[HN Gopher] Musicians, writers and scholars on Ornette Coleman
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Musicians, writers and scholars on Ornette Coleman
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 45 points
Date : 2022-11-02 22:21 UTC (2 days ago)
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| cf100clunk wrote:
| One of the rare jazz devotees of the Grafton:
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| https://wikiless.org/wiki/Grafton_saxophone?lang=en
| mtts wrote:
| Rare how? Charlie Parker famously used it on Jazz at Massey
| Hall
| cf100clunk wrote:
| That's two major jazz saxophonists. That's rare, in my book.
| [deleted]
| JasonFruit wrote:
| Doesn't sound like he was _that_ devoted to it: he bought it
| because it was cheap, and later moved to a white-lacquered
| Selmer that looked similar but played better.
| noman-land wrote:
| Love his work. The Shape Of Jazz To Come is so good.
|
| Free Jazz is a crazy album. Especially when listened to with
| headphones. Each stereo channel has a distinct quintet playing.
| Challenging listen for sure.
| [deleted]
| ugh123 wrote:
| Been listening to this all day. This style of jazz may be my new
| go-to listening music.
| [deleted]
| zabzonk wrote:
| famously, kingsley amis and philip larkin couldn't stand him -
| they were not mad about coltrane or davis either) - in the case
| of coleman, i tend to agree.
| freejazz wrote:
| Sounds more like they just didn't like Jazz!
| zabzonk wrote:
| larkin was a famous and influential writer on the subject
| zeruch wrote:
| I always found his harmolodic concepts interesting, if delivered
| unevenly. I feel like some of his proteges did a better job
| implementing the ideas that Ornette did sometimes (e.g. Ronald
| Shannon Jackson's Decoding Society, or some of Jamaaladeen
| Tacumas stuff) but in general Ornette was brilliant and
| interesting.
|
| True story digression: went to an Ornette concert with my Missus
| at the time, and a pair of friends. One of them disappears right
| before the show from a cigarette break. After the show we find
| her and ask where she went...she had run into Tom Waits out
| front, who bummed a light from her and as a reward asked if she
| wanted to sit with his family in their box seats. Who would say
| no to that offer?
| whiddershins wrote:
| A lot of people don't realize that opinions about Ornette Coleman
| are often tied to how a person reacts to irregular tuning.
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| Some people find deliberately 'off pitch' notes stimulating, some
| people find them unlistenable. Like fingernails on the
| chalkboard.
| noman-land wrote:
| This is quite true but I like to think that the stimulating
| feeling can be learned.
| [deleted]
| pohl wrote:
| The headline is "5 Minutes That Will Make You Love Ornette
| Coleman".
| SevenNation wrote:
| Why does HN monkey with titles like this?
| dang wrote:
| The alternative is for HN to be dominated by clickbait, which
| would make for a completely different site.
|
| The title editing system (software and mods) works well
| except when it doesn't. The cases where it works well are
| priced in--they aren't noticeable and everyone takes them for
| granted. The cases where it doesn't work do get noticed, and
| often amplified. It's understandable! but skewed. If you
| weight the pros of a system at 0% and the cons at 100%, it
| ends up looking inexplicably terrible.
|
| Incidentally, the fix for the OP is not to add the magic
| number back--it's to rewrite the title so it's not clickbait
| to begin with. That's in the site guidelines:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: " _Please
| use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait_
| " (I've done that now.)
| mortenjorck wrote:
| HN's headline style auto-formatter is getting weirder. Are all
| leading numbers removed now? Would "3,700 expected to be laid
| off from Twitter" become "expected to be laid off from
| Twitter"?
|
| I appreciate the intent of this algorithm, but I'm not
| convinced it's still fulfilling its original purpose.
| Jtsummers wrote:
| This isn't "getting weirder", this has been the case for
| close to a decade if not more. HN has long removed the
| numbers. The good news is that the submitter has time (though
| in this case I think it's expired) to edit headlines for
| submissions, I think it's the same time window as comment
| editing, 1.5-2 hours. When you submit a headline and it's
| altered by HN in a meaningful way, you can change it back to
| the original.
| tpmoney wrote:
| I wonder if it's just programmed to look for clickbait
| listicle numbers like
|
| 5 secrets your doctor doesn't want you to know
|
| 10 ways to grow muscle without exercising
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| And that sort of thing. Maybe it's even just looking for any
| leading number under 15 or something like that. I'd expect
| out of any random assortment of modern day headlines, most
| that start with a low number are clickbait nonsense, where
| something that starts with a number in the hundreds or
| thousands is likely to be a real article
| ilikeitdark wrote:
| One of my all time favorites and an inspiration, as I'm a
| musician too. Push boundaries and break stuff.
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