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       Ask HN: Anyone else struggling to get a software dev job?
        
       Recently interviewed with a medium sized company for a backend dev
       position.  They said I passed the interviews and promised an offer.
       After a month of "trying to find a customer to place me", telling
       me I'm a fantastic candidate etc. they finally decided to cancel
       the verbal offer until maybe next year.  I've recently had other
       bad experiences were they basically try to find excuses to cut me
       on interviews. It's like I'm answering the questions correctly
       minus one, so I'm disqualified.  I don't remember job searching
       being that hard even a few years ago, anybody relates?
        
       Author : ineedausername
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2022-11-12 20:17 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
       | morgante wrote:
       | The market has definitely shifted away from labor dominance
       | recently. Ask yourself if your expectation still make sense in a
       | different market reality.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | zach_garwood wrote:
       | Currently looking myself. It's rough out there. And companies
       | will never give you any useful feedback, so you're just left with
       | self-doubt.
        
         | MarkMarine wrote:
         | Giving feedback is fraught. Some people take it SUPER poorly,
         | which ruins it for the rest of us. I think it's fair to ask
         | what module of a multi-part interview was scored the lowest,
         | and maybe that would give you some direction. If it makes you
         | feel any better, I regularly see experienced people from
         | (insert any of the 4-5 top tier tech company names) that fall
         | flat on their face in a coding interview. Not practicing for 6
         | years doesn't make you better at this specific skill. At my
         | current company, we understand that and work around it in the
         | interview process, there is plenty of room to flex system
         | architecture muscles or other mastery to override a lacking
         | DS&A module.
         | 
         | Table stakes (and it sucks to say this, but it's true) is
         | you've mastered the leetcode/cracking the coding interview
         | style questions. I'm a self taught SW engineer so I had to
         | spend about a year cranking on these type of questions before I
         | was proficient. I spend a month or two reviewing before I start
         | any interview cycle.
         | 
         | Do you have any idea where your weaknesses might be?
        
           | ineedausername wrote:
           | I've been grinding LC myself for the last half a year or so,
           | it is fun but at the same time it sucks that we need to do
           | this to pass interviews.
        
           | zach_garwood wrote:
           | I suppose my weakness is that I don't apply to companies that
           | have LeetCode interviews.
           | 
           | But seriously, I honestly dont know. When I ask for feedback,
           | even during the interview, I get, at best, a "I think you're
           | doing fine" answer.
        
           | morgante wrote:
           | > Some people take it SUPER poorly, which ruins it for the
           | rest of us.
           | 
           | Yeah, unfortunately some candidates get very abusive if you
           | tell them why you've chosen not to move forward (ex. one sent
           | me numerous nasty emails for months after they were
           | rejected). I still like to give feedback to everyone, because
           | I'd rather live in a more honest and direct culture, but it's
           | very understandable why most employers don't.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | Yeah and it might be the case that the timing is pretty bad,
         | hiring freezes probably matter.
        
           | kaladin_1 wrote:
           | The hiring freeze and the bleak looking economy right...
           | 
           | Companies are not hiring as much they were when the world
           | economy was booming. And for those of us outside the US, in
           | Africa, to be precise, there's now less remote on HN
           | whoishiring. The remote jobs posted there now are mainly for
           | those domiciled in the US. I would have to look towards other
           | platforms come next month. I've always used HN to connect to
           | top companies but for a while things haven't been that good.
        
         | otikik wrote:
         | One piece of advice: Use the last 5 minutes of each interview
         | to ask questions yourself. About the company, the job, the
         | people, etc. Also ask for feedback on your interview.
        
         | morgante wrote:
         | On the flip side, most candidates never tell you why they
         | declined--they just disappear without a trace.
         | 
         | That being said, I'm committed to giving every applicant direct
         | feedback. Feel free to apply to Grit. [0]
         | https://getgrit.notion.site/Grit-Job-Board-31942eda7b0e49478...
        
