[HN Gopher] The U.S. Diesel Shortage Is Worsening
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The U.S. Diesel Shortage Is Worsening
Author : indigodaddy
Score : 34 points
Date : 2022-11-01 19:59 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| pcurve wrote:
| Cost of diesel in the US is hilariously out of control. It's far
| cheaper to drive gasoline
| Ancapistani wrote:
| Tell me about it. My spouse's vehicle was down for the past two
| months, and they've been driving an F350 Super Duty. It was
| >$175 to fill up.
| [deleted]
| bamboozled wrote:
| I'll get hammered for this, but why do people own cars like
| that, why on earth would people need a F350 super duty ? What
| practical purpose would it serve ?
|
| The climate is breaking down and people are cruising around
| in trucks like that? I don't know...
| fragmede wrote:
| Acual farm usage. off-road moving of landscaping materials
| and tools. pulling horse or sheep or pig trailers. or
| boats. there are actual legitimate reasons to own such a
| beast but of course not everyone that owns it uses it for
| that purpose so accusations that the user "doesn't really
| need one" are rife. but that's capitalism for ya.
| reustle wrote:
| I grew up in a pretty rural part of the US and while
| those use cases were absolutely common for a decent
| percentage of large truck owners, they only used them for
| those purposes about 5-10% of the time. The more
| reasonable folks had a small simple car for their daily
| driver, and weren't worried about using their big truck
| as a status symbol.
| lob_it wrote:
| Instead of accelerating a recession, perhaps more resources will
| be dedicated to biofuels to keep industry and vehicles powered
| for decades to come.
|
| Many industries are "beyond a crisis", which makes many of the
| shortfalls in supply/production/service quality, just a lingering
| fact that was omnipresent prepandemic and even pre-21st century.
| cinntaile wrote:
| I wonder how this will impact the average car size? I would
| expect to see fewer big pickup trucks being used by people that
| don't need them in the near future?
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| Given how polluting diesel is, this could be a good thing long
| term. So much of our commercial transportation is dependent on it
| though, so this is a major pain point short term.
| SigmundA wrote:
| Diesel is more efficient than gas as far as MPG, so CO2 is
| actually less per mile, NOx and particulates should be
| equivalent on a modern diesel with DPF and DEF SCR.
| zug_zug wrote:
| Doesn't pass the smell test - I can smell diesel exhaust from
| at least 100 feet away (maybe 10x as pungent as non-diesel),
| has to be something I'm smelling
| bamboozled wrote:
| Have you seen the price of regular fuel? It's not much better.
| iszomer wrote:
| It's even more unfortunate when diesel is still being used as
| fuel for some homes for heating.
| serf wrote:
| it'll be interesting to see the short-term market shortages
| caused by it.
|
| I have a few acquaintances that are ripping diesel motors out
| of their boats due to the cost of operation and going electric
| -- problem is that many of the motor controllers used are back
| ordered due to the supply issues that are all over the
| transistor/electronics markets already that haven't been
| remediated.
|
| well, at least battery prices are dropping with the market
| volumes.
| prescriptivist wrote:
| It's more than transportation. "Heating oil" is basically
| diesel and is affected by these prices. Winter is about to hit
| the Northeast and many people still heat with it. To fill up my
| tank today would be around $1200 and I will be expecting to
| refill it every 40-60 days for the next six months.
| [deleted]
| bamboozled wrote:
| Nothing makes sense anymore, I read that Exxon mobile made record
| profits this year. How?
|
| We've messed ourselves up so hard relying on oil companies the
| way we do, how's it's the peasants that are paying for endless
| price gouging.
| finiteseries wrote:
| By maxing out supply amid unending demand, they have a terrific
| product/market fit.
|
| https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_unc_dcu_nus_m.htm
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
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| Here's a map of the places that create diesel from crude oil.
| Note the north & south east where these shortages are
| occurring, and limited to.
|
| https://atlas.eia.gov/datasets/6547eda91ef84cc386e23397cf834...
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| It has been 45 years since a >200,000 barrel per day refinery
| was built in the US.
|
| 1998-2015 saw 0 upgrades to existing capacity or new builds.
| Since 2015, a handful of <50,000 barrel per day refineries have
| been built, but every single one is in Texas.
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