.
|
| He was an incredibly gifted, yet equally troubled, individual,
| with some noble goals for what computing should look like. There
| are many good ideas in TempleOS we can all be inspired from, and
| I'm glad there are people working on expanding and making them
| more accessible.
| m0llusk wrote:
| Nifty, but that font rendering burns my eyes. Might it workout
| both technically and philosophically to pipe all the text output
| through LaTeX or some similar thing?
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Terry had schizophrenia and lived with his elderly parents while
| developing his OS.
|
| Then, Internet trolls targeted Terry because of his controversial
| remarks.
|
| The trolls celebrated all of his questionable actions, ruining
| his relationship with his parents who eventually kicked him out
| of the house. At that point he became homeless, living in a car.
|
| Because of his mental condition, he broke the law in several
| occasions. In his late videos he can be seen unshaved and having
| difficulties to keep personal hygiene, unlike before he became
| homeless, where he was always shaved and clean.
|
| Not so long after becoming homeless he died killed by a train and
| some believe it was suicide.
| 6stringmerc wrote:
| Probably a suicide.
|
| Nearly half of all train related deaths are suicides.
|
| Way to go Terry, thinking of yourself yet again, make the
| locomotive engineer live with turning your shitty melon into a
| popped boil.
| voidz wrote:
| Terry Davis was clearly the mad scientist we didn't know we
| needed. He brought many useful insights to OS development. Maybe
| one day the seeds he planted will grow out to become a wonderful
| tree. On days when he wasn't hampered by his medical issues some
| people remember him to be an extremely skilled teacher, patient
| with people who asked genuine questions. There was that side to
| him too.
| HeckFeck wrote:
| The fact that GitHub identifies HolyC as a proglang is
| magnificent.
| 2333583089 wrote:
| That didn't last long.
| CharlesW wrote:
| It's there for me. As I type this, ZealOS is 98.1% HolyC.
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