       | datalopers wrote:
       | Good luck
        
         | tester756 wrote:
         | are you saying that there's a bias against Java devs?
        
           | datalopers wrote:
           | .
        
             | VirusNewbie wrote:
             | Most of FAANG uses Java, so I'm not sure where you think
             | there are more higher paying JS/Python jobs...
        
             | ineedausername wrote:
             | Java is paying preeetty good I dare add.
        
       | jrockway wrote:
       | From a small sample size in the other direction, we have
       | positions to fill and there have definitely been some candidates
       | recently that have backed out mid-process to take another offer.
       | Despite Meta and Twitter's troubles, the demand for software
       | engineers doesn't seem to be at zero.
        
       | GlickWick wrote:
       | It's really going to depend on your experience.
       | 
       | Low years of experience or a poor resume/CV? Yeah, I bet it's a
       | bit harder than usual.
       | 
       | 10+ years or a great resume/CV? You're still getting flooded,
       | although Amazon and Meta spam have stopped for a bit.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | I'm at 5+ and I'm working on making my CV more professional,
         | tbh I almost always get an interview opportunity if/when I
         | pursue a relevant job position.
        
       | rossdavidh wrote:
       | Maybe not as easy as at the peak, but still not that bad.
       | However, you can definitely have just a run of bad luck, no
       | matter what the job market is like. Maybe try companies in a
       | different industry than the ones you've been interviewing for so
       | far?
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | Yes, that could be the case. I'll keep looking, I'm not in a
         | hurry too.
        
           | jrumbut wrote:
           | This is where the prudence that led you not to be in a hurry
           | pays off.
           | 
           | I've seen decent people gave difficult searches every year
           | for the last 12, there is a randomness to this and a
           | specificity to any individual's job search.
           | 
           | But with some patience you can keep your standards reasonably
           | high and that will serve you well for years to come.
        
       | kyleyeats wrote:
       | You're probably disagreeable. I'm struggling too. Have you tried
       | agreeing with absolutely everything? That's what your competition
       | is doing.
       | 
       | Next time a company tells you about their mission statement, stop
       | them midway, eyes open in awe, and say "That's _my_ mission
       | statement. "
       | 
       | Do the same thing when they tell you about their tech stack. Or
       | anything else. I'm not kidding. The last applicant agreed with
       | everything, and you need to agree with everything harder.
       | 
       | Agreeability and disagreeability are two separate skills but the
       | tech industry sees it as a spectrum. They do not hire
       | disagreeable people.
        
         | furyofantares wrote:
         | Maybe hiring is overly biased toward agreeableness but both
         | ends of that spectrum are really bad, one end has people-
         | pleasers and yes-people who provided no feedback but give a
         | false confidence that they do, but at the other end is folks
         | who shut down every idea because they don't immediately know
         | how it can be implemented or it doesn't immediately pass their
         | existing filters.
         | 
         | I think there's a middle path and I think I'd try to apply it
         | interviews, rather than "just" daily life and work, and that's
         | to assume there's something of value where the other party is
         | coming from, and use your creative powers to try to find that
         | value. Make an attempt to understand the other party with an
         | understanding that your thought process may have to play with
         | things it reactively thinks are bad and solve within that
         | framework before either rejecting the bad thing or finding out
         | it's wrong.
         | 
         | Don't blanket accept or reject their mission statement or tech
         | stack, come with a creative curiosity about it.
        
         | mkw2000 wrote:
         | Good advice
        
           | rapind wrote:
           | Good advice? This is AMAZING advice! I can't remember the
           | last time I received such great advice. This advice is like a
           | gift from the heavens. Life changing stuff right here.
        
         | FoomFries wrote:
         | More relatable perhaps is the idea of charisma. If I'm
         | interviewing a technically skilled person who is a bull in a
         | China shop when it comes to personality, it doesn't matter what
         | they create - they're breaking the team with their oblivious
         | nature.
         | 
         | If people will actively seeking other teams because of a new
         | member's personality, it's something you can bet will be looked
         | for look for in an interview.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | This is an excellent point you made here, I'm not a people
         | pleaser and really need to think about this better.
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | That transparent obsequiousness would be a huge red flag for
         | me. I guess I'm disagreable.
        
