[HN Gopher] Is algae the new kale?
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Is algae the new kale?
Author : Brajeshwar
Score : 96 points
Date : 2022-11-11 16:13 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| endo_bunker wrote:
| I've considered eating algae as an alternative source of DHA with
| less risk of microplastic contamination, but I've had a hard time
| finding definitive evidence of what types of algae contain
| significant levels of DHA.
| dinosaurdynasty wrote:
| Algal supplements might be the easiest way of doing that.
| (That's what I currently do.)
|
| And from what I understand it's mostly micro-algae with
| EPA/DHA.
| flareback wrote:
| I've seen this movie, I don't want that life
| flavius29663 wrote:
| you know, some people were really squeamish about eating
| aquatic roaches, and they were reserved for penal
| colonies...but over time the public at large started to love
| them, they also gave them better names, like "crabs" and
| "lobsters".
| [deleted]
| hunterb123 wrote:
| anyone can eat algae if they want to, most don't want to.
|
| some people do want to eat crab and lobsters, some don't.
|
| it's not a naming issue or a perception issue, it's a choice
| issue.
| flavius29663 wrote:
| I don't think anyone is saying to not eat what you want
| anymore, it's about having another option.
| hunterb123 wrote:
| The entire piece is about guilt tripping the reader into
| eating algae under the threat of climate change.
|
| The title is called "Is it time to start eating algae?"
| even...
|
| The answer to the title is no, unless you want to, which
| you can already.
|
| If it was about another option it would be a recipe
| article, not a climate change article.
| BlueTemplar wrote:
| "[...]
|
| The earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the
| last man who maketh everything small. His species is
| ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth
| longest.
|
| "We have discovered happiness"--say the last men, and blink
| thereby.
|
| They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they
| need warmth. One still loveth one's neighbour and rubbeth
| against him; for one needeth warmth.
|
| Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they
| walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or
| men!
|
| A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And
| much poison at last for a pleasant death.
|
| One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful
| lest the pastime should hurt one.
|
| One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome.
| Who still wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are
| too burdensome.
|
| No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every
| one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily
| into the madhouse.
|
| "Formerly all the world was insane,"--say the subtlest of them,
| and blink thereby.
|
| [...]"
|
| (Not sure that blowing up the biosphere, literally so when
| considering geological timescales, is a better alternative...)
| squidlogic wrote:
| For anyone curious, this excerpt is by Nietschze in Thus
| spake Zarathustra.
| [deleted]
| xjwm wrote:
| Tuesday is Soylent Green day.
| imwillofficial wrote:
| No, it's not time. Jesus.
| c7b wrote:
| I love the seaweed that you sometimes get in restaurants (rarely
| where I live, unfortunately). But the article makes me a bit
| skeptical, it doesn't mention any downsides at all, it sounds
| more like a marketing piece than a balanced assessment.
|
| I don't even know what questions I'd have to ask, off the top of
| my head I'd like to know what the risks regarding eg mercury and
| microplastics contamination are. Also, would we be eating 'wild'
| algae, or would they be farmed? I guess it'd have quite different
| implications both ecologically as well as nutrient-wise.
| basch wrote:
| seaweed salad?
|
| this stuff was awesome https://www.delish.com/food-
| news/a33596417/costco-seaweed-sa...
| photochemsyn wrote:
| Origin of supply seems fairly important to keep track of:
|
| https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21732-z
|
| > "Distribution of metals and metalloids in dried seaweeds and
| health risk to population in southeastern China (2018)
|
| Most sources report levels low enough to not cause health
| risks, but eating large quantities ( > 5g day ) is probably not
| the best idea, and it should be tested for lead, mercury and
| cadmium (industrial waste sources). Arsenic and iodine are also
| naturally accumulated in seaweeds, particularly iodine, which
| while a necessary trace element, can be dangerous in high
| concentrations.
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| is 5g a large quantity? I must be missing significant
| context.
| swader999 wrote:
| Better than crickets, but I'll stick to beef thanks.
| pmontra wrote:
| I also have beef and also vegetables and fruit. Plenty of space
| on my table for all of them.
|
| About algae, there are a lot of different vegetables of all
| shapes, consistency and colors. The only difference is that in
| nature algae grow under water instead of under the rain.
| Considering how many of our vegetables are farmed without even
| seeing the rain once in their life, that's a non problem.
| [deleted]
| presidentender wrote:
| It may be practical to feed that beef algae instead of corn.
| trimbo wrote:
| Related:
|
| Feeding Cattle Seaweed Reduces Their Greenhouse Gas Emissions
| 82 Percent
|
| https://caes.ucdavis.edu/news/feeding-cattle-seaweed-
| reduces...
| ck45 wrote:
| It's supposed to reduce cow farts. See e.g.
| https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/24/seaweed-to-cow-
| fee...
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| Don't feed cows corn, feed cows grass.
| nemo44x wrote:
| Depends what you want to do with the meat. Corn fed beef is
| superior for certain applications like BBQ.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| Corn-fed beef is bland and greasy. Next you'll be telling
| me that Aberdeen-Angus beef is good...
| wrycoder wrote:
| It's a matter of taste. I find much grass-fed beef to be
| dry and tough.
|
| Speaking as someone who has actually raised grass-fed
| beef.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| What breeds did you have?
| wrycoder wrote:
| First time was a Beefalo crossed on a Jersey cow. Second
| time was a White-faced Hereford crossed on the same cow.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| Not come across Beefalo, maybe not something we have over
| here.
|
| Hereford are good but they're a proper "good old-
| fashioned roast beef Sunday dinner" breed.
|
| We mostly had Charolais crosses, and Luing cattle which
| you don't really see outside Scotland. They're smallish
| but the meat is amazing.
| nemo44x wrote:
| I mean, every top ranked bbq joint in Texas uses it. Sone
| of the better BBQ restaurants in the UK import it.
|
| Aaron Franklin has gone on about why and it's because of
| the long cook times. BBQ is smoked and seasoned so I'm
| not sure the bland opinion matters.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| I've wondered if the move to get rid of livestock to reduce
| wasteful resource consumption can just be focused on getting
| rid of beef. Poultry cultivation is far less water intensive
| than raising cattle. If everyone just ate chicken and pork that
| would be a significant improvement.
|
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-...
| maxbond wrote:
| I've had the pleasure of having freshly harvested spirulina. It
| was buttery and wonderful and rich, eating a few grams felt like
| a big slice of chocolate cake.
|
| Eating algae is not a compromise or a burden, it's a fabulous
| luxury we should all experience.
