[HN Gopher] The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Unv...
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The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Unvaccinated Covid
Patients
Author : rgrieselhuber
Score : 8 points
Date : 2022-11-07 21:49 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| stuntkite wrote:
| I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart
| attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I
| had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. I've only noticed
| small motor function loss on my left side and some memory
| impairments. Since 2020 I have had what I call a "dinner plate in
| my chest". It goes away with some cardio exercise.
|
| I can feel my vascular system radiating from the center of my
| chest up the sides of my neck and out through my shoulders. It's
| got a bit of a slow ache when it's flaring up. When it's bad,
| sometimes I wake up with numbness that radiates from my chest out
| to my finger tips on the top sides of my arms.
|
| I have no problems taking deep breaths. The injury does not seem
| to be growing.
|
| After the cardiac issue I had in 2020, my bloodwork showed signs
| that there was a possible event. My EKG was fine. This was days
| after. I have a constant dull to really shitty headache in the
| top front inside my head that has been persistent from the thing
| that seemed like a mini-stroke. I have never really had headaches
| without a serious hangover for all of my life. I couldn't see my
| regular GP, still haven't been able to, but the doc I did see
| basically told me she thought it was vertigo and I needed to
| clean my ears. She checked my reflexes and some other things and
| said she could not recommend any further action without more
| events.
|
| I'm 6' broad shouldered, and 210lbs. A bit chubby. I don't
| exercise a ton, but do some exercise, especially when the dinner
| plate flairs up. I don't smoke.
|
| I've had a chest x-ray and it shows what looks like scarring in
| vascular structures radiating from my lungs. The forms kind of
| look on x-ray like the "ground glass nodules" that some people
| are experiencing. It's VERY hard to get a doctor that wants to do
| anything with me about this stuff. The fact that cardio makes
| things better and not worse is counter intuitive from traditional
| issues that look the same like Angina Pectoris. I've said since I
| recovered the first time (I've had it at least once more post
| vaccination but nothing was quite as near death as the first)
| that I felt cognitively and physically like I was 10 years older.
| I turn 40 next year. New research has been coming out showing
| that some people suffering from long COVID show aging of their CV
| systems of about 10 years.
|
| It is going to take a long time to figure out what Long Covid is
| really doing to people. Some people that never showed symptoms
| get these things. Children are showing it too. The diagnostic
| criteria is really difficult and there is almost no treatment
| aside from some success with similar treatments used for
| Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome[0]. I have found that
| most doctors don't want to touch it with a 200ft poll. The Read
| Cross says I should join an online support group [1].
|
| [0]
| https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.60682...
|
| [1]https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/03/31/after-
| covid-19-expe...
| someNameIG wrote:
| From the full text:
|
| > It has recently been reported that the incidence of myocarditis
| and pericarditis is increased in COVID-19 patients during the
| acute illness [12]. However; whether or not myocarditis and
| pericarditis after the recovery period are a part of the long
| COVID-19 syndrome is yet unknown. Herein, we studied the
| incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in a large cohort of
| COVID-19 patients after recovering from the acute infection.
|
| It's looking at myocarditis and pericarditis not in the acute
| phase, but post. And iirc there has been other papers showing
| there is an increased risk in a 12 month followup.
| baxtr wrote:
| You did not include the most relevant part of the paper's
| abstract:
|
| _> We did not observe an increased incidence of neither
| pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from
| COVID-19 infection._
| someNameIG wrote:
| I was more just pointing out that this was in the recovery
| phase, not during the acute infection. I've seen people use
| this paper as evidence that a covid infection does not
| increase the risk of CV incidents.
|
| And this seems to be an outlier anyway:
|
| > In conclusion, either symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-
| CoV-2 infection is associated with an increased risk for late
| CV outcomes and has a causal effect on all-cause mortality in
| a late post-COVID-19 period.
|
| https://www.ajconline.org/article/S0002-9149(22)00655-5/full.
| ..
|
| > In summary, using a national cohort of people with
| COVID-19, we show that risk and 12-month burden of incident
| cardiovascular disease are substantial and span several
| cardiovascular disease categories (ischemic and non-ischemic
| heart disease, dysrhythmias and others). The risks and
| burdens of cardiovascular disease were evident even among
| those whose acute COVID-19 did not necessitate
| hospitalization.
|
| https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3
|
| > The 12-month risk of incidental cardiovascular diseases is
| substantially higher in the COVID-19 survivors than the non-
| COVID-19 controls. Clinicians and patients with a history of
| COVID-19 should pay attention to their cardiovascular health
| in long term.
|
| https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5.
| ..
| rgrieselhuber wrote:
| > First, we censored cohort participants at the time of
| receiving the first dose of any COVID-19 vaccine. Second,
| we adjusted for vaccination as a time-varying covariate.
|
| What does this mean, specifically?
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