           | mjthrowaway1 wrote:
           | You don't need to be cynical about being agreeable. You can
           | just have a positive disposition, smile when you sit down,
           | and find the positives instead of surfacing the negatives. A
           | lot of people get an ego kick feeling smarter than others
           | because they're more cynical.
        
         | bloodyplonker22 wrote:
         | This may be true, but wait until you get hired and you disagree
         | with a lot of what they do or say, internally. You will not be
         | able to let it be known and you will hate the people, your job,
         | and everything. It may be better to find another team that you
         | agree with if you don't desperately need the job.
        
         | tux wrote:
         | "They do not hire disagreeable people."
         | 
         | And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can
         | kiss a*s you won't get hired. This is wrong! If some one agrees
         | with every word you say, this should be a red light. This might
         | means the person don't have a mind of there own. Unless you
         | want to hire a robot ^_^
        
           | gw98 wrote:
           | I dunno I'm an asshole and I'm having to beat people off with
           | a stick at the moment. However in UK and there is a market
           | vacuum.
           | 
           | Anyway you don't have to kiss ass. All you have to do is have
           | a solution to problems and ability to shape ideas not just
           | cut them off. Unless it's nodejs. That can just fuck off.
           | 
           | When I hire people myself I'm looking for people who are
           | opinionated but can back that up with experience and evidence
           | and thought processes which show how the conclusion was
           | reached. I really don't want to hire passive production
           | monkeys.
        
           | popotamonga wrote:
           | It works, the following words made me rich:
           | 
           | - Great idea
           | 
           | - Makes total sense
           | 
           | - That's how I would do it
           | 
           | - I agree
           | 
           | And this is not a joke.
        
           | roflyear wrote:
           | Every time I've hired someone like this they've made awful
           | decisions. The same thing that makes them so agreeable, I
           | think, makes them awful at making decisions.
        
           | simplotek wrote:
           | >>And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you
           | can kiss a*s you won't get hired.
           | 
           | You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems
           | and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them.
           | 
           | The opposite of disagreeable is not "kissing ass". The
           | opposite of disagreeable, to start off, is not being a total
           | asshole. No one's technical prowess is impressive enough to
           | ignore the fact that they are completely insufferable. A
           | project survives extra weeks or even months, but a team does
           | not survive an eggeegious team member who makes everyone
           | around them miserable.
           | 
           | Take a long hard look at yourself before throwing blanket
           | accusations at anyone and everyone around you.
           | 
           | As the saying goes, "if someone is an asshole, they're an
           | asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"
        
             | danaris wrote:
             | "I do not hold all the exact same beliefs as you" is not at
             | all the same thing as "I am a disagreeable person."
             | 
             | "I will say yes to absolutely everything you say" is not at
             | all the same thing as "I will do a good job."
             | 
             | There are absolutely far too many workplaces where you are
             | expected to kiss ass to be hired or to progress.
             | 
             | Personally, I know that I would never feel OK working
             | there, so I don't see the point of trying to pretend I'm an
             | ass-kisser in interviews. I actually _am_ an agreeable
             | person, overall; I just want to find a place to work that
             | will be OK working with _me_ , not with some extremely
             | different false face I have to spend a huge amount of
             | energy putting on every day just to get paid there.
        
         | abeppu wrote:
         | > Do the same thing when they tell you about their tech stack.
         | Or anything else.
         | 
         | Another dimension of the "it depends" response to this is
         | seniority.
         | 
         | If you're relatively junior, or will appear relatively junior
         | based on your resume, don't express strong disagreement, but
         | rather eagerness to learn. The team wants you to be someone who
         | can contribute, and help them make progress towards their
         | current goals. You're not there to re-evaluate decisions about
         | their stack based on the glimpses get you get during the
         | interview process.
         | 
         | But if you're quite senior, the team perhaps wants you to help
         | them level up or improve. Agreeing with everything would also
         | suggest you don't have something new to contribute that helps
         | take them beyond the track they're on now. Don't disagree
         | without a good reason, and be able to explain your thinking.
         | Ask questions before you arrive at a position. Understand why
         | the fence is there before you advocate its removal. But
         | insightful, constructive "disagreement" can still be a way to
         | demonstrate the value you'll bring.
        