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| Cody'sLab has a few videos about growing his own algae for
| consumption which are pretty interesting:
|
| https://youtu.be/64cEmjtwRgw
|
| Personally, I'm not opposed to this kind of food but integrating
| it into your existing diet can be challenging.
| nkingsy wrote:
| Spirulina Is much happier warm. Harvesting is kind of boring.
| Got a 5 gallon bucket topper with a fine mesh strainer for
| engine oil. Scoop out a bunch, flush repeatedly with fresh
| water, you get a green gelatinous cake that doesn't taste like
| much (tofuish?)
|
| No one liked it. It would do in a pinch.
| Victerius wrote:
| Only if the rich do it first.
|
| I won't eat bugs, lab grown meat, algae, or any other
| experimental food until the rich do it first, and do it
| consistently, not just once as a demonstration.
|
| My logic is simple. If the rich don't embrace an innovation, it
| tells me that the innovation is either not what it's cracked up
| to be, that it gives a poorer quality product than the
| traditional option, or that the rich think the innovation is for
| suckers or the poor. If that's the case, I'll stick with the
| traditional option.
| incone123 wrote:
| I want to agree with you, but some rich people will try (or
| promote) any fad. I'm thinking of Gwyneth Paltrow.
| somebody78978 wrote:
| Algae isn't an experimental food; plenty of rich people eat
| sushi, for example.
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| Isn't that seaweed? I'm confused.
| [deleted]
| seszett wrote:
| "Seaweed" is a rather ill-defined term in English that
| regroups a lot of different algae. Nori is made from red
| algae, that are included under the term seaweed.
| goatcode wrote:
| If plenty of people are already doing it, why is the article
| titled with the question of whether we should start doing it?
|
| It's because the article is talking about making it more of a
| primary source of nutrition. It isn't even the primary
| ingredient in sushi.
|
| So, if the rich (and politicians) start eating it as a
| primary source of nutrition, then the commenter to whom you
| were replying might consider it similarly.
| seszett wrote:
| I'm probably rich at least on a global scale, and I have always
| eaten algae because it's part of several regions' cuisine,
| including my home place in Europe.
|
| So go ahead, you can eat algae too, it's not a new experimental
| kind of food.
| colordrops wrote:
| I've read that one of the reasons that thyroid cancer is so
| prevalent in east Asia is due to seaweed consumption. Seaweed has
| 10,000x times the iodine of other food products, and a percentage
| of that iodine is potentially radioactive. I don't have a source
| so take this with a grain of (uniodized) salt.
| jackmott42 wrote:
| Maybe we could just impregnate people a bit less instead?
| rs999gti wrote:
| Found the westerner everyone. I want those benefits, but I
| don't want to make the tax base to pay for them
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| G7 countries are already all below replacement fertility rates.
| throwaway8689 wrote:
| No problem. We can find replacements.
| [deleted]
| no_time wrote:
| Okay, now find good ones.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| I didn't say it was a problem. OP was suggesting we make
| less people, and we already are.
| whycombinetor wrote:
| I've eaten 4.6g of spirulina in the last 24 hours in the form of
| the Bolthouse Farms Green Goodness smoothie. No taste issues to
| speak of. I for one welcome our new algae overlords.
| wrycoder wrote:
| Spirulina is not algae. It's bacteria. [0]
|
| I avoid it, possible ALS risk.[1][2][3]
|
| [0]
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplemen...
|
| [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanotoxin
|
| [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3295368/
|
| [3]
| https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/1748296090327848...
| whycombinetor wrote:
| Ouch, today I learn "blue-green algae" isn't "algae".
| wrycoder wrote:
| My wife got on a spirulina smoothie kick awhile back, so I
| did some research. We sent it back.
|
| Lake Mascoma isn't too far from us, and we do see
| cyanobacteria blooms around here.
| netfl0 wrote:
| fucking no.
| mjul wrote:
| If you want the high-end take on this, check out the Spanish
| Michelin star chef, Angel Leon. He is known as "chef del mar",
| making novel dishes with the plants from the ocean.
|
| Here is a short portrait in English:
|
| https://thebestchefawards.com/2021/06/06/angel-leon/
|
| His restaurant, Aponiente:
|
| https://www.aponiente.com/en/
| calme_toi wrote:
| This reminds me when I was in kindergarten, the most popular
| diet/health supplement are some green/blue tablets which are
| claimed to be made of some sea plants or algae called Spirulina
| and with multiple benefits.
|
| I think Amway is still selling those tablets in some countries
| now.
| dustractor wrote:
| It is definitely time to protect the sources of quality algae.
| hunterb123 wrote:
| You first, Sarah Gibbens
| incone123 wrote:
| It's time get people used to the idea of eating algae. Then they
| won't question the Soylent Green.
| marricks wrote:
| I love all these whacky avenues people take when eating just
| plants is a very low foot print option available to almost
| everyone.
|
| We don't need to eat crickets, we don't need to eat algae, we
| don't need bioreactors for growing meat.
|
| I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how goddamn
| efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is because
| it's not sexy. You just can't make a start up on beans and rice.
|
| Which is a shame, because beans and rice are healthy and tasty.
| And also are one of the avenues to save the planet.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| >because beans and rice are healthy
|
| I disagree. A high carb diet make me fat. A high protein diets
| does not.
|
| There is no vegan way for me to eat my daily protein target
| without eating far too many carbs along with it.
|
| (edit: I should have stated that there is no way beyond eating
| highly processed foods)
| ericmcer wrote:
| I feel the opposite, as soon as I start supplementing with
| whey protein or adding meat I put on muscle and weight, but
| with mostly beans/rice/lentil diet I have consistent energy
| and stay light.
|
| I think the "protein" obsession we have currently (even my
| milk carton brags about protein content) might be dialed back
| in the near future. It came from the weight lifting
| community, and lifting weights is one of the least healthy
| and functional ways to stay in shape. Hopefully we view
| hiking and doing physical activities as being "in shape" soon
| versus going to a gym to do a bunch of isolated movements
| with weight.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| In my 20-30s, I was a long distance cyclist which required
| a high carb diet and I had persistent belly fat. Now I
| primarily lift weights and eat a high protein diet and I
| have lost all the belly fat and as an added bonus, my
| posture is no longer perma-hunched.
| ericmcer wrote:
| Which version of you would have done better at something
| like... running around with your kids at the park? Or
| running a mile to catch a train?
|
| My main point is that defined abs and a giant chest and
| arms have little to do with health and performance, but
| the body-building culture has convinced us all that they
| do. It got ridiculous in the 90s when Arnold and Stallone
| were portrayed as heroes good at everything due to their
| big muscles, when the reality was that Arnold needed help
| wiping his own ass when he was at his biggest.
