[HN Gopher] YouTube channel with 100s of Apple WWDC videos taken...
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YouTube channel with 100s of Apple WWDC videos taken down
Author : tosh
Score : 78 points
Date : 2022-11-04 18:18 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (twitter.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com)
| Hamuko wrote:
| > _Wouldn't want anyone learning about Mac OS X, Darwin, Aqua, or
| WebObjects_
|
| I think Apple would rather have you learn about Mac OS X, Darwin,
| Aqua and WebObjects from their own development documentation.
| That's why a lot of the available developer documentation is from
| that era.
| gigel82 wrote:
| <conspiracy_hat> Some of those videos have comments related to
| Apple's commitment to respecting privacy and/or something to do
| with ads being bad ; now they want to "go in a different
| direction" and are doing a 1984. </conspiracy_hat>
| wilg wrote:
| Unfortunately, I don't think this is valid HTML. Sad!
| https://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-
| html5-20110525/syntax.html#:~:....
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| Must be ReactJS!
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| kzrdude wrote:
| <marquee>Killjoy</marquee>
| jwilk wrote:
| <hat type="conspiracy">...</hat> would work better.
| asdefghyk wrote:
| The person should just give a copy to the internet archive. They
| will preserve the information.
| dhritzkiv wrote:
| They said they are going to
| AJRF wrote:
| It seems like over the past 6 months there has been a change at
| Apple. They are consistently seeming more evil with each passing
| week. Any Apple employees here that can shed more light on org
| changes that are causing this?
| [deleted]
| amelius wrote:
| Regardless, it was always stupid to think that $MEGACORP would
| forever treat us, consumers and power users, the way they did
| in the beginning.
| Dig1t wrote:
| Care to share some examples? Apple seems the same to me..
| armchairhacker wrote:
| Does Apple have an official channel or website with these videos?
| If so this is more justified. If not, it's good the dev still has
| them.
|
| I don't understand why companies would want to erase their
| history, and I don't think it actually happens often (more like,
| people just forget history naturally). A company's history
| doesn't hurt their reputation unless it's particularly bad (like
| United Fruit). And Apple's history is _great_ : Steve Jobs may
| have been a dick, but Apple has produced amazing products and
| ignited trends like the personal computer and touchscreen phone.
| And despite what some people here say, I don't think they're
| getting much worse (see: Apple M1, iOS still way better than
| Android, my experience with macOS and other products is that they
| honestly work really well).
| scyzoryk_xyz wrote:
| I don't have a source, but I remember someone talking about how
| it's policy at Apple to scrub as much old ads and marketing
| materials from the internet as soon as they become outdated.
| Good luck finding that old iPhone 5s ad that makes that phone
| look really attractive - the point is for us to only want for
| the newest one. I'm not so sure that I agree - history is
| written, memory is subjective etc.
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| Meanwhile I can still download Windows 3.11 from Microsoft's
| MSDN Subscription Downloads site.
|
| It's still useful too: https://hackaday.com/2019/12/23/slack-
| now-on-windows-3-1/
|
| ---------
|
| ...though Windows 95, 98, ME, NT4, and 2000, and the original
| release of Visual Studio 6, are all absent because of the Sun
| lawsuit, which prohibited _all_ distribution of Microsoft
| software that contained Microsoft 's opinionated Java VM -
| and all "J++" tooling. This even extends internally: when I
| was working at Microsoft I had to get special-clearance to
| have an admin-asssistant get me Windows 2000 burned to a CD-R
| so I could run Windows 2000 just so I could take screenshots
| of an obscure Office 2000 product for a presentation for a
| meeting that got cancelled. It would have been quicker just
| to RDP in to my home VM server and booted off my own pirated
| Windows 2000 ISOs lol.
| mrpippy wrote:
| No, these videos were only available on CDs or DVDs sold
| through Apple's developer programs in the 90s/2000s.
| [deleted]
| johndfsgdgdfg wrote:
| Everyone should move to Twitch and make it a proper alternative
| to Youtube. I trust Amazon way more than an ad company like
| Google.
| rektide wrote:
| Last month I was interested in WebOjects & went back & watched
| Jobs present on it. That kind of history being lost to society,
| obliterating how time has moved & passed on, is anti-
| civilization.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| Jason Snell: "Apple historians only do stuff like this because
| Apple has no sense of its own history."
|
| https://twitter.com/jsnell/status/1588601907928436740
| CharlesW wrote:
| Apple has historians and extensive private archives, so it sure
| seems like they do.
|
| I'm curious what this person expected would happen when they
| distributed Apple IP via a Google property.
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| I highly recommend you read this:
| https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/22/technology/steve-jobs-
| arc... (archive: https://archive.ph/I9HFD)
|
| The way Apple runs their closed archives and what they task
| their historians with is highly "not-unbiased," to say the
| least.
|
| EDIT: missing an "un" in front of biased to really drive that
| double-negative home.
| vasco wrote:
| Not being biased is great!
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| Sorry, typo!
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| Private archives serve little purpose, by their nature
| they're closed, and never go public. They just sit there
| collecting dust until they're accidentally trashed or
| destroyed in a natural disaster
| (https://www.infodocket.com/2017/10/30/report-hewlett-
| packard...).
|
| Maybe someone at the company pulls one or two faded
| photographs from them to make some PR puff piece for the
| company's 50th or 100th birthday. But that's about it.
| LocalH wrote:
| Private archives are useless, and contrary to the public
| nature of copyright's actual endgame. This presumes that the
| company will 100% preserve their history, and many don't. It
| should not be illegal for individuals to preserve culture
| under some misguided idea of copyright as rent-seeking.
| [deleted]
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _It should not be illegal for individuals to preserve
| culture..._
|
| My understanding is that the illegal bit wasn't the
| preservation, but the re-distribution (of copyrighted
| material without a license or permission) and monetization.
| slyall wrote:
| So they have to wait till the stuff is out of copyright
| to distribute it?
|
| You do understand thats 100 years into the future right?
| aaron_m04 wrote:
| What's the point of preserving something if nobody can
| see it?
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| Unauthorized copies outside the protections of fair use
| are still a violation. The damages are just lesser if you
| don't distribute and generally not worth litigating.
| [deleted]
| chrisseaton wrote:
| 'Sense of history' doesn't mean you don't not understand a
| copyright violation.
| criddell wrote:
| Copyright I get, but triple negatives still take me a few
| seconds to unroll.
| [deleted]
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| I think we all understand - very well - exactly what happened
| here. Apple has a law firm that scours the internet looking
| for Apple IP being used improperly. Unfortunately, they
| didn't think to carve out exceptions for fans and historians,
| so things like this get taken down as collateral damage in a
| war on actual IP theft.
|
| Ideally Apple would re-release all of this old footage with a
| permissive license, but the bureaucratic red tape at a large
| organization is probably immense (not to mention the fact
| that they'd have to scan it all to make sure they aren't
| using any 3rd party IP, such as music as Steve Jobs walks on
| stage, opening Apple up to lawsuits).
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