         | JoeMayoBot wrote:
         | I'm not sure where OP's question would lead anyone to decide
         | they were disagreeable unless you know them. I also would never
         | advise anyone to lie or mislead during an interview because the
         | people who hired them will know they've been had and that can
         | be harmful for future relationships. My best advice is to
         | always be nice, polite, and kind; and for all we know, OP might
         | be doing that already.
        
         | jansommer wrote:
         | Agreeing is pretty much always the best move in the beginning.
         | If you after careful consideration thinks something is wrong,
         | you better be ready to offer an alternative or make a
         | compelling argument for dropping it. You'll also have to have
         | earned their trust, otherwise you're just some random stranger
         | with an opinion.
        
         | zbentley wrote:
         | While I'm sure there are places where that's the winning move,
         | I think most companies are just fine hiring from the majority
         | of folks who fall somewhere on the spectrum between "agree with
         | everything as hard as possible" and "argue/complain in the
         | interview to the point that it becomes a culture-fit red flag".
         | 
         | If you're looking for technical work and are really getting
         | rejected because of something at the culture-fit level (which
         | is where "agreeableness" falls), I'd say it's less likely that
         | you're insufficiently kiss-ass/agreeable, and more likely that
         | you're being identified as "potential problem teammate"
         | material for other reasons.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | paulcole wrote:
         | This is the kind of terrible advice that many people (including
         | many programmers) think is great advice because they don't see
         | nuance in the world.
         | 
         | To get a job you don't have to agree to the nth degree with
         | everything that's said to you. You just have to be a nice more-
         | or-less qualified person who's enjoyable to be around and
         | communicate with. That's a foreign concept to many people (not
         | just programmers) so they look for some "trick" like never
         | disagreeing.
         | 
         | It's even better that this trick makes them feel better about
         | being a miserable wet blanket because they're putting one over
         | on the interviewers.
        
           | kentrado wrote:
           | Counterpoint: I interview developers regularly and my current
           | company is 100% looking for agreeable people. If you say you
           | love doing TDD and pair programming, then you are half way
           | through being hired.
           | 
           | If you mention reservations about either, that's going to
           | cost you.
        
       | mkw2000 wrote:
       | A few years ago it took me a few days to find something, this
       | time around it took me a few months. I've had a few experiences
       | similar to you where I was basically told an offer was about to
       | be sent and then it just doesn't happen, or I was rejected after
       | what I thought was a great interview. Don't let it get to you or
       | take it personal and just keep pushing.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | "trying to find a customer to place me" makes it sound like this
       | is an agency. Is that the case?
        
         | throwaway675309 wrote:
         | Yeah that line sounded very off to me as well, I'm not sure if
         | it's a communications barrier or if that's what they actually
         | said.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | No, they do both internal hiring and outsourcing.
        
           | 1123581321 wrote:
           | If they won't set up a first interview with their client
           | after one conversation, they either don't have anything or
           | they have a tenuous relationship with the client and are
           | afraid of presenting another bad candidate.
           | 
           | If you talk with them as if meeting the client is the
           | expected next step, they'll take you more seriously, too.
        
           | LtWorf wrote:
           | Well looks like they were just wasting time and there never
           | was a position.
        
       | barrenko wrote:
       | It gets worse at the end of the year (and fiscal year).
        
       | revskill wrote:
       | Should backend devs invest more on soft skills instead ? I've
       | seen bunch of folks succeed at soft skills rather than technical
       | skills and can pass the interview easily.
        