|
| But if your goal is attracting a mate or intimidating
| other males bench press and bicep curls are your path.
|
| I am also coming from a place as someone who hit 315 on
| bench in my mid 20s but felt like an old man.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| Technically, I would have been far more injury prone
| running during my cycling days because of the terrible
| imbalances due to "mono sporting" as a cyclist. And I am
| not a musclebound gym rat now either. I spend more of my
| exercise time walking than anything else these days.
|
| Not trying to sidestep your point here though and I
| understand and agree with what you are getting at re:
| over focus on lifting.
| issa wrote:
| 2 things:
|
| - everyone is different
|
| - there are plenty of low-carb, high-protein vegetarian
| sources (see: tofu)
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| Actually, the problem with tofu is that it has a very high
| fat to protein ratio. If I were to get my protein from
| tofu, I'd take in way too many calories from fat.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| Yes, you are right - I left out highly processed foods
| (tofu, seitan, etc) because I don't think they are healthy.
| forgetfulness wrote:
| The processing in tofu is merely blending of soy beans,
| filtering and curdling, unless cheese is in the same
| category for you, I'd say that particular millenia-old
| foodstuff is not in the same category as Beyond Burgers
| or hot pockets.
| subsuxbjes wrote:
| There is you just don't care to learn and are stuck in your
| own ways. That's fine, but don't act like it's not possible
| because it is and it's not hard.
| marricks wrote:
| Seems like you are pluralizing your own anecdote. Sorry for
| your issues though.
| version_five wrote:
| It's not hard to understand. Meat tastes good and is satisfying
| to eat, and is the preferred centerpiece of many cultures'
| meals. So there is a market to find substitutes that will have
| the same appeal. Not that I think crickets or algae fill the
| niche, but at least people are trying something. Vegetarians
| saying "why doesn't everyone eat just plants, I do it" are
| ignoring culture and projecting their narrow view onto others
| ravenstine wrote:
| > I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how
| goddamn efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is
| because it's not sexy.
|
| No, we don't hear about it more because it's not healthful. If
| it were, the human digestive system would be like that of
| cattle, but it's not. You can feed everyone carby, fibrous
| meals, but that's not optimal and not even necessarily better
| for the environment.
|
| The reason algae is proposed as a way to feed people is that
| it's _not_ dumping a bunch of carbs, fiber, and incomplete
| protein down everyone 's gullets. Humans don't need to be
| consuming these things, and there's drawbacks to diets that
| aren't based on what our species developed to primarily consume
| over the last 4 or so million years. There's aspects of algae
| that are preventing it from being a serious food source across
| the world, but if those roadblocks can be overcome then it can
| be a game changer because of where it can be grown and what
| kinds of nutrients it's capable of producing.
|
| In the present, there's no good reason to believe that
| "everyone" needs to eat more plants and less meat. Meat is a
| part of the atmospheric carbon cycle, _just as are crops_. On
| the contrary to what you 're suggesting, and putting aside the
| fact that fossil fuels are being used throughout livestock and
| agriculture, individuals can eat whatever they see fit for
| themselves.
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| Sorry, but lentils are pretty much the closest thing to a
| single food that meets all of a human's nutritional needs in
| existence. If you pair lentils with a small amount of spinach
| and eggs that gets you there.
|
| Your comments about what "people" were designed to eat also
| sounds pretty ignorant, since we're not genetically
| homogenous for starters. Most humans of European descent have
| evolved for seasonal carbohydrate consumption, which is why
| they make you fat in excess (good luck surviving a hard
| winter lean). The only people who really shouldn't be eating
| carbs are indigenous people from very cold areas with a
| primarily marine diet. There are pockets of indigenous
| Americans from desert regions who don't do fantastically with
| carbs either, but those people mostly have issues with a
| caloric surplus in general.
|
| Seaweed is a better food (and habitat) for fish than humans.
| We should create artificial reefs and forests to feed fish,
| then sustainably harvest fish from those manmade "farms".
| gruez wrote:
| >Your comments about what "people" were designed to eat
| also sounds pretty ignorant, since we're not genetically
| homogenous for starters. ...
|
| Source for this? I don't doubt that there are groups with
| genetic adaptations to food (eg. genes for lactase
| persistence), but I'm not aware of anything for carbs.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| And that's great, but how far do the lentils travel to get
| to your kitchen?
| bobbylarrybobby wrote:
| Lentils and rice are a complete protein. While they don't
| provide 100% of the nutrients you need, if you throw in a few
| green vegetables you'll be absolutely fine.
|
| Crops use something like 1% of the resources to grow that
| meat does. It's not just about where carbon is stored, but
| land and water usage and where carbon is produced (cows fart.
| a lot.). Overall plant-based diets are far superior for the
| planet than meat-based diets, and contrary to popular opinion
| they don't have to suck.
| BlargMcLarg wrote:
| There is token research that creatine supplements are
| especially beneficial for vegans, and creatine isn't the
| only thing mostly found in animal-based foods. Given
| nutritional sciences has a history of being a rollercoaster
| ride, maybe it isn't the best idea to make wild claims
| which don't mirror how the world behaves at large.
|
| Water and land usage is also A: grossly overstated (you
| can't grow anything except grass on most land) and B: cited
| as something against _all_ meat when chickens, goats,
| ducks, geese and pigs use far less of both. At that point,
| substantiate or correct your statement to 'beef'.
| gruez wrote:
| >A: grossly overstated (you can't grow anything except
| grass on most land)
|
| The overwhelming majority of soy grown globally is fed to
| livestock. That's definitely does not fall under your
| category of "can't grow anything except grass on most
| land".
|
| "More than three-quarters (77%) of global soy is fed to
| livestock for meat and dairy production. Most of the rest
| is used for biofuels, industry or vegetable oils. Just 7%
| of soy is used directly for human food products"
|
| The proportion is lower for corn, but only because a huge
| chunk is being used for fuel. If we exclude that, it
| would still be the overwhelming majority.
|
| https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/104842/corn_dom_u
| se....
