[HN Gopher] UK government set to extract hospital data to Palant...
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UK government set to extract hospital data to Palantir without
patient consent
Author : LinuxBender
Score : 78 points
Date : 2022-11-05 15:41 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.theregister.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.theregister.com)
| harryvederci wrote:
| These headlines are always about the UK, and then it turns out
| it's just England.
|
| Never mind, I don't know why I'm surprised by bad journalism
| anymore...
| oliwarner wrote:
| It's the UK Government pushing this. They manage NHS England
| directly.
|
| It's not inaccurate.
| nells wrote:
| I don't think anybody outside the UK knows of or cares about
| the difference.
| amluto wrote:
| This whole article is bizarre. Imagine an article saying "UK
| government set to extract hospital data to Excel without patient
| consent". Or "SQLite". Or "Amazon RDS". Or "Microsoft 365". Or
| "Google Sheets". Or "IBM".
|
| Palantir is, as far as I can tell, not a building full of giant
| disks and evil arch-villains trying to make billions of dollars
| by looking at your personal data. Nor is an advertising or data
| company (like Google or Meta or Equifax) trying to make billions
| of dollars off your personal data. It's a _software_ as SaaS
| company selling tools and a consultancy helping clients use them.
|
| So maybe someone here is up to no hood with someone's data, but
| this is not at all implied by anyone's mere use or Palantir.
| chatterhead wrote:
| Amazing what emergency powers and justification can allow you to
| circumvent.
|
| Also, why the hell does this matter other than to imply
| conspiratorial intent?
|
| >Palantir has provided technology used by the CIA and
| controversial US immigration agency ICE.
| mananaysiempre wrote:
| There is no particular need to _imply_ conspiratorial intent
| for a US-based company, especially a US-based government
| surveillance contractor, when the US government believes non-
| citizens do not have any right to privacy or even standing to
| sue over privacy violations (and apparently so does the wider
| US public to some extent, given how the Snowden headlines there
| took care to mention "spying _on US cizitens_ "). When a
| government explicitly and publicly gives itself the right to
| access foreigners' data stored by foreign (subsidiary)
| companies[1], you don't exactly have to take out your tinfoil
| hat before expecting it to access that data.
|
| However, I would normally read the quoted line as a piece of
| evidence concerning Palantir's general approach to ethics
| and/or the extent of their entanglement with the US executive,
| for those who haven't heard of the company before, not as a
| sneaky allegation of conspiracy.
|
| (Lest it sound like I'm dunking on the US, I don't think the
| government of the UK really needs emergency powers to do
| whatever the hell it wants to, including secretly granting
| intelligence agents immunity from inconvenient parts of the
| law[2],--there isn't really a separation of powers there except
| by tacit agreement, as far as I've been able to understand.)
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
|
| [2] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-
| news/2019/nov/05/mi5-policy-g...
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