       | ergonaught wrote:
       | Struggling for almost 6 months to find work for which I have 15+
       | years experience, with all sorts of shenanigans occurring at
       | every stage, despite finding hundreds of "open" and actually
       | appropriate positions.
       | 
       | Hiring is broken; very many reasons for it; I suspect many of
       | these companies aren't actually hiring but haven't yet figured
       | out that it's uncool to waste everyone's time pretending.
        
       | cableshaft wrote:
       | > It's like I'm answering the questions correctly minus one, so
       | I'm disqualified.
       | 
       | That's been pretty almost every interview for me. The ones I get
       | further are the ones where I can answer every question right (or
       | are a bit more relaxed, which has been the exception, not the
       | norm). If I get a single question wrong (or struggle somehow) but
       | otherwise did well, I often don't get the benefit of the doubt
       | and get passed over.
       | 
       | Fastest and most obvious 'getting disqualified for giving one
       | incorrect answer' was when I was called for a technical phone
       | screen for Facebook (many years ago, probably a decade ago at
       | this point) by someone who sounded like they didn't understand
       | anything technical, just had three trivia cards provided by
       | someone on the engineering team with the question and a single
       | term answer.
       | 
       | I was told 'correct' after my first two questions, then after the
       | third question, I answered it in a general sense but without
       | using the term that was apparently printed on their card, was
       | told "Wrong, the answer is blah, thank you for your time." And I
       | got a rejection email a few days later. I was only asked those
       | three questions, nothing more.
       | 
       | I don't remember what the answer was anymore, but something like
       | "toll booth messenging" something like that, it was for an iOS
       | position, I was a lead developer of a small team and had released
       | a half dozen games and apps on the app store already, including
       | one I developed from scratch[1]. Still quite proud of a
       | platforming game called Tracklapse and wish the company was still
       | around and the game still on the store[2].
       | 
       | I don't really do iOS development much anymore, except working on
       | a Swift game for a while that I eventually abandoned (working on
       | something cross-platform now), so I don't really remember what
       | the answer was anymore. A quick google search didn't bring up
       | anything obvious.
       | 
       | [1]: https://youtu.be/uy08ohBLGhE [2]:
       | https://youtu.be/BJ3NNLnKPdQ
        
         | petercooper wrote:
         | As a huge fan of Dice Wars style games (I find Risk a bit too
         | much nowadays), I have no idea how I didn't encounter
         | Proximity. Is there still a usable version out there on any
         | platform or a similar game you'd recommend?
        
       | runnr_az wrote:
       | Maybe if you had a username...
        
       | z9znz wrote:
       | I think the real issue is that there are practically an infinite
       | set of unique circumstances (the time, the economic situation,
       | the current company atmosphere, and dozens more variables) which
       | all can impact hiring.
       | 
       | One very simple example which can result in a good candidate who
       | got far through the process hitting a wall is that a key person
       | in the company became overwhelmed with something unrelated.
       | Suddenly they don't have the bandwidth (or have left the company
       | perhaps), and the progress is now halted. That's just one little
       | common example, but there are so many more. Unless you have an
       | insider who can investigate, you just don't know. Wondering is
       | futile, especially as many of us assume it was some failure of
       | our own which caused the process to end.
       | 
       | In the last year I had several very promising applications which
       | went through multiple phases, all seemingly very positive, which
       | ended abruptly and shockingly (with a "Sorry").
       | 
       | From the other side, we have seen posts here on HN where the
       | person says, "I applied to 100 jobs and this is what happened."
       | If you take a shotgun approach, you absolutely will get
       | something. There are many problems with this approach, especially
       | if you are more senior and have opinions about things. For
       | example, there may be some industries or companies which you
       | would not work for regardless of the money. There are also some
       | companies that you know would be horrible to work for, so you
       | would skip those.
       | 
       | It is possible some of us filter out possible companies a bit too
       | heavily, building our hopes on 1-3. And 1-3 is not a big enough
       | set to reliably make it to the end.
       | 
       | My new strong feeling is that those of us with a little runway
       | (as in 1-3 months, not "rich") should just find a personal
       | passion project and build it. Then maybe the project makes money,
       | or maybe it's just a showpiece to pass some of the dumber
       | interview processes which want you to solve unrealistic CS300
       | level algorithm tests in a crappy web UI with a timer and
       | audience.
       | 
       | But I totally relate about the feeling. Just one of several
       | examples: There's a company that advertises jobs on HN at least
       | once a month. They are hiring many people for this role. I went
       | through two verbal interviews, two live coding test interviews,
       | and finally an interview with the CTO (or at least the tech guy
       | responsible for a big chunk of the devs in the company). Then I
       | got a no. Either I offended the guy (which seemed difficult to do
       | as he showed up to the interview apparently disinterested and
       | unable/unwilling to ever look at me in the camera), or I failed
       | earlier in the process and nobody stopped the show. But given how
       | simple the programming challenges were and how I was able to
       | suggest multiple solutions, I don't think it was that. So I was
       | baffled. I have more stories not so different. You just _never_
       | know wtf is going on.
        