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| That's because soy isn't really suitable for human
| consumption, and about 80% of the soy plants that you
| grow consist of stuff that humans can't eat.
|
| How do you plan on solving the problem of eating the bits
| of soy plants that humans can't eat?
| hannofcart wrote:
| > Lentils and rice are a complete protein. While they don't
| provide 100% of the nutrients you need, if you throw in a
| few green vegetables you'll be absolutely fine.
|
| Sounds like the South Indian Sambar with rice meets this
| criteria.
|
| Or rice-dal-subji combo in North Indian cuisine.
| goodpoint wrote:
| > We don't need to eat crickets, we don't need to eat algae, we
| don't need bioreactors for growing meat.
|
| While this is true, algae has been a common, almost staple food
| for thousands of years in Asia.
|
| TFA, "start eating algae" only betrays its narrow perspective.
| marricks wrote:
| Completely valid, I worried about that after I typed it but
| decided to leave it in to relate more to the article which
| opens on a wacky start up idea.
| coinbasetwwa wrote:
| Being vegetarian is extremely unhealthy, drives the obesity
| epidemic, and is far more likely to cause individuals to become
| depressed. Good luck getting heme iron, carnitine, carnosine,
| taurine, creatine, B12, Vit D, and DHA in a meat free diet.
| subsuxbjes wrote:
| What? This is honestly so wrong you can't be taken in good
| faith.
| slothtrop wrote:
| Only _relatively_ low footprint. You 're underestimating the
| fossil fuel consumption needed in the form of ammonia (for
| fertilizer), farming equipment (smelting for steel, also
| requires coke from coal), transport, manufacturing, plastics
| (greenhouses, packaging), etc. This is all essential to feed
| the world, and there's nothing low footprint about it. Btw,
| compare the consumption needed for a tomato/100g vs chicken,
| and you'll be surprised.
|
| All of this is a moot point if demand were to stop growing, and
| that will only happen when population does. Another accelerant
| is that as more of the world is lifted out of poverty, demand
| increases. All of the increases in efficiency and swaps for
| green energy are outpaced by demand, and will continue to be.
|
| Btw, immigrants are not moving to the 1st world so they could
| consume less. They're going to eat meat, buy gadgets and single
| family homes. In fact govt policy is counting on it (that's
| what a GDP increase means, more consumption). Reduction in
| overall meat consumption helps, but you shouldn't bet on it to
| end, nor is it the most exacerbating source of emissions (plus,
| I hope, seaweed infused feed could trivialize methane emissions
| as it rolls out).
|
| The alternative to lower demand is a staggering transition away
| from fossil fuels (only like 15% of fossil fuel consumption is
| for electricity), but that will probably take awhile. Lowering
| immigration rates would marginally help (probably not as much
| as people think) but that would be unpopular anyway. It's
| simultaneously "just" to pad the numbers of those consuming
| like Westerners (literally what "a better life" describes), and
| a moral imperative for the same concerned class to pressure
| Westerners to avoid consuming arbitrary things, or in general.
| Regardless, increase in consumption will arrive in the rest of
| the world.
|
| I think expanding access to contraceptives worldwide is
| probably the greenest possible thing that can be done right
| now. That's not coming from a perspective of anti-natalism
| either. EDIT: use your words if you disagree, like adults. If
| you can't even elucidate how, you should question your premise.
| ianai wrote:
| Being from the land of great red and green chile (spelled
| correctly), I love legumes/pulses! I'd mix them with rice more
| but potatoes and wheat (tortillas) go with my metabolism much
| better.
|
| I also love falafel though and find the texture close enough to
| a burger for my uses.
|
| Edit-nonetheless the mock up stuff is fun and fills needs. Love
| me some "benevolent bacon".
| reality_inspctr wrote:
| you eat so many bugs all the time, ground up in food. this
| dismissive old crank attitude is ignoring simple truth. also a
| lot of the world happily eats bugs as a delicacy. they're not
| whacky, you're being quick to frame something you don't know
| much about as dismissible.
| hammock wrote:
| Beans + rice is easily the most common meal on the planet, as
| the cheapest complete protein source around. We live in a
| bubble, never mind saving the planet
| sometimeshuman wrote:
| A quick Google search reveals that beans are not a _complete_
| , since they lack several essential amino acids.
|
| Edit: correction, it appears that soybeans are the exception.
| But when one thinks of having a serving of "beans and rice",
| soybeans are unlikely to be the bean served.
| wrycoder wrote:
| Pinto beans and rice are complete, for example. The amino
| acid deficiencies are complementary.
| sannee wrote:
| Surely you can just eat more beans until you get enough
| methionine to satisfy your protein synthesis needs. We are
| not (yet, in the western world) at the point of having to
| eat a starvation diet (where the amino acid profile is
| actually important, since you are trying to eat as little
| as possible).
| forgetfulness wrote:
| That's why it's the beans+rice combination that's complete,
| because they're complementary in composition.
|
| But the truth is that you don't need to eat them in the
| same meal, and most people don't have a shortage of grain
| in their diets if they aren't going out of their way to
| make it so. Porridge in the morning and lentils at lunch
| and you've done it.
| bch wrote:
| beans != beans + rice;
|
| See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33564109
| sometimeshuman wrote:
| My mistake, I had blindly dismissed rice since it is
| commonly known to be a nutrient poor food. But several
| sources confirm the parent post and your comment are
| correct*. It's also too often repeated that a vegetable
| based diets will be lacking essential amino acids which
| seems like a gross falsehood now if you can get there
| with two wildly available plants that make up a common
| low-cost meal. I am baffled by the disconnect.
|
| *I don't cite the source since I am unsure if there are
| caveats or if the claim is controversial.
| stonemetal12 wrote:
| I think the disconnect is that for meat you don't have to
| think about it. When it comes to plants, suddenly you
| have to know something about what you are eating. There
| are plenty of plant diets that are viable, you just have
| to research a little bit.
|
| Everyone always mentions beans and rice, but Potatoes by
| themselves are a complete protein. Some of the essential
| amino acids aren't found in high quantities in potatoes,
| so you have to eat a lot of them if you go that route.
| They are missing some vitamins and minerals as well, so
| you have to add sweet potatoes if you don't want scurvy.
| bch wrote:
| > complete protein source
|
| On the "complete protein" concept, by a famous popularizer of
| plant-based protein-combining[0]
|
| ----
|
| There is no need to combine foods at individual meals.
|
| "In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed
| that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a
| protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating
| the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality
| protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression
| that in order to get enough protein without meat,
| considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it
| is much easier than I thought. With three important
| exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a
| plant food diet."
|
| ---
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_for_a_Small_Planet
|
| Edit: adjust description of what Lappe was popularizer of
| metadat wrote:
| Why did you quit there, leaving the 3 exceptions as a
| cliffhanger!?
|
| > The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1]
| fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or
| cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and
| fat).
|
| This part could be important for some folks. :)
| bch wrote:
| I wanted you to tune in next week for the thrilling
| conclusion? ;)
|
| Thx for the amendment.
| goethes_kind wrote:
| Animal protein still seems to be of higher quality. Even
| among rich vegans in first would countries, the children
| comparatively less developed compared to their peers.
|
| https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X
| 1...
|
| https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/113/6/1565/6178918?lo
| g...