       | lupire wrote:
       | You aren't disqualified, hiring is tight right now.
        
       | nlstitch wrote:
       | YES.
       | 
       | I am getting flooded with offerings but just for the "Stay in
       | your cubicle and write code for a boring company, but we have a
       | pingpong table so we're super fun" cringe jobs. It's like
       | recruiters have to make some dumb quota to make and just spam
       | everyone. Nobody truely cares anymore. Engineers are really
       | desired and recruiters know that, but they also kinda judge you
       | negatively for it. Like smiling at you but hating your guts at
       | the same time. (A lot of recruiters where hired during covid19 to
       | find SEs)
       | 
       | Others want to make you pass 25 different psychological and
       | programming tests that have absolutely nothing to do with the
       | actual job, and some you have a great conversation with but never
       | hear back from
       | 
       | It sucks. Big time.
        
         | tennisflyi wrote:
         | > It's like recruiters have to make some dumb quota to make and
         | just spam everyone.
         | 
         | Pretty close if not the truth.
        
       | spacemadness wrote:
       | I'm not on the market but I have noticed my recruiter email spam
       | has shrunk from multiple emails a day to maybe once a week at
       | most. Quite a turn around.
        
         | pclmulqdq wrote:
         | I went from one a day and 200+ views/month on my LinkedIn
         | profile to one every couple of weeks and ~50.
         | 
         | I did just announce that I was running a startup, though, so I
         | just assumed that the sharks will start circling in a couple of
         | months hoping I fail and need a new job.
        
         | 7speter wrote:
         | Maybe that means all the recruiters are being laid off
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | Same here. The recruiter email and LinkedIn spam has definitely
         | declined.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | I'm still getting spammed at a fair rate, but it's possible
         | that there is some general hiring freeze going on.
        
         | rjh29 wrote:
         | I get about one recruiter mail a year, I wonder what I am doing
         | wrong... (or right)
        
           | paganel wrote:
           | Age, maybe?
           | 
           | I'm a computer programmer in my early 40s and I've started
           | seeing a decrease in unsolicited LinkedIn emails once I got
           | to 35, give or take a year or two.
        
             | freedom2099 wrote:
             | 37yo here and still have to fence recruiters off
        
           | ineedausername wrote:
           | What are you an esoteric language engineer or something :).
        
             | anacrolix wrote:
             | Hello, we love your profile, you should join our high
             | energy PHP team!
        
           | vdfs wrote:
           | You shouldn't keep your emails too private.
        
       | tflinton wrote:
       | Most companies are on a soft or hard hiring freeze right now.
       | Many growth efforts are funded through debt that has recently
       | become expensive. Even if a company doesn't rely on debt for
       | growth they are probably waiting to see if macro trends point to
       | how hard of a recession we'll go through before readjusting
       | budgets. Come January most companies will reopen hiring aligned
       | to macro trends in the economy and their own fiscal makeup.
       | 
       | What'd important to know is right now is a critical point before
       | trends show how bad things may get. During this period companies
       | tend to hold their breathe.
       | 
       | Of course, usually most companies will backfill for positions so
       | you can find those even during a freeze.
        