| eYrKEC2 wrote:
| Did you know that cows can up cycle agricultural waste into
| protein? Human's can't eat corn stalks, for instance.
| fullstick wrote:
| We could upcycle agricultural waste by returning it to the
| earth. Let it decompose and return nutrients to the soil.
| wrycoder wrote:
| We do that, after the cows are done with it.
| jlg23 wrote:
| > I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how
| goddamn efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is
| because it's not sexy.
|
| I consider food that can be mass-produced in those 71% of the
| world's surface that cannot grow lentils or rice quite sexy
| indeed.
| Avicebron wrote:
| Huge swathes of the human population doesn't eat that much
| meat, India being my go to example of delicious vegetarian food
| spanning a very very long time.
| [deleted]
| rs999gti wrote:
| > doesn't eat that much meat, India being my go to example
|
| Indian/Pakistani food may be vegetarian but it tastes good
| because of animal products like eggs, butter, cream, milk,
| and cheese.
|
| It's vegetarian but not vegan.
|
| Source: I grew up eating this type of food daily
| rs999gti wrote:
| Edit: before you jump on me, yes I know Indian food has
| spices. But the animal products are what add the richness
| and savoriness to the food
| valarauko wrote:
| Plenty of Indian foods are already vegan or can be made
| vegan with simple substitutions.
| Kiro wrote:
| There are lot of things we don't need to do. I hate lentils and
| beans but love whacky food as you call it.
|
| Taste is subjective.
| dinosaurdynasty wrote:
| (micro)-algae can be a really good source of long-chain
| omega-3's (EPA/DHA), which are otherwise difficult to get in a
| plant-based diet.
|
| While beans and rice are pretty damn good (or what I tend to
| do, beans and potatoes) it definitely isn't complete
| nutritionally and there is pretty important stuff that's
| missing or there isn't enough of (EPA/DHA, Vitamin D, Vitamin
| B12, etc).
|
| Variety is also good just because of allergies and
| oversensitivites to certain foods and even just taste
| preference. Just about anything is better for the planet than
| meat!
| forgetfulness wrote:
| It's like the phenomenon of businessmen and politicians
| preferring to dazzle the public with implausible gadgetbahn
| concepts, instead of opting for presently-existing trains, of
| the various types that actually exist.
|
| The concrete existence of train technology causes the ball to
| get pushed further than the the 3D render stage to the far less
| exciting endeavors of drafting up projects, gathering political
| support, securing funding, doing environmental impact studies,
| battling NIMBYs in court, and may end up undercutting the
| bottom line of auto manufacturers that could make campaign
| contributions, and won't line up the pockets of visionary
| consultants writing reports on how other solutions to car
| traffic and long commutes could be dreamed up.
|
| https://www.cat-bus.com/2017/12/gadgetbahn/
| [deleted]
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| That's great if you live in a part of the world where you can
| grow lentils and rice.
|
| Even down south here at 57degN it's still more ecologically
| sound to eat meat and potatoes, because potatoes grow pretty
| well and tough heathery grasses and sedges grow pretty well,
| and we can't eat those but sheep can.
| dr_dshiv wrote:
| I would totally imagine a beans and rice drive-through focused
| on getting healthy family dinner for lowest possible price.
| Call it "Bowls" and allow upsells on toppings.
| stevenkkim wrote:
| Also, can you imagine the positive impact on health and well-
| being?
|
| Also, my impression is that at least in the U.S. there isn't a
| shortage of farmable land. It's just that most of it is used to
| grow corn and soybeans, and most of the corn is being used to
| feed cattle and make ethanol.
|
| I think a lot more work needs to be done to show how tasty
| plant-based foods can be. Anecdote: growing up, I hated brussel
| sprouts b/c we ate them boiled; now I love them oven-roasted.
| Salads can be amazing if a bit of effort is put into them (more
| than just iceberg lettuce and dressing).
| marricks wrote:
| I try not to post too many empty "I totally agree" comments
| but man, brussel sprouts are amazing.
|
| Who ever popularized boiling them is a damn fool. Pan friend
| then oven roasted, just amazing. Best thing in the world.
|
| Also you're right on all points, but god, love me some
| sprouts.
| pfarrell wrote:
| In addition to changing to roasting, and depending on how old
| you are, brussels sprouts may have literally been different
| when you were a kid [0]. Dutch biologists worked to alter the
| sprouts we eat and have changed the bitterness. That's why
| they've had such a renaissance. I never had them as a kid,
| but I distinctly remember my brother making them at
| Thanksgiving around 2010 and we were shocked at how much we
| enjoyed them and couldn't figure out why they had such a bad
| reputation in pop culture.
|
| 0: https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/do-brussels-sprouts-
| taste-...
| stevenkkim wrote:
| Very cool article, thanks for sharing!
| scythe wrote:
| Algae has what I sometimes call the "hempseed problem": it tastes
| awful. Hempseeds are highly productive, nutritious, and smash
| almost every other whole plant food on the crucial protein:fiber
| ratio, coming in at 12:1. The only problem is, you have to eat
| them.
|
| Japan pretty much identified every kind of seaweed that you can
| eat without puking a thousand years ago and the list is not long.
| A tablespoon of spirulina is a great way to ruin a smoothie,
| never mind that it mostly comes from the disappearing Lake Chad.
|
| So it's heavily processed, and it could certainly get into food
| products that way, but nobody will notice -- or care -- that
| they're eating algae-derived food products. If you doubt that,
| just look up where xanthan gum comes from, or consider that
| _Aspergillus niger_ is the primary source of citric acid.
| [deleted]
| bob234 wrote:
| stuff4ben wrote:
| All of the people who are saying they'd never eat it and will
| stick with their beef/chicken/pork are the same kind that said
| hell no to EVs. They'll die out and the world will adapt to a
| changing food economy just as we did with the changing fuel
| economy.
| BlargMcLarg wrote:
| EVs are barely making a dent into the problem, even coupled
| with everyone going fully vegan (a pipedream). The economy
| still continues to occupy any new room available under "we must
| grow" incentive.
|
| You'll die out with the others at this rate of token changes.
| vinyl7 wrote:
| Eat the bugs, live in a pod, own nothing and be happy
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| hunterb123 wrote:
| "All of the people who have different life choices than me will
| die out one day"
|
| Is that all cultures you're waiting to die out that are using
| ICE vehicles and eating chicken, or just Western peoples?
|
| Lots of babies and and future babies who live those lifestyles
| you're going to have to wait to die...
| tianqi wrote:
| mberning wrote:
| More propaganda from the "eat bugs" and "you'll own nothing and
| be happy" cabal.
| blacksmith_tb wrote:
| Eating seaweed and bugs sounds a lot better than starving to
| death? Especially since in both cases they appear to be just
| intermediate sources of nutrients that will get turned into
| innocuous food-a-likes like burgers and bacon. Sure, the
| cynical take is no one would willing eat them straight up
| (though obviously nori is around sushi, hijiki is in soup etc.)
| but I am not too put off by the idea...
| mberning wrote:
| False dichotomy. Just like green anything. Kill the planet or
| go back to pre-industrial living standards. How about no. Why
| not use our talent and resources to find ways to increase the
| standards of living while also improving their affordability
| and lessening their impact on the environment.
| opsec0001 wrote:
| Algae? With all that sh*t we have in the oceans? I'll pass
| dsp_person wrote:
| I was looking into algea/spirulina for B12, but found some
| sources indicating it is not a bioavailable form of B12, and also
| prevents real B12 from being absorbed.
|
| I'd be interested to know any counter research to this.
|
| > almost all algae revealed vitamin B12 analogues instead of the
| real thing. Analogues are not only ineffective, but also
| potentially dangerous. Most researchers have consequently
| dismissed algae as a B12 source and recommend natural B12
| supplements as a safe alternative
|
| > In order to properly understand the discussion about the B12
| content of algae, it is important to first take a closer look at
| analogues. Also known as pseudo B12, analogues are molecules
| which are so chemically similar to real B12 that they bond to the
| same transport molecule. In contrast, however, they have no
| vitamin effect on the body whatsoever. This is detrimental to
| health, as only real B12 that is bound to this specific transport
| molecule can be used by the body.
|
| https://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/
| manmal wrote:
| Why not just take B12 produced with microbes (= most
| supplements)? Those are considered vegan. Trying to get B12
| from algae sounds unnecessarily complicated, considering our
| B12 has in all of our history been of microbial origin.
|
| But I also wouldn't shun algae just because they occupy some
| B12 transporters. There's all kinds of metabolic tradeoffs with
| every kind of food, and we are designed to tolerate that. Most
| metabolic pathways are 4-5x redundant IIRC.
| coinbasetwwa wrote:
| Yep. People need meat.
| manmal wrote:
| B12 absorption is finicky, and meats contain rather small
| amounts. Injections and sublinguals are actually better at
| increasing levels than meat.
| zmaurelius wrote:
| Organ meats such as beef liver provide a significant amount
| of B12. If you are just eating muscle meat, then you will
| have to eat a lot.
| manmal wrote:
| Excess liver consumption is a risk factor for vitamin A
| toxicity though, and the B12 amount varies wildly. Red
| meat consumption also increases cancer risk. It's safer
| to take supplements from a reputable source.
| uxcolumbo wrote:
| Guess what? Farm animals need B12 supplements.
|
| So why not just take B12 supplements ourselves? Cut out the
| middleman and as a bonus lower stress on our biosphere and
| reduce our carbon footprint.
| newman555 wrote:
| For B12? You do know that animals don't produce B12, but
| microorganisms (that can be found in soil and untreated
| water) and that farmed animals eat B12 supplemented food?
|
| So no, people don't need meat. Not for B12, or for proteins
| or for iron or for anything else.
|
| Do people _want_ to eat meat? That's a different story.
| knaekhoved wrote:
| Why do vegans almost uniformly look so scrawny and fucked
| up if Veganism doesn't cause nutritional deficiencies?
| CaptainNegative wrote:
| They also need Hi-C Flashin' Fruit Punch because rib eye is
| low in ascorbic acid.
| version_five wrote:
| You can get that from eating whale skin, much tastier and
| healthier
| kethinov wrote:
| I saw that episode of Battlestar Galactica. It was generally
| unpopular with the people.
| terramars wrote:
| love foraging seaweed and eating it in a bunch of different
| things. large scale consumption of it is pretty difficult unless
| you're somewhere that conveniently has both a lot of good stuff
| locally and has a food culture that knows how to prepare it.
| cooking with eg kelp is not trivial. there are probably lots of
| interesting industrial and processed seaweed products that could
| be very good, especially the animal feed applications, but i
| think these kinds of articles overlook the very real problems
| associated with building cuisine from ingredients that aren't
| widely adopted.
| JackFr wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headli...
| beckingz wrote:
| Yes it tastes great in sushi and miso soup.
| rs999gti wrote:
| And ice cream too
| xxr wrote:
| Do you mean ice cream where it's the central flavor, or in
| the form of carrageenans as a thickener?
| Ekaros wrote:
| As meat eater I'm not wholly against it. If the texture and taste
| is palatable why not.
| petamask wrote:
| Seaweed is a staple ingredient in Korea. We eat it in all sorts
| of ways. I remember being shocked by the smell of rotting
| seaweeds on a Welsh beach. Never saw it happening in Korea. We
| eat those!
| la64710 wrote:
| No
| jansan wrote:
| There was a mid sized scam by a company praising algae as the
| future in Germany a few years ago.The company claimed that they
| would soon produce huge quantities of algae for nutrition,
| cosmetics, fuel, etc.. They collected money from private
| investors (which how they did it was illegal), but they had
| nothing but a small prototype that did not even work well, is was
| all smoke an mirrors. A very nice but gullible friend of mine
| lost about 5000EUR in that.
|
| Since then I am VERY sceptical about articles praising algae as
| the next big thing.
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| https://archive.ph/0tg3q
| strangattractor wrote:
| I thought Kale was Algae - good to know.
| oifjsidjf wrote:
| While real sea-grown algae might be light what will happen is the
| same as with modern animal and plant farming: animals are fed
| corn which makes their meat sub-par nutrientwise and most of the
| soil for plants is depleted.
|
| So if we now grow algae in "reactors" their nutrient profile will
| be artificial and out of line of their natural counterparts, thus
| making them no better than any other modern highly processed
| food, so we might as well stick to rice and potatoes in that
| case...
| mattwest wrote:
| What do you mean sub-par nutrientwise? In terms of average
| health outcomes, does grassfed beef show a significant benefit
| compared to feedlot finished beef?
| galangalalgol wrote:
| I've seen no direct studies. But there seems plenty of
| evidence that the fatty acid profiles between the two are
| very different. And the profile in grassfed is closer to in
| line with what is currently recommended.
| cowmoo728 wrote:
| https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-
| 2...
|
| https://doaj.org/article/94b48d8e1f40488992f3534900e8f0f1
|
| * Lower in total fat
|
| * Higher in omega-3 and CLA
|
| * Higher in Vitamin A, E, K
|
| * Higher in polyphenols and beneficial plant compounds
| colordrops wrote:
| Is that speculation or is there a proven difference with farmed
| algae?