         | firesloth wrote:
         | Without knowing too much about the original poster's particular
         | circumstances, I expect this is probably the answer. If you can
         | endure until early next year, things may improve.
        
       | ilaksh wrote:
       | I think that there is a lot of competition for high-salary
       | positions. Try lowering your salary requirements. Possibly by a
       | lot. There will be less competition for positions with less
       | competitive pay.
       | 
       | You could also consider trying to find a niche and start building
       | a product or service. Maybe for a bootstrapped startup in a
       | related business so there is a little pay, but make it clear that
       | you are building a tool to sell to everyone.
        
       | satellites wrote:
       | If you're not opposed to contracting through bigger staffing
       | firms, there is still plenty out there. But full time positions
       | do seem to have slowed down from my anecdotal perspective.
        
         | dhanna wrote:
         | I recently got a job this way. It's not ideal but since I'm
         | coming out of a bad spot mentally, it's an absolute lifesaver.
        
           | tough wrote:
           | This would help, what should I look for?
        
       | kaladin_1 wrote:
       | Yeah, totally relate! 5+years here too!
       | 
       | They always oh you are good but we found someone with more number
       | of years and whatever... I still thank God the industry is such
       | that you never feel desperate. Partly, because you always have
       | part-time gigs coming through and also you're well compensated.
       | 
       | Wishing you good luck man! You're not alone.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | Yeap it's true there's always cake on the table :) good luck to
         | you too.
        
           | bitwize wrote:
           | But as Milton Waddams said, "the ratio of people to cake is
           | too great".
        
       | tootie wrote:
       | Was this a consulting company? That means they hired you a role
       | that wasn't actually funded. They're not usually so transparent
       | about it. Basically they interview to fill roles for projects
       | that aren't sold yet. If they are sold, they need to staff up
       | fast so they can't wait. If the sale falls through they leave
       | candidates dangling.
        
         | ineedausername wrote:
         | Not a consultancy.
         | 
         | It was peculiar. I had to fill internal CV on their system too,
         | with more details than the original.
         | 
         | First they decided to hire me for a customer instead of
         | internally saying the customer needs 2 weeks to answer, then
         | getting rejected because "something changed" and customer is
         | looking for Senior+ (wtf??).
         | 
         | Same thing with other customers until finally nothing left, and
         | we love you please let us know if we should contact you next
         | year for further offer, as it takes too long.
        
       | jongjong wrote:
       | I was struggling to find a job with big corporations and also
       | with startups backed by big VCs (the trendy ones with a lot of
       | big corporate clients) but I had no problem finding jobs with
       | independent bootstrapped startups (quite the opposite; I had to
       | turn down offers and they were outbidding each other)... Weird.
       | 
       | If you're going through interviews which are going perfectly and
       | companies are backing out at the final stage with weird excuses
       | which don't make sense, you could be in the same situation as me.
       | I'd recommend to NOT apply for any big corporation or VC-backed
       | startup; only apply for bootstrapped startups; you will save
       | yourself a lot of time. Some of these bootstrapped startups are
       | very successful/profitable and growing quickly.
       | 
       | I had a lot of weird stuff happening to me. One big name company
       | I was interviewing with (and perfectly matched for) seemed very
       | interested to recruit me; they told me they had several different
       | possible roles open for me and already hinted to a high salary...
       | Then after the final interview (which seemed to have gone very
       | well), I got an email saying "The role has been filled." -
       | Whatever happened to all the other roles they said I would be
       | suitable for? I had wasted hours on a challenging tech test
       | (which I aced) and did 3 interviews - I thought the final
       | interview was meant to be a formalty. Sometimes I think that
       | maybe I've been blacklisted by big tech.
        
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