| goodpoint wrote:
| > So if we now grow algae in "reactors" their nutrient profile
| will be artificial and out of line of their natural
| counterparts
|
| This is wild speculation. Plenty of scientific research shows
| that farming plants, algae, and producing fermented food in a
| controlled environment can be even healthier than "natural"
| food.
| midislack wrote:
| Can you link us to a half dozen or more peer-reviewed studies
| proving this?
| jerlam wrote:
| People have posted some Soylent Green jokes; but no joke, the
| real-life Soylent company added algae to their drink in 2016, and
| it caused some illness, eventually being removed:
|
| https://www.eater.com/2016/11/7/13553610/soylent-sick-algae
| socialismisok wrote:
| We already eat various forms of algae. Some are quite nutritious,
| some give us tummy troubles, some at excellent sinks for CO2.
|
| I'm very curious if we could mass manufacture something like
| algae and then pyrolize it to get fuel and solid carbon to
| sequester.
|
| If we find some good ideas for kelp, there's whole coastlines
| whose kelp forests have been decimated. We could start
| propagating and sustainably harvesting it and provide an
| incredibly rich coastal habitat.
| RajT88 wrote:
| I have seen some youtubers make kelp pickles. They seem to find
| it delicious.
|
| https://youtu.be/SXhXK2CcCic
| throwuwu wrote:
| > Some are quite nutritious, some give us tummy troubles, some
| at excellent sinks for CO2
|
| You forgot some are potent neurotoxins
| calibas wrote:
| That's "blue-green algae", a type of bacteria, that produces
| neurotoxins. Way different than the kinds of algae they're
| talking about here.
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| That coastal habitat could also be used to support stocks of
| fish that people will actually want to eat.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| Why not both? A few years ago I saw a promising project
| focused around floating containers with algae and oysters
| that also provided valuable habitat for fish
| yawgmoth wrote:
| I recently bought an Algae Powered CO2 scrubber. No idea how
| effective it is, I wonder what the easiest way to measure is?
| slavik81 wrote:
| The CO2 that it absorbs has to be stored. Measure the change
| in weight.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| I looked into this for a few minutes when a huge algae CO2
| scrubber in am airport was discussed a few weeks back. The
| short is that it does close to nothing:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33173230
|
| It's too bad because one of my weird dreams would be to have
| a vat of genetically modified algae in my house that removes
| CO2 and turns into some kind of Soylent.
| antisthenes wrote:
| A CO2 meter? ...
| yawgmoth wrote:
| Yeah! I was thinking "ah the room isn't sealed, nor is the
| house for that matter" but I can probably get interesting
| measurements with a simple CO2 meter.
| NavinF wrote:
| CO2 meter and a 30 gallon garbage bag to seal the meter
| inside along with the algae?
| K2h wrote:
| If you try to measure CO2 usage, be aware of the
| fineprint in your sensor, depending on the sensor it may
| just take the lowest reading over some period and self
| calibrate (incorrectly) as normal air CO2 concentration
| (~400ppm)
|
| <https://www.extech.com/products/CO240>
|
| _Automatic CO2 Baseline Calibration (ABC)_ _The ABC
| algorithm continually tracks the sensor's lowest reading
| over a fixed time interval and slowly corrects for any
| long-term drift (as compared to the expected fresh air
| value of 400ppm). The ABC period is 15 days, during which
| the ABC function default is always on._
| the_third_wave wrote:
| Is it time to start eating people? Clearly it is:
|
| _In the year 2022, the cumulative effects of overpopulation,
| pollution, and some apparent climate catastrophe have caused
| severe worldwide shortages of food, water and housing. There are
| 40 million people in New York City alone, where only the city 's
| elite can afford spacious apartments, clean water, and natural
| food, and even then at horrendously high prices. The homes of the
| elite usually include concubines who are referred to as
| "furniture" and serve the tenants as slaves.
|
| Within the city lives NYPD detective Frank Thorn and his aged
| friend Sol Roth, a highly intelligent analyst, referred to as a
| "Book". Roth remembers the world when it had animals and real
| food, and possesses a small library of reference materials to
| assist Thorn. Thorn is tasked with investigating the murder of
| the wealthy and influential William R. Simonson, and quickly
| learns that Simonson had been assassinated and was a board member
| of Soylent Industries._
|
| https://archive.org/details/soylent-green-1973_20210310
| heywherelogingo wrote:
| I don't mind, but it seems the root problem might be the people
| chanting that we need more people to increase GDP.
| poszlem wrote:
| I cannot understand how it is possible that the phrases like
| "food security" instead of "hunger" became used widespread
| organically seemingly out of nowhere. Genuine question, can
| someone explain that to me without resorting to some sort of
| conspiracy theories?
| woodruffw wrote:
| They encompass different things: hunger is a physical state,
| while food security is an economic, logistical, and
| environmental property.
|
| You don't really need a conspiracy to prefer more precise
| terms.
| im3w1l wrote:
| My guess is that recently lots of people have come to associate
| hunger with their own failed attempts at losing weight rather
| than with poverty and desperation. Saying that you want to "end
| hunger" is not a message that will resonate with them.
| jackmott42 wrote:
| preferred words change constantly, its all senseless, but it
| won't stop, and it doesn't matter. just go with it, or be angry
| all the time.
| rr808 wrote:
| Maybe the distrinction comes from the West where food charities
| help out with food for hunger, but they aren't in danger of
| starving to death like many 3rd world countries.
| dimitrios1 wrote:
| Perhaps -- my guess -- its the recognition that they are
| fundamentally two different problems.
|
| Hunger of the previous generations was mostly due to countries
| not having enough agriculture or imports to feed their
| population.
|
| Today with modern farming and agriculture methods, hunger is
| mostly a distribution issue, rather than a we don't have enough
| food issue, so now food security is used as a more general
| term. My hunch is driven by -- may be getting the exact
| specifics wrong - that countries like America throw away enough
| food daily to satisfy much of the remaining world hunger.
| Enginerrrd wrote:
| I think they refer to different things.
|
| I could ask why use the term "Hunger" rather than "Starvation"
| or "malnutrition" etc.
|
| Food security I think of as a measure of the risk associated of
| available nutrient supplies not being adequate to meet the need
| (not the market demand, as that may differ) of people in a
| particular locality.
|
| Hunger is an end state feeling in a human-being when they feel
| the need to eat.
|
| You can have terrible food security and no hunger if there is
| tremendous risk of mass starvation due to small unforseen
| disruptions in supply, but there is existing supply and
| forecasted supply to meet demand if all goes well.
| [deleted]
| Nowado wrote:
| Nation states don't get hungry. Similarly to 'target
| neutralization' being called inhuman description of murder,
| both terms are about exactly what they say they are.
|
| People being hungry near you is an 'individual problem', but
| with police intact you're roughly fine (under assumptions). If
| your country is facing food security crisis, it will likely
| spread to other domains and you are not fine.
| goodpoint wrote:
| They are not the same thing. Food insecurity is broader than
| just hunger.
|
| https://foodforward.org/food-security/what-is-food-insecurit...
|
| No need for silly conspiracy theories.
| slothtrop wrote:
| For motte-and-bailey reasons. Food insecurity in my country
| means not being able to access food in "socially acceptable
| ways". It has nothing to do with hunger, it means collecting
| money from the govt or food stamps etc. But when invoked, it's
| meant to convey that a large fraction of people are going
| hungry, incidentally often calling for an expansion of spending
| which would also not reduce food insecurity because by
| definition it's not "socially acceptable". Better wages and
| employment addresses it.
| poszlem wrote:
| So, to clarify, I am not arguing that food insecurity and
| hunger are two separate things (even though to me it still
| sounds like some sort of newspeak). My question was more about
| the speed with which that term became deployed everywhere.
| bobthepanda wrote:
| They are slightly different.
|
| Hunger, in the strictest sense, is about a lack of calories.
|
| This made sense as a metric to track, when the issue was
| almost entirely people who starved to death. Now however,
| first in the developed world and also in many developing
| countries the issue is also calorie quality, usually a lack
| of access to non-junk foods. You can now be both malnourished
| and obese.
| woodruffw wrote:
| I think it's more likely that you just didn't notice it.
|
| My lay observation is that "food security" has been the
| standard term in non-profit/NGO contexts for at least 15
| years, while "hunger" is still colloquial. My guess for why
| is precision.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Maybe it's the same Euphemism Treadmill that George Carlin
| performed[1] about, how "Shell Shock" evolved into the
| softer, jargony "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder"
|
| 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc
| woodruffw wrote:
| The euphemism treadmill is real, but this is the exact
| opposite: we've gone _from_ a dated euphemism to a
| medical term.
| strbean wrote:
| I think "shell shock" vs. "PTSD" is a poor example of
| euphemistic language. The name "shell shock" is just
| inaccurate and misleading. It's a product of the poor
| understanding we had at the time. It would be confusing
| to explain how someone got shell shock from sexual
| assault, for example.
|
| The intermediate names Carlin mentions, however, are
| absolute euphemistic bullshit. "Battle fatigue" and
| "operational exhaustion" were strictly rebrands with the
| intent of minimizing the problem.
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| I first heard about it in an economics podcast about food
| deserts so I figure it came from that realm.
|
| The entire planet is 3 missed meals away from total anarchy.
| The reason it is prominent (IMO) is that any politician who
| fails to deliver on food may as well dumpster the rest of their
| platform. Ensuring the acquisition and availability of food is
| every country's #1 priority, and "food security" covers all of
| the political and logistical and agricultural activities that
| need to happen for that priority to be delivered.
| [deleted]
| tantalor wrote:
| > became used widespread organically seemingly out of nowhere
|
| Except, it didn't?
|
| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=...
|
| Just because you are just now noticing something common doesn't
| mean it recently became common.
| [deleted]
| hammock wrote:
| I appreciate the effort to apply data. There are alternative
| facts, though: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=
| world+hunger%2...
| Shared404 wrote:
| I'd like to take this opportunity to point out a common
| statistical manipulation - extending an axis far longer
| than is at all relevant to the data, creating a misleading
| interpretation of a slope.
|
| https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=world+hunger%
| 2... is a much more readable and accurate graph.
|
| Note how both are ~equivalent for a majority of the time,
| barring 1943 - 1951 (slight edge for food security) and
| 1960-1970 (larger lead for 'world hunger'). At 1970, food
| insecurity takes and maintains control.
|
| This is likely because it - as discussed in the rest of the
| thread - encompasses more, and is a more useful term for
| scholarly discussion.
| Sapere_Aude wrote:
| Right around the time when the Trilateral Commission, the
| Club of Rome and other elitist think tanks / NGOs were
| founded to push globalization, development and such
| ideas.
| tantalor wrote:
| Great find!
|
| Sounds like this term became popular in the 1970s. That was
| a while ago :)
| nells wrote:
| Because it's not organic. Of course if you reject "conspiracy
| theories" then you will reject the answer.
| rmujica wrote:
| In Chile is common to eat Cochayuyo, a type of kelp without air
| bladders [0]. Some people are dismissive about its taste, but
| personally I love it on my Charquican [1].
|
| It is very cheap and readily available at most fish markets
| through all the country.
|
| [0]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durvillaea_antarctica#Chilean_...
|
| [1]: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charquic%C3%A1n
| neves wrote:
| Incas used algae as a source of iodine to prevent
| hypothyroidism. There was a sound commerce between the
| mountains and the shore.
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| I recently bought some red dulse from a seaweed farm on the
| Oregon coast (Oregon Seaweed in Garibaldi, Oregon). Bought it
| right from the farm. The guy who was growing it said it makes a
| great bacon substitute. I tried frying it up and while it didn't
| taste much like bacon to me (maybe I needed some liquid smoke?)
| it was an umami bomb. I had it in a sandwich and it was actually
| pretty good.
| telesilla wrote:
| Try using a dehydrator, it's delicious in salads and adds a
| crunch.
| tejohnso wrote:
| I enjoy the dulse leaf product from these guys
| https://www.amdulse.com/products
|
| Not as a substitute for something else, but as a snack on its
| own, for which there is no substitute. Unfortunately prices
| have nearly doubled in a little over a year.
| dirtyid wrote:
| Are there big seaweed / algae boards funding test kitchens to try
| to mainstream products like Norway did for salmon sushi?
| nells wrote:
| I will not eat the bugs and I will not eat the algae.
| kibwen wrote:
| Do you eat lobster or crab? Then I've got some bad news for you
| about eating bugs...
| Minor49er wrote:
| What's the bad news?
| chihuahua wrote:
| It's a dramatic way of stating that lobster and crab are
| members of the phylum _Arthropoda_ , which also includes
| scorpions, centipedes, and butterflies.
| ask_b123 wrote:
| Hey, I don't eat lobster nor crab.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| I will eat everything you don't eat.
| asow92 wrote:
| As soon as someone says X tastes like Y I get a little
| suspicious. Can't we just come up with a new notion of X unto
| itself so we all don't have to pretend that X tastes like Y?
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| How do you describe an unfamiliar taste to someone without
| comparisons?
| asow92 wrote:
| I would use descriptors such as savory, crispy, etc.
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